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[darthoptimus003]

its doomed thanks to the ending of me3 so unless the ending get fixed then whats the point of a me4
also u cant have mass effect without shep so yeah it was screwed before it began
right now i wouldnt trust 2 of the people at bw to wash my car let alone a new me game

[ElSuperGecko]

/facepalm....

[spockjedi]

Marauder Shields should be canon ending.

[Madolin]

Archonsg wrote...

spockjedi wrote...

ME4 is always a no-win scenario. If it's sequel, the problem you described will happen. If it's a prequel, everbody will know that the Reapers are dumb dolls of a crazy child.
That's why Bioware should finish all the DLCs they still want to produce for ME3, and then leave the franchise buried for at least 10 years. After that, they should reboot the series, starting with a remake of ME1, more or less like Tomb Raider.
This is the only promising future I can imagine for the franchise.

+1

ME as a series is essentially doomed by ME3's ending.
Then, you have the stigma of the afore mentioned ending. Even non-gaming friends have heard of ME3 and even without having played the game, had the impression that the game sucked. A view that that I corrected, so that they understood that only the ending sucked.

ME, the series, need a reboot.
It needs time to allow for not just players to let it ho, but for new gamers to discover the world it is set in.
It needs all its plots relooked and re-written. This time with the hindsight and knowledge of the issues and plot holes present in the current seies.

Most of all, ME the seies need to be written, especially ME3, with the perspective that it is a game with multiple possible endings that should cover a gamut of choices *made by the player*. Not as a book or movie where player choice is taken out of his hands and the player's role change from active participant to passive audience to witness the character he (or she) had played with over the years be replaced by a version they no longer recognize.

ME4 if released in the near future (2-4 years) would be in my opinion too soon. Too much bad feelings attached to ME3 to make a "4" moniker work.

Mass Effect : Reboot, however would imply change and improvement over something we All, regardless of pro or anti ME3 enders, love.

And that might work.
ME4, not so.

 I like the idea of a reboot ( or AU), but this time the story begins at the start of the first contact war... 
Fun idea at least.
TBH, I am actually kinda afraid to see what Bioware is going to come up with for ME4.

[paul165]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Unfortunately they already alienated KoToR fans by making lightside Revan canon for The Old Republic. Unforgivable.

Lightside! Male! Bastilla romancing! Moron! Revan at that. Then they make a version of KoToR II canon isn't acheivable in game (female char with a companion you only recruit as a male). Still make the Exile a moron though so at least that's consistent with one.

[36812180234]

someguy1231 wrote...

Because if the events of the next Mass Effect are set after Mass Effect 3, then Bioware will be forced to make one of two decisions which most of the fanbase won't like:

1. Canonize an ending.
2. Make the ending temporary, trivial, or otherwise insignificant.

I've already said before that the only way to make ME3's ending really matter in ME4 is to effectively make an entire game for each ending, and no studio has the resources or ability to do that. Everyone here who wants a sequel needs to really think about what the implications would be.

Absolutely  no. It is easy to canonize a single ending - release just another pack which will show how the other endings are wrong. I would suggest sticking with destroy, since other endings make no sense. (OK, as a compromise Bioware may make one mission for the lovers of synthesis, in which you can play as a husk (joke)Absolutely

[anillee]

As interesting as a reboot sounds, word on the street is that ME 4 is already underway, so we can confirm it as not a possibility.

I just don't see how a prequel could be mass-marketed, especially considering it's a BioWare game, considering that there already is established pre-ME 1 canon in the form of comics and also books by Drew K. Someone mentioned Halo Reach as an example of a good prequel, but from my understanding, it received a luke-warm reception from fans story-wise (which we have to use as a comparison because BioWare's bread and butter is story) because Reach contradicted established canon and 343 went along with Halo's established canon for Halo 4.

If ME 4 went the prequel route, it'd either:

A) Have to ignore established canon (a la Reach).  Can you hear the angry mobs gathering already?

or

Adhere to the canon, which would limit the choices, which would limit the story and the appeal for many because choices is what BioWare always touted.

Unless they do something like go far, far back but then it'd have to be prior to the First Contact War and as much as some of us would love to play as another race..you know that's not going to bring in the numbers as having a human protagonist (or at least option) would and hey, people have to eat.

Modifié par anillee, 16 novembre 2012 - 04:09 .

[paul165]

Bourne Endeavor wrote...

If you read between the lines, BioWare already foreshadowed Synthesis as the de facto canon ending. Do you not recall the Catalyst citing it as inevitable, indirectly rendering your choice meaningless by its perspective? Synthesis is also easily implemented because they can shrug off the breath scene by either confirming Shepard's death or moving the setting forward a century or two.

Were I to hazard a guess, their story will raise as some Synthesis conflict, perhaps even an organization that finds the process immoral and unjust and we must stop them.

I think they stated it more directly in twitter as well. Still makes for a stupid basis for any future game though - especially is synthesis appears to be a distinctly minority pick amoungst the people who played ME3.

If we have to fight the organisation wishing to stop synthesis - I wonder how many people will **** about not being able to join them?

[N7KnightSabre]

grey_wind wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

A prequel would only suck because the few cool stories there were (like TIM origin) were squandered in crap comic books.

They could honestly declare that ME: Evolution isn't canon and I doubt anybody would care. There's so much potential in TIM's backstory, and to see it all wasted because SuperMac did such a bang-up job with the comics is just sad.


I even made a thread about this once:
http://social.biowar.../index/14773184

Thanks for posting that thread.  It was an interesting read and I do think a prequel could work.  I doesn't have to be about just one thing like the Illusive Man's origins but could combine a few things (like the first contact war then forward it a few years, watch humanity trying to fit in with the rest of the galaxy)  I think it would be cool to run into some of the characters from the first three games (can easily be done in a sequel), like having Nihlus as part of your team or something.  I like the idea of being someone who may have helped the Illusive Man in the beginning and then choose not to later as one of the choices. 

[brian t]

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Personally, I don't want another Mass Effect because i don't think they can produce a sequel that doesn't alienate part of the fanbase or make previous choice meaningless.

If they can find a way to incorporate the decisions so that they weren't ultimately pointless without pigeon holing players, I'm in.

No matter what they do not everyone will be happy with the next game even if it is the greatest game ever.

[Fedi.St]

someguy1231 wrote...

Because if the events of the next Mass Effect are set after Mass Effect 3, then Bioware will be forced to make one of two decisions which most of the fanbase won't like:

1. Canonize an ending.
2. Make the ending temporary, trivial, or otherwise insignificant.

I've already said before that the only way to make ME3's ending really matter in ME4 is to effectively make an entire game for each ending, and no studio has the resources or ability to do that. Everyone here who wants a sequel needs to really think about what the implications would be.

seriously? I HAVE NO PROBLEM with number 2 . NONE AT ALL.

[KingZayd]

I'm all in favour of 2.

[UrgentArchengel]

A sequel is better then a prequel, but yeah, those are pretty much the biggest problems with having a sequel. Still, I rather have my choice matter then not.

[MinatheBrat]

Nykara wrote...

I think most people underestimate just how easy it would be to continue the story based off any of the three endings. If the next game has it's own story there would only even need to be a mention of it and that is all. Maybe slightly different graphics for the characters for those who chose synth as the ending but even that isn't totally necessary. With all three endings the Reapers are effectively out of the way and the next 'big bad' would be the main focus of a new game.

This. Exactly.
The Reapers are gone- either dead, doing their own thing, or  "not interfearing" and life in the Galaxy goes on pretty much as it did before except minus the 50k year cycle of extinction. yay. 
Put it in the future, ME4 can have its own story and heroes and villians.
Destroy ending can have had the Quarians help reboot the Geth. Synthesis ending can have that green graphic overlay. Tada. Done.

[Archonsg]

Ah yes, Synthesis. The ending that prompted someone to advocate eugenics and that the Holocaust was a good idea in view of obtaining a singular pure race.

Thank you but no.
Synthesis is just wrong.

[Mathias]

If ME4 is a prequel, they could not kill my interest faster than that.

[M Hedonist]

Wrong. Whatever Bioware does, ME4 will sell, as long as it has Multiplayer.

Really, the only one who's in a no-win situation is the core fanbase. You know, the one that has been referred to as "toxic" by one particular community manager?
*sigh*

Modifié par Sauruz, 16 novembre 2012 - 06:23 .

[Archonsg]

Sauruz wrote...

Wrong. Whatever Bioware does, ME4 will sell, as long as it has Multiplayer.

Really, the only one who's in a no-win situation is the core fanbase. You know, the one that has been referred to as "toxic" by one particular community manager?
*sigh*

oh I don't know, I am one of those who did put in a crazy amount of time into MP, still do, but I won't be buying ME4 just for the MP.

if I wanted an MP RPG, I have Guild Wars 2 (awesome game btw, without the fracking monthly sub) Mass Effect was supposed to be SP, with MP as an add on. Though judging from my MP experience, MP got the favored chikd treatment, while SP gets beaten with the dirty ugly stick.

Seriously, do we really need another COD / Battlefield in space?

[Applepie_Svk]

There is no win situation...

Prequel ? Are you serious ...

What fall of prothean empire... We have worst endings in our cycle... uh uh

Or some conflict which outcome we already know ? rly ?

Midquel ?

I don´t want to see some pro-human so called hero similiar to Vega or ... dunno Dia Hard... to see endings again ...

Sequel ?

They can´t make direct sequel from that mess which we can call endings of ME3, unless they either pick canon or IT was true after all...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 16 novembre 2012 - 06:47 .

[clarkusdarkus]

Well it will be a generic shooter similar to gears of war, how anyone cannot see the downward slide in quality from there last 3 games and still expect them to make an epic game is beyond me.I'm an RPG gamer first & foremost, yes i play shooters etc like the rest of the gaming world, but ME3 didn't cater to my RPG needs so i very much doubt ME4 will, and for that i'll treat it like the shooter genre......rent or ignore completly.......i did the same to square-enix with there FF series after being a diehard fan...i see similar trends now with bioware in mediocre products catering to a different audience.

Modifié par clarkusdarkus, 16 novembre 2012 - 07:11 .

[Kalo Windu]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

Unfortunately they already alienated KoToR fans by making lightside Revan canon for The Old Republic. Unforgivable.

"Unfortunately they already alienated KoToR fans by making The Old Republic. Unforgivable."

That's what you were trying to say.



"TOR is KOTOR 3-11". Yeah, just...

[froot of the loom]

some games need a canon ending to continue the story. does the fact that skyrim states that someone stopped the oblivion gates from opening betray the guy who had a character who chose not to do anything about the oblivion gates?

[Robhuzz]

SNascimento wrote...

The problem is, anything that is not a sequel would suck.

This. But since making a sequel and canonizing one of the endings (might even be synthesis since bioware seems to like that one...somehow) only means you need to take a dump on the fans once more, I'm sure bioware won't mind.

Unfortunately they already alienated KoToR fans by making lightside Revan canon for The Old Republic. Unforgivable.

Revan had been canonized as male light side before TOR was even released. Same deal with the jedi exile from kotor 2.

Modifié par Robhuzz, 16 novembre 2012 - 08:13 .

[DDG4005]

I'll reserve final judgment until the game ships.

[Dr_Extrem]

it does not matter what they do .. they will ****** people off.

while i dislike prequels or spinoffs, it is the only logical consequence to make one of them. the endings suck - especially, when it comes to sequels. if they have a plan to make an addon or "arrival" dlc, they might change the outlook but thats a great task.

my guess is, that they will make a spinoff or prequel first ... limited story but lots of action. then they will realise, that shepard or a good prequel are missing a good starting point after me3. so something will happen - they have plans for making a movie right? ...


the situation is very complicated. canonising may be the easiest option - but by far the most disappointing - it would ****** of almost everybody.