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[Sebby]

LilyasAvalon wrote...

... Call of Duty has a storyline?

Yes, unlike DA2 and ME2.

[Maxster_]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Seival wrote...


Mass Effect is the game with the most complicated story in game development history. No other game can come even close to that.

Witcher already did, even Dragon Age and ME1 managed better... /trollface.jpg

If Mass Effect 3 showed anything is that all choices are meaningless, because each time when you made one your consequences are summ in the new generic replacement of event or NPC. You killed Wrex ? You get Wreav... You sold or let die Legion ? You get VI ... and so many other things... You let Council dies ? You will get same generic council You saved Council ? They will be still refusing truth...

If I want real consequences then I would like to see different gameplay or different behavior of NPCs with each new part which I have changed in new gameplay, that´s the part where Witcher 2 beat most if not all RPG games made to this date, consequences here not just changing sides of which are you up to, but also change location of events as much outcomes.

Comparing ME3 to Witcher 2(or even 1) in context of choices and consequences - it is not even funny.
Choices like between krogans(infantry) and salarians(fleets) is competely meaningless, by design.

[Kreid]

It's not the same to have choice and consequence play during a whole trilogy than a single, confined game. Had Mass Effect been an stand alone experience I'm pretty sure it would have outclassed much everything regarding this matter.

That said, looking back it's sad that BioWare ended up putting so little effort in fulfilling that aspect of the game, with the platform changes and the obsession with not locking content to new players the choice/consequence ended in something so weak as the EMS. Truly a case of wasted potential.

Modifié par Creid-X, 17 novembre 2012 - 07:52 .

[Sebby]

Maxster_ wrote...
Comparing ME3 to Witcher 2(or even 1) in context of choices and consequences - it is not even funny.
Choices like between krogans(infantry) and salarians(fleets) is competely meaningless, by design.

Indeed, the laughable " war assets" have as much meaningful impact on the game as me typing up random numbers on a calculator.

[Sebby]

Wreav's the better character anyhow, even if for the sole reason of being consistent.

[JimTasty]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

The fact that Bioware games are longer is not an excuse for a shooter and a CALL OF ****ING DUTY game to provide vastly better choices and consequences.

What I find vastly more intresting is that Raul Menendez is 100 times better then TIM as a terrorist antagonist, let alone the Catalyst.

Raul Menendez was an awesome villian. He actually had motive!

[Applepie_Svk]

Seboist wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...
Comparing ME3 to Witcher 2(or even 1) in context of choices and consequences - it is not even funny.
Choices like between krogans(infantry) and salarians(fleets) is competely meaningless, by design.

Indeed, the laughable " war assets" have as much meaningful impact on the game as me typing up random numbers on a calculator.

Don´t say it to me...

[Maxster_]

Seboist wrote...

Wreav's the better character anyhow, even if for the sole reason of being consistent.

You meant Wrex in ME3? Well, there is also such wonderful things like Udina's self-betrayal.

[Seival]

Mendelevosa wrote...

Seival wrote...

Mendelevosa wrote...

Kill Wrex in ME1 and you will never see him again later. Only a visual change. Replaced by Wreav who does the same things as Wrex would have.

Killing Wrex in ME1... Killing (!) was just a visual change?? Do you care about game characters even a little, or they are just a pile of rubble to you?

Sorry, but I don't wanna even read the rest of your comments...

I respected your views by reading your ENTIRE post. Yet you refuse to return the favor. How do you expect anyone to take you seriously if you are going to act like a child?

FYI, I do care about the characters. In fact, Wrex is one of my favorite characters. But look at Wrex's influence on the story. Regardless of whether he lives or dies, the story plots remains, for the most part, unaffected. Even if Wreav takes over, the same missions and plots are given to players. The only difference is that one character is part of the story instead of the other. It would have been more effective if the fate of Tuchanka and the direction of story plots were changes drastically if Wreav had taken over, though this is not the case. That is part of my main point. The overall story, dialogue, and gameplay all stays the same, disregarding many choices Shepard makes

Yea, I see how you care about the characters... "killing is just a visual change".

One of human leaders dies, and another one replaces him. The man is completely different, but still agrees with some particular points of view of the previous leader. There is nothing unnatural in that. And if the previous leader was your friend, then you will be sad even if the subsequent leader will perform many steps which would previous leader obviously perform himself if he was alive. Also, we can say for sure that subsequent leader's rule will have different long-term outcome. Changes don't have to be immediate...

...Dramatic story change after every noticable choice is unrealistic. Devs would have to spend tens of years to produce such games. No publisher will allow devs to work on a game for so long. Unrealistic demands = game will never be released. It's better to have released perfect game, than a dream about godlike game which you will never be able to play.

[Seival]

Seboist wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

... Call of Duty has a storyline?

Yes, unlike DA2 and ME2.

A troll with goblin avatar? This is something new.

I suppose you enjoy a silly "DA2-clone" also known as "Witcher2", and think it has a nice and interesting storyline?

How much do rival companies pay to support trolls I wonder...

[Persephone]

So, since COD kiddie is no longer available as an insult to "real" RPG fans.....will "DA kiddie" be the next RPG slur of the year?

Seriously.

I am glad COD is providing what its players enjoy. But just as I haven't bashed COD when it was cool to do so, I will not praise it now. Because it's still not my game.

Decisions? 

Guess what? 

Princess Maker 2 has 75+ endings. Choke on that, "RPGS".

Every second visual novel has more impactful decisions and more endings than ME, The Witcher Series, the DA series.....yeah, all of these games suck.

Modifié par Persephone, 17 novembre 2012 - 08:26 .

[Applepie_Svk]

Seival wrote...

Seboist wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

... Call of Duty has a storyline?

Yes, unlike DA2 and ME2.

A troll with goblin avatar? This is something new.

I suppose you enjoy a silly "DA2-clone" also known as "Witcher2", and think it has a nice and interesting storyline?

How much do rival companies pay to support trolls I wonder...

spoke like a true troll...

ps: It would be nice if Witcher 2 was just a clone of DAII, because it would mean that I didn´t wasted my money on piece of bad writing and lot of contradictions.

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 17 novembre 2012 - 08:42 .

[Maxster_]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Seival wrote...

Seboist wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

... Call of Duty has a storyline?

Yes, unlike DA2 and ME2.

A troll with goblin avatar? This is something new.

I suppose you enjoy a silly "DA2-clone" also known as "Witcher2", and think it has a nice and interesting storyline?

How much do rival companies pay to support trolls I wonder...

spoke like a true troll...

This reminded me of something... Ah yes!

[dreamgazer]

Seival wrote...

I suppose you enjoy a silly "DA2-clone" also known as "Witcher2"

Witcher 2 apes a bunch of games, protagonists and novels, but it ain't a DA2 clone.

[Maxster_]

dreamgazer wrote...

Seival wrote...

I suppose you enjoy a silly "DA2-clone" also known as "Witcher2"

Witcher 2 apes a bunch of games, protagonists and novels, but it ain't a DA2 clone.

Yeah, like "The Witcher" book series by Sapkowski.

[Argolas]

Maxster_ wrote...

This reminded me of something... Ah yes!

I know that this is OT, but... Is this guy serious? 

[AtreiyaN7]

Yeah, that's just dandy - I should probably point out that it's a single game and not a complicated sci-fi trilogy. I also ordered Black Ops 2, but basically, your thread seems to amount to this:

"Wah, I didn't get the ME3 ending I wanted, so I will whine about it for the rest of my natural life and take every opportunity to compare apples to oranges."

I've played the MW games AND Black Ops, and in CoD-land the stories, at best, are pedestrian (except for MW1 maybe). I appreciated the Machurian Candidate-like approach in Black Ops 1 to an extent, but it wasn't particularly original or executed in an entirely coherent manner,

Black Ops 2 isn't a direct sequel, as it happens to take place in the future with a protagonist who's related to Mason from Black Ops 2. I tell you what, call me if Treyarch ever do a trilogy with the same protagonist and games that take place back-to-back with an entire universe at stake. *rolleyes*

While I enjoy some of the CoD games for the shooting (and zombies!), it's generally not where I go for deep storylines - although Black Ops 2 seems at least potentially more interesting than previous CoD games (which is why I ordered it). Even if you have choice with the missions and your approach to those missions, I find it doubtful that they'll result in massively different endings in Black Ops 2,

If they somehow result in multiple different endings that actually have meaningful differences, do let me know. *snort*

[dreamgazer]

Argolas wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

This reminded me of something... Ah yes!

I know that this is OT, but... Is this guy serious? 

Hey, if Twilight fans can think the vampires from Dracula and Nosferatu are out-of-character for acting like monsters, anything is possible.

[Argolas]

dreamgazer wrote...

Argolas wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

This reminded me of something... Ah yes!

*snip*

I know that this is OT, but... Is this guy serious? 

Hey, if Twilight fans can think the vampires from Dracula and Nosferatu are out-of-character for acting like monsters, anything is possible.

...

Every organic civilization MUST be harvested in order to bring order to the chaos. It is inevitable.

Modifié par Argolas, 17 novembre 2012 - 09:07 .

[TNT1991]

 In other news, Dragon's Dogma has better dragon battles than Skyrim. Oh, how will Bethesda live with themselves?!

[Seival]

Maxster_ wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Seival wrote...

Seboist wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

... Call of Duty has a storyline?

Yes, unlike DA2 and ME2.

A troll with goblin avatar? This is something new.

I suppose you enjoy a silly "DA2-clone" also known as "Witcher2", and think it has a nice and interesting storyline?

How much do rival companies pay to support trolls I wonder...

spoke like a true troll...

This reminded me of something... Ah yes!

*

Witcher2 was released later than DA2. And it doesn't matter that both Witchers were based on some book series that was written before DA2 release. Those books didn't have interactive choices which affect the story outcome.

Witcher2 is just "let's make a game like Dragon Age 2, but with different story, stupid combat system, and unoptimized graphic engine". Nothing more.

Modifié par Seival, 17 novembre 2012 - 09:26 .