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#151
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Yeah, that's just dandy - I should probably point out that it's a single game and not a complicated sci-fi trilogy. I also ordered Black Ops 2, but basically, your thread seems to amount to this:

"Wah, I didn't get the ME3 ending I wanted, so I will whine about it for the rest of my natural life and take every opportunity to compare apples to oranges."

I've played the MW games AND Black Ops, and in CoD-land the stories, at best, are pedestrian (except for MW1 maybe). I appreciated the Machurian Candidate-like approach in Black Ops 1 to an extent, but it wasn't particularly original or executed in an entirely coherent manner,

Black Ops 2 isn't a direct sequel, as it happens to take place in the future with a protagonist who's related to Mason from Black Ops 2. I tell you what, call me if Treyarch ever do a trilogy with the same protagonist and games that take place back-to-back with an entire universe at stake. *rolleyes*

While I enjoy some of the CoD games for the shooting (and zombies!), it's generally not where I go for deep storylines - although Black Ops 2 seems at least potentially more interesting than previous CoD games (which is why I ordered it). Even if you have choice with the missions and your approach to those missions, I find it doubtful that they'll result in massively different endings in Black Ops 2,

If they somehow result in multiple different endings that actually have meaningful differences, do let me know. *snort*


Actually it is a direct sequel. There is a portion of the campaign in the future but also a portion in the past. You play Mason's son but you also play Mason from Black Ops while the Cold War is still going on and yes the choices do result in different endings with meaningfull differences.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 17 novembre 2012 - 09:28 .


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@Sevial

So the Witcher 2 was developed in the two months following DAII's release?

I really hope you're just trolling Seival. Because this is fairly idiotic, even by your standards,

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Seival wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Seival wrote...

Seboist wrote...

LilyasAvalon wrote...

... Call of Duty has a storyline?


Yes, unlike DA2 and ME2.


A troll with goblin avatar? This is something new.

I suppose you enjoy a silly "DA2-clone" also known as "Witcher2", and think it has a nice and interesting storyline?

How much do rival companies pay to support trolls I wonder...


spoke like a true troll...

This reminded me of something... Ah yes!

*


Witcher2 was released later than DA2. And it doesn't matter that both Witchers were based on some book series that was written before DA2 release. Those books didn't have interactive choices which affect the story outcome.

Witcher2 is just "let's make a game like Dragon Age 2, but with different story, stupid combat system, and unoptimized graphic engine". Nothing more.

What? DA2 was...wait... troll senses are tingling.

Nice try but i've seen better attemps at trolling.

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Can't tell if this is a blatant jab towards Bioware with solid observations, or just a blatant jab towards Bioware with misleading statements for the sake of being bitter.

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hornedfrog87 wrote...

Can't tell if this is a blatant jab towards Bioware with solid observations, or just a blatant jab towards Bioware with misleading statements for the sake of being bitter.


Or just Bioware not knowing how to plan out a trilogy. 

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Maxster_ wrote...

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Wreav's the better character anyhow, even if for the sole reason of being consistent.

You meant Wrex in ME3? Well, there is also such wonderful things like Udina's self-betrayal. :lol:


Yeppers, Wrex in ME3 was a disgrace. All that character development about the Krogans' violent nature being the true cause of their demise and not the genophage and his being in power due to the policy of fertile females in neutral ground went out the window and he becomes Wreav-lite instead. Killing him (and Ashley) in ME1 turned out to be the better choice.

And Udina... oh man, what made it all the more sad was that his portrayal and interaction with Shepard in the beginning was the best in the series. That's just what happens when ones winging it and wants to provide wish fulfillment in the form of giving the kiddies their chance to "drop loads" on Udina.

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Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

@Sevial

So the Witcher 2 was developed in the two months following DAII's release?

I really hope you're just trolling Seival. Because this is fairly idiotic, even by your standards,


DA2 was announced long before it was released. And everyone knew that DA2 will be similar to DA:O and Mass Effect in some particular aspects. Witcher2 devs had all reference needed to clone DA2. But the clone was pretty ugly...

...Posted Image

Modifié par Seival, 17 novembre 2012 - 09:45 .


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spirosz wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

Can't tell if this is a blatant jab towards Bioware with solid observations, or just a blatant jab towards Bioware with misleading statements for the sake of being bitter.


Or just Bioware not knowing how to plan out a trilogy. 


Not the point. This thread is nothing but a blatant jab and has no relevance to the campaign or story, thus it should be closed. 

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Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

@Sevial

So the Witcher 2 was developed in the two months following DAII's release?

I really hope you're just trolling Seival. Because this is fairly idiotic, even by your standards,


obvious troll is obvious... 

I told that multpiple times, but people actaully never believed me :o


Seival wrote...


DA2 was announced long before it was released. And everyone knew that DA2 will be similar to DA:O and Mass Effect in some particular aspects. Witcher2 devs have all reference needed to clone DA2. But the clone was pretty ugly...

...Posted Image


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Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 17 novembre 2012 - 09:44 .


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hornedfrog87 wrote...

Can't tell if this is a blatant jab towards Bioware with solid observations, or just a blatant jab towards Bioware with misleading statements for the sake of being bitter.


Solid observations, based on comments from other venues.  I'm not much of a FPS gamer, so I haven't personally played it. 

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hornedfrog87 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

Can't tell if this is a blatant jab towards Bioware with solid observations, or just a blatant jab towards Bioware with misleading statements for the sake of being bitter.


Or just Bioware not knowing how to plan out a trilogy. 


Not the point. This thread is nothing but a blatant jab and has no relevance to the campaign or story, thus it should be closed. 


I should close your post

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spirosz wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

Can't tell if this is a blatant jab towards Bioware with solid observations, or just a blatant jab towards Bioware with misleading statements for the sake of being bitter.


Or just Bioware not knowing how to plan out a trilogy. 


BW made it quite clear with ME2 and DA2 that they don't give a damn about player choice or continuity.

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Seival wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

@Sevial

So the Witcher 2 was developed in the two months following DAII's release?

I really hope you're just trolling Seival. Because this is fairly idiotic, even by your standards,


DA2 was announced long before it was released. And everyone knew that DA2 will be similar to DA:O and Mass Effect in some particular aspects. Witcher2 devs have all reference needed to clone DA2. But the clone was pretty ugly...

...Posted Image

 
In that case DA2 was a DA:O clone and DA:O was a BG clone and BG was a clone from every other Pen and Paper RPG before it. 

What is your point?

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spirosz wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...
Can't tell if this is a blatant jab towards Bioware with solid observations, or just a blatant jab towards Bioware with misleading statements for the sake of being bitter.

Or just Bioware not knowing how to plan out a trilogy. 

Not the point. This thread is nothing but a blatant jab and has no relevance to the campaign or story, thus it should be closed. 

I should close your post

Giving yourself an "owned" response, is the equivelent of liking your own facebook status. You should be ashamed. Statement still stands: this is thread is looking to be nothing more than a jab with no relevance to ME3 story or campaign. 

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Wimbini wrote...

Seival wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

@Sevial

So the Witcher 2 was developed in the two months following DAII's release?

I really hope you're just trolling Seival. Because this is fairly idiotic, even by your standards,


DA2 was announced long before it was released. And everyone knew that DA2 will be similar to DA:O and Mass Effect in some particular aspects. Witcher2 devs have all reference needed to clone DA2. But the clone was pretty ugly...

...Posted Image

 
In that case DA2 was a DA:O clone and DA:O was a BG clone and BG was a clone from every other Pen and Paper RPG before it. 

What is your point?


His point is to insult any kind of opposition and everyone who dislike something about ME3...

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hornedfrog87 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...
Can't tell if this is a blatant jab towards Bioware with solid observations, or just a blatant jab towards Bioware with misleading statements for the sake of being bitter.

Or just Bioware not knowing how to plan out a trilogy. 

Not the point. This thread is nothing but a blatant jab and has no relevance to the campaign or story, thus it should be closed. 

I should close your post

Giving yourself an "owned" response, is the equivelent of liking your own facebook status. You should be ashamed. Statement still stands: this is thread is looking to be nothing more than a jab with no relevance to ME3 story or campaign. 


It's relevant because Bioware liked to state "choices" as the main selling point for this series, am I right?  Where the OP is stating that a game like Call of Duty is doing it better than a series based off their whole marketing.  

And yes, I like my own status all the time, you should be ashamed for not knowing this.  :lol:

Modifié par spirosz, 17 novembre 2012 - 09:48 .


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Call of Duty has better writing too. You don't see Capt. Price putting the fight against Makarov on hold to go solve Soap's daddy issues or spend a whole game trying to build some device they haven't a clue of what it is or does.

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spirosz wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...
Can't tell if this is a blatant jab towards Bioware with solid observations, or just a blatant jab towards Bioware with misleading statements for the sake of being bitter.

Or just Bioware not knowing how to plan out a trilogy. 

Not the point. This thread is nothing but a blatant jab and has no relevance to the campaign or story, thus it should be closed. 

I should close your post

Giving yourself an "owned" response, is the equivelent of liking your own facebook status. You should be ashamed. Statement still stands: this is thread is looking to be nothing more than a jab with no relevance to ME3 story or campaign. 


It's relevant because Bioware liked to state "choices" as the main selling point for this series, am I right?  Where the OP is stating that a game like Call of Duty is doing it better than a series based off their whole marketing.  

And yes, I like my own status all the time, you should be ashamed for not knowing this.  :lol:


With absolute zero examples of the plot or campaign to support his argument. There is no discussion as to what in ME3 or the ME3 trilogy was not an important decision. Still irrelevant and more BSN broken record wailing. 

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Witcher2 was released later than DA2. And it doesn't matter that both Witchers were based on some book series that was written before DA2 release. Those books didn't have interactive choices which affect the story outcome.

Witcher2 is just "let's make a game like Dragon Age 2, but with different story, stupid combat system, and unoptimized graphic engine". Nothing more.

0/10

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Wimbini wrote...

Seival wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

@Sevial

So the Witcher 2 was developed in the two months following DAII's release?

I really hope you're just trolling Seival. Because this is fairly idiotic, even by your standards,


DA2 was announced long before it was released. And everyone knew that DA2 will be similar to DA:O and Mass Effect in some particular aspects. Witcher2 devs have all reference needed to clone DA2. But the clone was pretty ugly...

...Posted Image

 
In that case DA2 was a DA:O clone and DA:O was a BG clone and BG was a clone from every other Pen and Paper RPG before it. 

What is your point?


Yes, in game development everyone use some else's ideas, or re-use their own previous ideas. But someone do it nicely, and someone else fails. DA2 wasn't a perfect game, but it was quite good. While Witcher2 was really bad in almost all aspects.

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Seival wrote...

Witcher2 was really bad in almost all aspects.


Care to elaborate, besides blanket statements about graphics, story, and cloning DA2?

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hornedfrog87 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

hornedfrog87 wrote...
Can't tell if this is a blatant jab towards Bioware with solid observations, or just a blatant jab towards Bioware with misleading statements for the sake of being bitter.

Or just Bioware not knowing how to plan out a trilogy. 

Not the point. This thread is nothing but a blatant jab and has no relevance to the campaign or story, thus it should be closed. 

I should close your post

Giving yourself an "owned" response, is the equivelent of liking your own facebook status. You should be ashamed. Statement still stands: this is thread is looking to be nothing more than a jab with no relevance to ME3 story or campaign. 


It's relevant because Bioware liked to state "choices" as the main selling point for this series, am I right?  Where the OP is stating that a game like Call of Duty is doing it better than a series based off their whole marketing.  

And yes, I like my own status all the time, you should be ashamed for not knowing this.  :lol:


With absolute zero examples of the plot or campaign to support his argument. There is no discussion as to what in ME3 or the ME3 trilogy was not an important decision. Still irrelevant and more BSN broken record wailing. 


Okay, so you're taking what other people have specifically stated from the game itself and not willing to see those as valid arguments?  

****, I'm no fan of COD since #4 and I'm not trying to defend them, but people who have played it have been bringing up valid points.  Since Black Ops 2 isn't even advertised to portray this type of detail, especially from their story aspect.  Where as Bioware thrives on this and their "choices" 

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Seival wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

@Sevial

So the Witcher 2 was developed in the two months following DAII's release?

I really hope you're just trolling Seival. Because this is fairly idiotic, even by your standards,


DA2 was announced long before it was released. And everyone knew that DA2 will be similar to DA:O and Mass Effect in some particular aspects. Witcher2 devs had all reference needed to clone DA2. But the clone was pretty ugly...

...Posted Image


Yes I see. You're either trolling or heavily delusional. I really hope it is the former.

Just a bit of data just for you:

The Witcher 2 announced september 2009.
DA2 announced august 2010.

Although I am really unable, try as I might, to see the similarities between these two games. But please, carry on you're oddysey to demonize anything not developed by EA Edmonton with blatant disregard for anything that might contradict your ill-informed opinion. It's entertaining.

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Seival wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

@Sevial

So the Witcher 2 was developed in the two months following DAII's release?

I really hope you're just trolling Seival. Because this is fairly idiotic, even by your standards,


DA2 was announced long before it was released. And everyone knew that DA2 will be similar to DA:O and Mass Effect in some particular aspects. Witcher2 devs had all reference needed to clone DA2. But the clone was pretty ugly...

...Posted Image

I see...

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dreamgazer wrote...

Seival wrote...

Witcher2 was really bad in almost all aspects.


Care to elaborate, besides blanket statements about graphics, story, and cloning DA2?


Seival is trolling at best.