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[Zafireria]

Chasseresse: Heard, heard, plus she is a good mage as well.

I looked through the computers screen saves, it gave me a a lot of pictures, but not dialog, just pictures. There is one where Alistair look rather grumpy lol, but the background doesn't match outside the sister house, or the camp. So I will assume that he wasn't grumpy at that time.

Anyways, I will go on with my character and wake Eamon up so I can find this out. After talking to Anora and that I need to choose a dawrf king and then they should be ready for the big battle, lol.

Thanks to everyone for their help, such sweethearts =)

Modifié par Zafireria, 04 janvier 2010 - 03:06 .

[SusanStoHelit]

Hehe, I have 9 characters (only one has finished game yet) of both genders and all races and classes. And I'm going to try every (or almost every) possible ending.



Human noble male, romances Morrigan, marries Anora and rules at her side (done).

Human noble female accepts Morrigan's offer, marries Alistair and rules at his side.

Human noble female rejects Morrigan's offer, don't know who'll die yet.

Dwarf noble female, loves Gorim, falls for Alistair, settles for mistress.

Dwarf commoner female, falls for Alistair, is rejected, sacrifices self.

Dalish elf female, romances Alistair, doesn't harden him, rides off into sunset.

Elven mage female, romances Zevran, rides off into sunset.

Human mage male, romances Morrigan, maybe goes for Zev or Leli when she leaves, not sure.

City elf male, romances Leliana, rides off into sunset.



I'm varying all my other choices too. I shall see the whole range of options, lol.

[Zafireria]

SusanStoHelit: I wish you luck with that, you should PM me about your results. Would be interesting to hear.

[SusanStoHelit]

Shavon wrote...

So, if we harden him, romance him as a non-human, suggest Anora for the throne, suffer through the DK, etc, will he go for the throne anyways?  I usually have maxed persuasion.  I want to harden him, but I don't want him to be king.  Can I do this and still have my PC end up with him?

If you don't want Alistair to be king, don't harden him. I haven't actually tried hardening him and NOT giving him the throne but I suspect it isn't possible. And that's a loooooot of game lost if it doesn't work. Unless you're cool with trying it and putting him on throne if it doesn't work.

Alistair and Romance:

The only origin that will let you marry Alistair and rule at his side is Human Noble, but you need to pass a persuade check too because of the heir problem.

If you are not a human noble, and you still want him on the throne and to stay with him (lover not wife), then you MUST harden him. It doesn't matter if he is ruling alone or with Anora for this. If you don't, he will dump you.

If you are not a human noble, and you want to stay together but not have him on the throne, don't harden him. Select Anora for the throne at the landsmeet.

Regardless of your origin, you must let Alistair perform the ritual with Morrigan in order for you both to survive and have any of these endings. To do this you must pass a persuade check - or Alistair won't do it. Thus it is important for all female pc characters who romance Alistair and want a 'happy ending' to max the coerce line and get at least 20 points in cunning. You can probably do it with less coerce if you have more cunning, but I don't know all the variations.

If you don't have Alistair perform the ritual, one of you will die. If you are both in the battle with the Archdemon, and Alistair 'loves' you - he will die. If you leave him at the gate - you will die.

The choices are yours, but must be planned out early in the game, or you can really mess things up.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 04 janvier 2010 - 11:11 .

[Star]

Shavon wrote...

Star58 wrote...

I know, awful pun.  In this case, it means getting him to think/take care of himself.  So the first time he talks with you after meeting Goldanna (after you've walked out the door) choose the dialogue option that says "Everyone is out for themselves.  You should learn that."  Then later when you talk about it again (and you will) as long as you don't choose the dialogue option: "That's not what I meant. Don't do that!" he will be "hardened."

Interestingly enough in my elf rogue game, I had the option when choosing at Landsmeet to tell him to take the throne and that I would be his chancellor.  I didn't choose that one because I intentionally hadn't hardenend him but planned to keep him and my PC as Grey Wardens.  I actually like the "stay Grey Wardens" ending better than most of the others.  But then I'm not a "marriage is the only happy ending" kinda person....

So, if we harden him, romance him as a non-human, suggest Anora for the throne, suffer through the DK, etc, will he go for the throne anyways?  I usually have maxed persuasion.  I want to harden him, but I don't want him to be king.  Can I do this and still have my PC end up with him?

At Landsmeet, don't say anything about having Alistair as king. You'll make more points by talking about the blight, about Loghain's poisoning of the Arl of Redcliffe and other illegal exploits. If you've agreed to support Anora, she'll also take your side which eventually gets you to a place where the PC gets to choose who takes the throne. You can then choose her to rule alone.l  Alistair doesn't get a choice.  Both hardened and unhardened Alistair accept this.  Frankly, unhardened Alistair is relieved.


Now I don't know how this plays afterwards.  Certainly in my current game, hardened Alistair hasn't said much about my not choosing him as king.  My understanding is that your non-human PC and Alistair (hardened or otherwise) will stay together if you don't make him king and chose to stay with the Grey Wardens.  There's a great flow chart of choices that was posted in the first week or so after the game's release that might be useful to you.  It's at  img10.imageshack.us/img10/1853/dragonageflowchart3.png. 

Modifié par Star58, 05 janvier 2010 - 12:33 .

[SusanStoHelit]

Thanks Star58. Like I said, I didn't know whether you could do it or not. Maybe I'll check it out. But it just seems easier to me not to harden him anyway, so maybe not, I'll see.

[Star]

SusanStoHelit wrote...

Thanks Star58. Like I said, I didn't know whether you could do it or not. Maybe I'll check it out. But it just seems easier to me not to harden him anyway, so maybe not, I'll see.

    I absolutely agree it's easier not to harden him.  If toughening him up changes the ending for No King Al, I'll let you know.

Btw - I like your sig.  It's one of my favorite lines in ME.

Modifié par Star58, 05 janvier 2010 - 03:14 .

[Zafireria]

I just went to the landsmeet, and Alistair was reviled that I support Anora, so I am happy, I get my happy ending lol.
But I got the choice in the end on who become king/queen, I even had the option to marry him to Anora (without even have mention it ever) and I got the option to make Alistair king and I'll rule beside him. Let me make it clear that I am a Elf Mage, so that option surprised me, but you will be turned down if you choose it - So I've heard. I didn't chose it as Alistair didn't wanted to be king.
But on my next game I will take female human noble and marry him =P

So many people have a hard time making Anora queen because they don't like her, my hardest part was to convince Alistair to 'jump' Morrigan. He looked so sad spite he said that he would do it if I got spared (aka not dying) ):
But better than seeing him die, or get hurt because I died ^.^ 

Modifié par Zafireria, 06 janvier 2010 - 12:29 .

[Star]

Zafireria wrote...

I just went to the landsmeet, and Alistair was reviled that I support Anora, so I am happy, I get my happy ending lol.
But I got the choice in the end on who become king/queen, I even had the option to marry him to Anora (without even have mention it ever) and I got the option to make Alistair king and I'll rule beside him. Let me make it clear that I am a Elf Mage, so that option surprised me, but you will be turned down if you choose it - So I've heard. I didn't chose it as Alistair didn't wanted to be king.

Yep, if you're not a human noble and particularly if Alistair hasn't been hardened and you choose the response to make Alistair king, he dumps you in the next scene and nothing you can say will change it. 

Modifié par Star58, 06 janvier 2010 - 12:34 .

[paulcox73]

This is where the game went BAD. Who carers about romance in a D&D game. And if you do care sorry but get a life.

[Kepha]

Zafireria wrote...
So many people have a hard time making Anora queen because they don't like her, my hardest part was to convince Alistair to 'jump' Morrigan. He looked so sad spite he said that he would do it if I got spared (aka not dying) ):
But better than seeing him die, or get hurt because I died ^.^ 

If you die, the speech he gives at your funeral if you're in a romance is just heartbreaking.

[natwadee1992]

I think i hardened Alistair, and i did so by just having regular conversations with him in the Bercilian forest. But now i can't even talk to him, the approval level i had with him was love, now it's friendly. Everytime i try to have a conversation with him, it says ask something and i ask about the grey wardens, but then it routes me back to never mind. There's nothing i can say to him, how do i get the love approval back again. Usually when i give other party members gifts there's a gold heart that rises up from the approval bar, but it doesn't do that with Alistairs. What do i do?!!

[Star]

natwadee1992 wrote...

I think i hardened Alistair, and i did so by just having regular conversations with him in the Bercilian forest. But now i can't even talk to him, the approval level i had with him was love, now it's friendly. Everytime i try to have a conversation with him, it says ask something and i ask about the grey wardens, but then it routes me back to never mind. There's nothing i can say to him, how do i get the love approval back again. Usually when i give other party members gifts there's a gold heart that rises up from the approval bar, but it doesn't do that with Alistairs. What do i do?!!

Hardening Alistair doesn't change his approval rating. What does this are some of your PC's actions, like allowing Connor or Isolde to die, accepting Kolgrim's deal in the Urn quest or supporting/using blood mage options, some dialogue options (usually ones that question A's intelligence or are slightly snarky) or, as you say, gifts.  However, in regards to gift giving's impact on your approval rating, it's based upon a formula. First you have to give the right gifts; as you may know, not all gifts work for a particular companion.  Also the game factors in how many gifts you've already given the companion (so when you get to 5 or 6 gifts, the number of points you get per gift becomes less and less).  

You indicate being in the Brecilian Forest  when this occurred.  Was the convo the 2nd one after doing his sister's quest?  The only way to harden Alistair is if you take him to meet his sister and in the convo immediate afterwards tell him everyone's out for themselves. A 2nd convo, which happens the next time you talk with him, will leave him hardened as long as you don't say, "That's not what I meant. Don't do that!".  However, this doesn't change his approval rating.  You may still have some gifts available that will help (Duncan's shield in the endgame comes to mind). Also, you may find that he will talk with you more at camp (the "I'd like to ask you a personal question" questions.

Hope this is of some help. 

[OlG-fr]

SusanStoHelit wrote...
Hehe, I have 9 characters (only one has finished game yet) of both genders and all races and classes. And I'm going to try every (or almost every) possible ending.

Human noble male, romances Morrigan, marries Anora and rules at her side (done).
Human noble female accepts Morrigan's offer, marries Alistair and rules at his side.
Human noble female rejects Morrigan's offer, don't know who'll die yet.
Dwarf noble female, loves Gorim, falls for Alistair, settles for mistress.
Dwarf commoner female, falls for Alistair, is rejected, sacrifices self.
Dalish elf female, romances Alistair, doesn't harden him, rides off into sunset.
Elven mage female, romances Zevran, rides off into sunset.
Human mage male, romances Morrigan, maybe goes for Zev or Leli when she leaves, not sure.
City elf male, romances Leliana, rides off into sunset.


I'm varying all my other choices too. I shall see the whole range of options, lol.

Good luck with that

Anyhow about your 8' choice, I don't think it's feasible. I don't know for Zevran for sure.

But
Lelianna: My character was a human noble who romanced Morrigan (My core group was Alllistair Lelianna and Morrigan). I acted as a caring friend for Leli without trying to romance her. I tried to be very clear, at a time she tried to go further and I choosed the friend line. Still she was in love and at a time asked me to choose between her and Morrigan (Which really appeared as a glitch to me, since I wasn't involved in a romance with Leli). And after you've made your choice it's done for good.

Of course you could try to avoid any social relation with her until the climax witch flee, but then it'll be too late to build up a relation with the bard.
Anyhow I guess it was designed that way you cannot have the two and have to make a choice.

paulcox73 wrote...
This is where the game went BAD. Who carers about romance in a D&D game. And if you do care sorry but get a life.

Role Playing Game, not D&D game. Still there was romance in BGs wasn't it? Role Playing a character
through acts, choices and decisions may be through romance. After all it's a human facet (And not the least btw). Anyhow the romance part in DA is still minimal if you consider the time spent/devoted to it, so no need to accuse it to spoil the game. You can completely avoid it after all.

Modifié par OlG-fr, 16 janvier 2010 - 12:52 .

[JosieJ]

From way back:

frylock23 wrote...

Personally, on the playthrough where I didn't harden him and put him on the throne. My female human mage decided to choose her duty over love just like Ali. She left him at the gates and sacrificed herself - So THERE! In the end it worked well for the mages though. I'm wondering if there are similar benefits should I do that with an elf.

In a word: yes.  Whatever group you belong to will benefit because you're a Warden.  Although you don't have to sacrifice yourself, but can ask it as a boon from whomever's ruling.

[Urazz]

Zafireria wrote...

If you want Alistair to marry Anora:
Accept Morrigan's offer.
Tell that you support Alistair as king.
Do not imprison Anora.
Do not slay Loghain, but conscript him into the Grey Warden.
Convince Alistair to marry Anora.
"He will become king and marry Anora, but will break up with you"

I think that is it, just correct me, lol.

Actually, you don't tell Anora you support Alistair as king, you propose the marriage idea to her, you then convince Alistair to accept it as well.  At the landsmeet, if Alistair is hardened, you can spare Loghain but he'll take Alistair's spot in the party but he'll still go on to become king.  Otherwise, if he isn't hardened, you have no choice but to execute Loghain but you gotta do it yourself or Anora won't accept marrying the man that killed her father.

[Elastic Otter]

Handy, Star58. Thanks.