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[Zafireria]

Ok, I am pretty new, so I am very sorry if this is the wrong part of the forum I am posting.
Please bare with me.

Ok here is the story so far.
I am a female mage elf and I have romanced with Alistair (100+ in realtionship, if you call it that) pretty early in the story. And I invited him in the tent, I didn't know he would ask if you waited (read on the net that he would)  
I did that after I went to visit his sister (from his personal quest) I have even had the conversation with him, if there were any future for us (the grey warden children thingy) I replied "I will not give up that easily" or something along the lines with that.

Ok with the background information in place, here is my question.
I have read so many thing about the ending, that Alistair either dies, or he breaks up with you, or you die.
So I wanted to know, is it even possible to live with him after the game is over in a relationship with him? Or is that just impossible?

Further notes:
Morrigan has not yet asked Alistair about the bed/ritual thing. 
I am not at the final battle yet, far from it I believe. 
I am not sure if I am at The Landsmeet, I don't see the quest and I haven't meet Anora, I have only seen her in a cut-scene. So I suppose I am not on it yet. 


So any good news for me  about the romance?  
 


 

Modifié par Zafireria, 03 janvier 2010 - 07:34 .

[aznsoisauce]

Two possible endings where you live with Alistair:

-He becomes king (can either marry Anora or rule alone), you become his consort

-Anora is queen and rules alone, Alistair follows you to rebuild the Grey Wardens

[Zafireria]

I like the last one, how to I make sure that will happen in my game?

Just tell Anora to rule alone?

[aznsoisauce]

A few things:

Tell Anora you will support her.

Tell Alistair you will support Anora (he only gets mad if you hardened him after meeting Goldanna).

Support Anora at the Landsmeet.

When Morrigan proposes her plan, follow through with it.



...I would have preferred this ending as well, but I don't want to replay the last 5 or so hours of the game.

[aznsoisauce]

Oh, and of course...don't suggest marrying Alistair to Anora.

[Zafireria]

Tell Alistair you will support Anora (he only gets mad if you hardened him after meeting Goldanna).

Hardened as in, I invite him in my tent?

[Catwall]

Zafireria wrote...

Tell Alistair you will support Anora (he only gets mad if you hardened him after meeting Goldanna).

Hardened as in, I invite him in my tent?

Hehe, no- after meeting Goldanna in Denerim, you and Al had a talk about what happened, correct? The option to tell Al that "People are only out for themselves. You should remember that" (paraphrasing), should have come up. Choosing that conversation option sets up Alistair to be "hardened", as in more cynical and willing to put his own feelings first.

A later conversation in camp gives you the opportunity to discourage that personality shift "No, I didn't mean it like that", or something to that effect.

[Star]

I know, awful pun.  In this case, it means getting him to think/take care of himself.  So the first time he talks with you after meeting Goldanna (after you've walked out the door) choose the dialogue option that says "Everyone is out for themselves.  You should learn that."  Then later when you talk about it again (and you will) as long as you don't choose the dialogue option: "That's not what I meant. Don't do that!" he will be "hardened."

Interestingly enough in my elf rogue game, I had the option when choosing at Landsmeet to tell him to take the throne and that I would be his chancellor.  I didn't choose that one because I intentionally hadn't hardenend him but planned to keep him and my PC as Grey Wardens.  I actually like the "stay Grey Wardens" ending better than most of the others.  But then I'm not a "marriage is the only happy ending" kinda person....

[Zafireria]

Ok confused here lol.

To be honest I don't remember what I chose, I remember the line "Everyone is out for themselves. You should learn that." If I could find the entire dialog and all the answered you could chose from, I am sure I can remember. 
But since I had no luck of finding that, I guess I just have to hope that I didn't answered like that. Spite that line seems oddly familiar. 

Ok here is the confusion parts:
 
1. If I did choose that line, he is "hardened" right?

2.  "Everyone is out for themselves" and  "That's not what I meant. Don't do that!" Does those two lines makes him hardened or is it only if I choose the "That's not what I meant. Don't do that!" that makes him hardened?

3. if I did not choose that line(s), he will not get mad when I say I support Anora, right?

4.

When Morrigan proposes her plan, follow through with it.

 
What plan? 

5. If it turns out that I have 'hardened' him, and he gets mad. Does he leave me or do I just get like 40- approval?

6. I have read on the net that after you slay Loghain, you talk to Alistair and get the dialog "What should I do?" and he, himself will say "Make Anora queen" and then he won't be mad, hardened or not. Is that true if you know or?

[Catwall]

You must choose the "Everyone is out for themselves" line, and then must NOT choose the "That's not what I meant" for Alistair to become hardened. Choose any other line in that second conversation to ensure that Al becomes "hardened".

[Zafireria]

leafstray: Ok thanks.



Question 1 and 2 has been answered. Still need the other to be answered, please.

[jmp0505]

3. If you did not harden him (*snerk*) and you tell him you are supporting Anora, and then do choose Anora to rule alone at the landsmeet, he's fine with that.
4. Major plot development - trust me, you will know it when it happens. Morrigan will trigger a very interesting conversation  - make sure you don't blow her off.
5. Not really sure, I think he gets a bit pissy about not being King or something, but I have never gone that particular route. Maybe keep a few gifts in reserve (or talk to Riordan about the Gray Warden's vault or something.)
6. There are a number of different dialog options. Honestly, he can be a bit wishy washy about being king (unless, presumably you did harden his outlook), but basically - if he's the sweet, adorkable Alistair we all know and love, he'll be okay with not being king.

Modifié par jmp0505, 03 janvier 2010 - 10:33 .

[Zafireria]

jmp0505: Thank you, tho I wished a more clear answer on number 5 tho. But thanks



But anyways I am far beyond the Hardened part, so even if I wished to change it, I can't.

I am pretty sure I didn't hardened him, he doesn't seemed changed to me (if you can see the difference tho) Plus I looked the word 'hardened' up and looked the wiki dragon age page. Which explained the term more.

All in all I just Really hope that he is not hardened. But I will be sure to make many different saves throughout the game, just in case I need to change something. And if he is. Ah well he will just have to suck it up, because he is coming with me!!!! xD



One very last question, is it even possible for a Elf Mage (with Master Coercion) to marry him and

become his queen? Or human only?

[Zafireria]

Oh, one more thing. I have to accept Morrigan offer, or I won't be with Alistair in the end right?

[Daramones]

He won't marry anyone but a human female noble. Even if you max coersion. If you harden him and your an elf or dwarf you can be his mistress if you make him king.

If you don't accept morrigan's offer,either you or alistair will sacrifice yourselves killing the archdemon.

[Daramones]

number 5 if you harden alistair and tell him you support anora to be queen over him... he will get mad and youll lose some happiness I cant remember it wasnt a lot..I think 10 or so.

Just don't tell him. If he isn't hardened...when you tell him..he is relieved.

[Zafireria]

Bugger, thanks tho.



One more question and I will leave you all alone <.<



How you choose to slay Loghain (either you doing it or Alistair) will that have any affect at all on the ending?

[Zafireria]

Daramones wrote...

number 5 if you harden alistair and tell him you support anora to be queen over him... he will get mad and youll lose some happiness I cant remember it wasnt a lot..I think 10 or so.
Just don't tell him. If he isn't hardened...when you tell him..he is relieved.

If he is hardened and I tell him that I support Anora to rule alone, he will be mad, but I might only loss little approval, right?

If so, what do you mean by "Just don't tell him" If I don't tell him that I support Anora, he will become king, and I won't be with him  

[Daramones]

If Alistair is hardened and you let him duel loghain you don't get an option to pick who is king, Alistair simply accepts being king after he slays him.

If you duel him yourself and Alistair isn't hardened, you pick who rules and whether or not to kill loghain outright.

Ive never dueled loghain myself after Alistair has been hardened. So I don't know. I just love the duel scene between Loghain and Alistair too much to bother. I sort of feel its his moment...let him prove himself.

[jmp0505]

Just don't tell him, means "just avoid that conversation option". If you are anything but a human female noble, no queen-ship, (Unless you added a mod to the game.) And yes, you have to accept Morrigan's offer if you want both of you to be alive at the end of the game.

Who kills Loghain does not really affect the ending you are going for. It would affect it if you were trying to marry off Alistair and Anora, which... you aren't.

@daramones - I agree - I find it completely satisfactory to let Alistair have that battle, regardless of what my character's "relationship" is with him.  

Modifié par jmp0505, 03 janvier 2010 - 11:26 .

[Zafireria]

I do see that it is his battle, but if he is hardened (which I don't know if he is) and he slays him, he will be king, and he won't be with my character.

If I slay him, I get to choose if Alistair becomes king or not. And I think I will go for the "No king for you mister you already got to bed another girl" no matter if he is hardened or not.

If he is not hardened, he can have his battle, and my character would still get to be with him.

But again, there is still a long time before that happens, so I can end up changing my mind. I might even save before slaying Loghain and again before the final battle, just too see the different endings.

Modifié par Zafireria, 03 janvier 2010 - 11:37 .

[Chasseresse]

Daramones wrote...

He won't marry anyone but a human female noble. Even if you max coersion. If you harden him and your an elf or dwarf you can be his mistress if you make him king.

Hm... so if you are NOT a female human noble, at the end you're basically his "thing on the side", at best? Oh my female human mage is SO going to not do Morrigan's little ritual and we'll see him sacrifice himself (I made the mistake of hardening him, hm... do I really want to go back and replay half the game? bah).

[Daramones]

If he is hardened and king you stay with him as his mistress.(he picks his feelings over duty)



if he is not hardened and king he breaks up with you. (he picks his duty over his feelings)



If he is NOT hardened and NOT king he is happy enough to not be king and stays with you as a lover.



If he is hardened and not king I don't know what happens Ive never done it. I can't imagine its good. He mentions a couple of times that hes coming around to the idea of being king after you harden him.



The easiest way to tell which you picked is to speak with anora before the landsmeet tell her you support her, make a separate save go see alistair in the room with arl eamon and tell him you decided to support anora. If he says that he is relieved..then he is NOT hardened. If he tells you he is not happy, then you have hardened him.

[Daramones]

Chasseresse wrote...

Daramones wrote...

He won't marry anyone but a human female noble. Even if you max coersion. If you harden him and your an elf or dwarf you can be his mistress if you make him king.

Hm... so if you are NOT a female human noble, at the end you're basically his "thing on the side", at best? Oh my female human mage is SO going to not do Morrigan's little ritual and we'll see him sacrifice himself (I made the mistake of hardening him, hm... do I really want to go back and replay half the game? bah).

oh yup, I picked elven mage and he sacrificed himself and I thought Id be good with it...but...I wasn't... I was surprised that I was very happy to be his mistress as my dwarf rogue. because I got this feeling that he marries Anora..and he would spend all his nights with me anyway.

[Zafireria]

Daramones wrote...

1. If he is hardened and king you stay with him as his mistress.(he picks his feelings over duty)

2. If he is NOT hardened and NOT king he is happy enough to not be king and stays with you as a lover.

If he is hardened and not king I don't know what happens Ive never done it. I can't imagine its good. He mentions a couple of times that hes coming around to the idea of being king after you harden him.

The easiest way to tell which you picked is to speak with anora before the landsmeet tell her you support her, make a separate save go see alistair in the room with arl eamon and tell him you decided to support anora. If he says that he is relieved..then he is NOT hardened. If he tells you he is not happy, then you have hardened him.

Number 1 doesn't sound that bad as I first thought, tho I rather want number 2.  
I think I might let him be king and his mistress if he turns out to be hardened. Else I go for number 2. 
If I pick number 1 do I have to make him marry Anora?

In my game Arl Eamon is still poisoned, I haven't gotten the urn yet. Plus my character doesn't know Anora, nor does it seems like I can get to her.
So I can ask her just yet, and you have to support her before the landsmeet? Aka before you get the quest or before you start it?

Modifié par Zafireria, 04 janvier 2010 - 12:00 .