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[frylock23]

I've dueled Loghain both with hardened and unhardened Alistair. I'd really like to let him have the fight, but I have problems winning with him. In the end, you can still let Ali execute Loghain (or do it yourself). I'm told the only effect that has is if you set up Ali with Anora. If Ali executes Loghain, Anora won't marry him supposedly, but I haven't actually played that angle to find out.



You will get to choose who takes the throne after defeating Loghain if you do it. I still have yet to put Anora on the throne as I personally distrust her motives for wanting it, and her method of "proving" her fitness in the interview is too much like modern politics - don't reveal what you actually intend to do, just bash the other guy.



If you hardened Ali, he steps up and immediately starts acting like a king with little prompting from you. If you didn't harden him, he comes off like a fish out of water and it seems much more like you're guiding him.



Personally, on the playthrough where I didn't harden him and put him on the throne. My female human mage decided to choose her duty over love just like Ali. She left him at the gates and sacrificed herself - So THERE! In the end it worked well for the mages though. I'm wondering if there are similar benefits should I do that with an elf.

[Chasseresse]

This probably sounds silly, but I'm on my third play through and the idea of him marrying Anora just makes me mad, even if he can't/won't marry my character. This is where I prove I'm too into this game, lol, and my personal feelings of mistrust and just general dislike influence things. Like, I'd rather him marry anyone! over her or he just doesn't marry at all.

[Zafireria]

frylock23: Didn't answered much lol, plus the question I asked hasn't been answered.



Also I came to think off, if you say no to Morrigan, but either place Alistair at the gate or just not have him in your party at the final battle. Will that prevent him from dying?

If so will he then be mad for leaving him out or something?

[Chasseresse]

Zafireria wrote...

frylock23: Didn't answered much lol, plus the question I asked hasn't been answered.

Also I came to think off, if you say no to Morrigan, but either place Alistair at the gate or just not have him in your party at the final battle. Will that prevent him from dying?
If so will he then be mad for leaving him out or something?

What's your question that hasn't been answered?

If you don't do Morrigan's ritual, either you or Al will die. If you leave him at the gates, you will die. If you bring him with you, he will die. Doesn't matter whether he is hardened or not; or king or not.

[Zafireria]

Chasseresse: Same here, except I want him to be with my character! And no one else, married or not it doesn't matter. I just want that he is with my character at the very end. But I am having a hard time figure out what road to go in order to make that happen.

I want him to go the Grey Wardan road with me as his lover. Which requires that he is not hardened. So if he isn't hardened that is how it will be.

BUT the problem is, what do I do if he is hardened, what road do I go if I still wish him to be with my character? Let him be king and have me as his mistress? (doesn't sound so bad, I just don't know which path leads to that ending)

Should I try and say no to Morrigan's offer and make sure Alistair is not in my party or at the gate at the final battle? Will that even change anything? Can you even do that when refusing Morrigan's offer?



You see I have a lot of question yet to be answered. I want him to be with my character, hardened or not.

[Zafireria]

Zafireria wrote...

Number 1 doesn't sound that bad as I first thought, tho I rather want number 2.  
I think I might let him be king and his mistress if he turns out to be hardened. Else I go for number 2. 
If I pick number 1 do I have to make him marry Anora?

In my game Arl Eamon is still poisoned, I haven't gotten the urn yet. Plus my character doesn't know Anora, nor does it seems like I can get to her.
So I can ask her just yet, and you have to support her before the landsmeet? Aka before you get the quest or before you start it?

The marry Anora and support her before the landsmeet. Aka before you get the quest or before you start it.

Those questions.

[frylock23]

Also I came to think off, if you say no to Morrigan, but either place Alistair at the gate or just not have him in your party at the final battle. Will that prevent him from dying?

There's a point after the very first area of the final battle where you choose your party for the final time. You'll know it's coming up because you'll go through a ridiculously easy area where you are solo with all your companions running around as blue circle allies, not party members (you can't control them).



If you leave Alistair out of the party at that last point, then you are to only Grey Warden on top of the tower with the Archdemon and, thus, the only one who can kill it. Alistair is defending the gates of Denerim and too far away to strike the killing blow. If you didn't bargain with Morrigan, then whoever strikes the killing blow will die. Leaving Ali at the gates prevents him from being that person, and you should know that leaving him at the gates is the ONLY way to stop him from making that blow and dying.

[Zafireria]

frylock23: Gotcha. But if I then accept Morrigan's offer. I will need to kill the Archdemon, what is the difference? I mean what does her offer do to prevent Alistair or my character from dying in the end?

Because if I accepted her offer none of us will die, right?

[frylock23]

Right.



If you accept her offer, neither you nor Ali will die. In that case, it doesn't matter who strikes the last blow although it ends up being you. If you've taken Morrigan's bargain, everyone lives ... and I do mean everyone; there's a reason it's a dark bargain.

[Zafireria]

I see, be isn't her offer something about 'tenting with Alistair' ? If you get what I mean.
Else I get it now.

Accept Morrigan's offer.
If Alistair is hardened, make him king and become his mistress (else you won't be with him)
If Alistair is not hardened, make Anora rule alone.

Again do he needs to marry Anora in order for me to become his mistress? Or can I be his mistress without him marring Anora?

Modifié par Zafireria, 04 janvier 2010 - 12:48 .

[frylock23]

I would assume so because if you hardened him, he wants to be happy and will fight for some things for himself - like you. I will admit that I've never gone that route though in my playthroughs. I have it planned for future mage playthrough.



The biggest difference between the two Alis is that one hopes for personal happiness passively while the other will tend to fight for it.



Besides, if you took Morrigan's offer, it should be perfectly obvious to him that he can sleep with another woman if he has to even though he loves you (just speculation on my part).

[Zafireria]

Ok which answer goes for what question?



Sorry I read your post and I can't seem see which answer goes for what question.... Call me dumb, but yeah.

[Chasseresse]

Oh, her offer is the same as "tenting", it just takes place somewhere other than a tent On the plus side though, you do have to convince him to go through with it, it isn't like he just happily jumps in bed with her.



I think if he is hardened and made king (and you are anything except a human noble), he marries Anora either way, which is how you fit in as his mistress. It sort of makes sense-I mean, he is king and he does have to produce an heir... which the two of you cannot (too much dark spawn taint between both wardens), so he has to marry someone to make a legitimate heir... and that someone is by default Anora (someone please correct me if I'm wrong!).



I looked this up a bit on the Wiki entry, because I was curious too, but if I'm reading it correctly, you have to harden him in order to remain as his mistress if he is made king and you are anything but a human noble. Here's the link, scroll down a bit to where they explain the outcomes:



http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Alistair



On the plus side, it looks like if he is hardened and NOT made king, he will stay with you as a warden (ie happily every after still). Unless I'm not reading that right either, lol.



One of my friends who also plays this game has laughed at me for being so "particular" in the outcome. I don't know though... you invest 50?+ hours into one play through/one character, it's kind of sad to find out in the end that the guy your character loves leaves her or your character is forced to share him with another woman. In real life that's sucky, so why would it be "okay" in a fantasy game? Or maybe I'm just a silly girl and a little on the obsessed side

[Zafireria]

Chasseresse: Your post made me laugh xD You are feeling the same way as I almost.



"If Alistair does not become king, and is in a romance with The Warden, he can stay with the Grey Wardens, not leaving his love's side except to make a memorial for Duncan."



That one is the one I am hoping to achieve, if not ah well I have to go with the mistress. I can't bare to let him die ):



But right now I am thinking about making a new game as a female human noble, so I can marry him, just sucky because I like being a mage, and you can't be a noble human mage D:<



But I'll think I will do this, see if there is a quick way for me to see if Alistair is hardened (have to figure out how I get to Anora, so I can figure out)

If he is hardened then I am starting over, I am not having him marry Anora D:< (does depends on how far in the game I had to go in order to figure out if he was hardened or not)

If he is NOT hardened, then Hurrayyyyyyyyyyyyy.



BUT then I read your

On the plus side, it looks like if he is hardened and NOT made king, he will stay with you as a warden (ie happily every after still). Unless I'm not reading that right either, lol.

If he still stays with the warden no matter if he is hardened or not, then his faith has just been chosen. lol.

[Chasseresse]

Just be sure to save often once you get to The Landsmeet part of the game, because so much can change and influence the income.



My last play through I was a human noble and did make him king and myself queen, but I almost lost it and now know what to do for future plays. This will make more sense to you once you reach this part of the game, but when Arl Eamon tells you to go talk to Anora about who should rule: if you are considering backing her for the throne (ie you and Al go off and do warden stuff for the rest of your lives), go do it right then! I forgot to, and did a quest that later prevented me from talking to her at all and when the event of the Landsmeet came up, Anora had already decided that I was against her for not even talking to her. You will have no choice but to force Alistair to be declare himself king and if he's not hardened to want to keep you as his mistress, you won't get the happy ending of such. The only reason it worked out for me was because I was a human noble, and he was hardened.

[Zafireria]

How do you get to Anora so you can speak to her? So you can tell Alistair that you support her or not.

I know she lives in Denerim, but I can't seem to get to her yet. So how to I get to her lol?

[Zafireria]

So I need to speak to her BEFORE the landsmeet quest thing, or all is lost?

[Chasseresse]

After you have assembled your allies (the elves, dwarves, etc.) and told Arl Eamon that you are ready for the Landsmeet, you will then go to Denerim and meet Anora. THEN the worries and game reloads really begin

[frylock23]

When you all get to Denerim, you'll have to go fetch Anora. Once you have her in Arl Eamon's estate, you, Anora, and Eamon talk. Then Anora goes to her room, and Eamon tells you to go have a chat with her. That's when you do it, and do it right then. Whatever, you ultimately plan to do, make sure you tell her you're supporting her at the Landsmeet. If you don't, she's decided that you're against her and will side with Loghain making things much tougher for you.



I made the mistake of telling her I couldn;t support her my first time out and got into massive fights at the Landsmeet no matter what I did until I reloaded that game to before the private chat with her. And if you tell her that you'll support her at the Landsmeet, you can still opt to put Ali on the throne.



I actually intended to keep Ali to myself and let her rule the first time through, but when I get to the part where I interviewed both of them, I just couldn't stand her and put Ali on the throne with myself as queen and then fugged it up by turning Morrigan down and taking Ali onto the tower.

[Zafireria]

 Ok thanks for the information, I have made a follow up on the faith of Alistair and 'you'. If there is any mistake please correct me.
"Major spoiler alert, now you have been warned."



If Alistair is NOT hardened: (Staying with Grey Warden and have you as his lover)
When Arl Eamon tells you to talk to Anora about who should rule the world. Do so right away.
Tell that you support Anora to Anora and that she shall rule alone, and tell Alistair that you support her and she shall rule alone.
Accept Morrigan's offer.
Keep Alistair in your party in the final battle.

If Alistair is hardened: (If it is possible to stay with you as your lover)
When Arl Eamon tells you to talk to Anora about who should rule the world. Do so right away.
Tell that you support Anora to Anora and that she shall rule alone, and tell Alistair that you support her and she shall rule alone. (Alistair will be mad, but should come over it)
Accept Morrigan's offer.
Keep Alistair in your party in the final battle.

If Alistair is hardened: (and it is not possible to stay with the you)
When Arl Eamon tells you to talk to Anora about who should rule the world. Do so right away.
Tell that you support Alistair in becoming king, and imprison Anora.
Accept Morrigan's offer.
Keep Alistair in your party in the final battle.
"He will become king and keep you as his mistress"

If you want to marry Alistair: (only possible if you are a female human noble)
Alistair must be hardened.
When Arl Eamon tells you to talk to Anora about who should rule the world. Do so right away.
Tell that you support Alistair in becoming king.
Imprison Anora.
Accept Morrigan's offer.
Keep Alistair in your party at the final battle.
You must be persuasive enough to make the landsmeet accept you as the queen. Choose "I'll rule beside him"
"He will become king and marry you"

If you want Alistair to marry Anora:
Accept Morrigan's offer.
Tell that you support Alistair as king.
Do not imprison Anora.
Do not slay Loghain, but conscript him into the Grey Warden.
Convince Alistair to marry Anora.
"He will become king and marry Anora, but will break up with you"

If you want Alistair or yourself to sacrifice in order to kill the Archdemon: 
Decline Morrigan's offer.
If you want to die: Leave Alistair at the gate or don't have him in your party at the final battle.
If you want Alistair to die: Take him with you to slay the Archdemon.
"Different ending after who dies"


I think that is it, just correct me, lol.

[SusanStoHelit]

Alistair will never marry Anora - unless you suggest it. To one, or both of them. And you'll need to persuade them in either case.

By the way, always say you'll support Anora before the landsmeet (even if you're lying, no matter who you are, even a straight man who is only Alistair's friend, or a gay man who's Zevran's lover) because you need it to gain approval.

As someone else said, you'll know if he's hardened before the Landsmeet. So save when you enter Eamon's house in Denerim. Go talk to Anora and Alistair, you will know then by his answer if you say you're backing Anora. If he says he's relieved, he's not hardened, and you and he can ride off into the sunset (so to speak). If he's angry, he is hardened. Just reload to that save you just made, tell Anora you'll back her (LIE), talk to Al about being king, and if you play your cards right you will be his faithful love throughout his reign. Whether you choose to have him rule alone, or with Anora, is up to you. You will still be his 'love'.

Edit: if you are a human noble you do NOT have to harden Alistair. You can rule at his side either way, provided you meet a few persuade checks. However, in that case you will have to 'appoint' him king as he will not put himself forward.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 04 janvier 2010 - 02:40 .

[Zafireria]

SusanStoHelit: Ok thank you I will keep that in mind.



Also I say this on the side you gave me Chasseresse



"If you have already slept with Alistair, "hardened" him during his personal quest, and his approval is high enough, you can have a threesome with him and Isabela on her ship."



Never mind the threesome part, it is the 'f you have already slept with Alistair, "hardened" him during his personal quest'

I slept with him after the quest was done, and I invited him. Does that mean I have hardened him?

[SusanStoHelit]

Sleeping with Alistair is not important. It doesn't matter when that happened. Hardening consists of only ONE thing, after meeting Goldanna, if you said "Everyone is out for themselves" he is hardened. There is a small cop out though, if you chose that accidentally, or changed your mind, back in camp when he talks to you, you can say "That isn't what I meant" and that will reverse the hardening. After that point, it's too late. (Darn all the sexual imagery that 'hardening' entails.)

[Zafireria]

SusanStoHelit: Lol well I don't remember which one I took honestly, perhaps the computer saved the part. I'll have to go check.

I just wish there was a quick way to find out if he is hardened or not >.<

Eamon isn't awake yet so I don't think I can get to Anora yet.



Anyways, I have decided to go through with my character, no matter if Alistair is hardened or not. Just to see the different endings, and I will then choose the one I like the best (going to be hell of a lot of 'back ups' and 'Secure Saves' lol)

And whenever I feel like it I will do the game again, just with a female human noble, just to see how it is to be queen =P

[Chasseresse]

"Alistair will never marry Anora - unless you suggest it. To one, or both of them. And you'll need to persuade them in either case."



That's good to know. I just don't like Anora, she strikes me as being much like her father-perhaps once had good intentions but is no longer trustworthy when it comes to the true good of the people versus ultimate power. I think I dislike the character even more than Morrigan-to Morrigan's credit, she doesn't pretend to have loyalties to anyone but herself. It's not pleasant but at least she's honest and you know where she stands.