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[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Mandatory, completely random and in some cases (The rich buisnessman's 8 year old daughter) downright wrong.

Who is with me?

[LolaLei]

Did that seriously happen in Dragon's Dogma?? (The 8 year old thing?)

[ARTHURIUSS]

Dragon's Dogma had a neat idea about the romance system but the way they implemented it was downright terrible. Also it's not not that random. The person who you have maximum affinity with becomes your LI.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

LolaLei wrote...

Did that seriously happen in Dragon's Dogma?? (The 8 year old thing?)

Apparently though unfortunately I cant find a video of it so you are just going to have to settle for the court Jester

<Warning> contains Dragon's Dogma spoilers <Warning>

ARTHURIUSS wrote...

Dragon's Dogma had a neat idea about the romance system but the way they implemented it was downright terrible. Also it's not not that random. The person who you have maximum affinity with becomes your LI.

Ok well technically it is the last person you raise to max affinity if you have multiple people at max affinity however unless you are metagaming you arent going to know this (or even the fact that there is a romance in this game) until the surprise romance reveal at the end.

Still it was pretty funny reading all the angry threads from homophobes when their characters were paired with the blacksmith or the innkeeper or some other male character.

Modifié par Mr Mxyzptlk, 16 novembre 2012 - 09:54 .

[Maria Caliban]

That would be awesome.

BioWare would never do this, but I can imagine the foamy rage bubbling out of the forum if they did.

[withneelandi]

I'm kind of scared to say this, but the entire LI/romance element of dragon age is probably my least favourite part of the game, fine when it links into the larger story like the dark ritual/morrigan sub plot or even leliana (is she a spy, is she trying to get close to the warden for info? etc) but some of the other LI sub plots feel included for the sake of having romances, and some of the characters began to feel like fan service and romance fodder in da2 (I'm naming no names for fear of wrath).

I know its a big deal for some people but if you removed romances from DA tomorrow, you probably wouldn't get any complaints from me, all that said, I thought the Dogma approach was utterly hilarious and baffling, if at times genuinely unsettling (The dukes wife looked REALLY young). One of the characters randomly moved into my house in dragons dogma, on completion of one of the sub quests, with no imput from me. She makes potions though, so no complaints.

So yes, why not, random creepy romances.

(All joking aside, there are lots of things I think Dragon Age could learn from Dragons Dogma but the approach to things like narrative, romances and such is definately not one of them...)

[thats1evildude]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

<Warning> contains Dragon's Dogma spoilers <Warning>

YOU'VE WATCHED IT, YOU CAN'T UNWATCH IT.

[wicked_being]

Well I'd very much would like it if the MC could hook up with anyone in the game but I don't think I want it to be as random as Dragon's Dogma did. The male Arisen whom I absolutely adored went through all hell to save the world and get the girl but who did I see running on the beach? The innkeeper with the creepy smile! A jape!

[Kidd]

withneelandi wrote...

I'm kind of scared to say this, but the entire LI/romance element of dragon age is probably my least favourite part of the game, fine when it links into the larger story like the dark ritual/morrigan sub plot or even leliana (is she a spy, is she trying to get close to the warden for info? etc) but some of the other LI sub plots feel included for the sake of having romances, and some of the characters began to feel like fan service and romance fodder in da2 (I'm naming no names for fear of wrath).

Zevran could still turn on you at any time to fulfill his job for Loghain. Alistair is deeply tied to the Landsmeet plot (which I'd argue makes him more important than Morrigan, since to me the archdemon fight at the end isn't what's interesting about the game).

The DA2 LIs are not all as tied into the main plot (Fenris and Merrill), though I'd say they're still tied to the narrative due to the nuance they bring to the whole mage/templar conflict by being from alien cultures.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Still it was pretty funny reading all the angry threads from homophobes when their characters were paired with the blacksmith or the innkeeper or some other male character.

Yeah because straight people sure get off on seeing two men at it. 



That's right, they don't so naturally they are going to be angry/disappointed/irrated when they see their character getting butt humped at the end. It's kinda like all the atheists here who were angry at the prospect of their character being a believer because atheists don't exist in Thedas according to David Gaider.

The romance system in DD was cause for anyone to get angry. I knew of the romance system and therefore none of what you described above happened to me but the fact that it was still forced seemed like a pretty big flaw to me and I didn't like any of the characters enough to want to romance them. Homophobia = fear of man BTW. Just correcting you and everyone else who incorrectly uses the word.

So that's a big NO to the worst romance system ever to be in a game. Hopefully Bioware never goes down the route of forcing romances onto us.

inb4 being accused of being a bigot by heterophobes because I'm a straight man who recognizes the fact that other straight men don't get off to seeing men kissing each other.

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 16 novembre 2012 - 01:34 .

[hexaligned]

Would be hilarious, I think my first PC ended up "romancing" that fat bald weapons dealer from Gran Soren. Damn you Golden idol.

[syllogi]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Homophobia = fear of man BTW. Just correcting you and everyone else who incorrectly uses the word.

"Phobia" can also refer to an aversion, which is what homophobia is.  It is not used incorrectly when speaking of intolerance or hatred of homosexuality.

And of course there's nothing wrong with being unhappy about being forced into a surprise romance, even if it's your own sexual orientation, but if people were making nasty remarks about homosexuality in general while complaining, well that's just rude.

[Xilizhra]

Yeah because straight people sure get off on seeing two men at it.

Well, about half of straight people have a good chance of enjoying that. Have you ever heard of yaoi?

[AlexJK]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Homophobia = fear of man BTW. Just correcting you and everyone else who incorrectly uses the word.

No, it doesn't. The word homophobia comes from the Greek stem "hom" meaning same, in this case same sex. Androphobia is the term for fear of men, and anthropophobia is the fear of people.

[Ieldra]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...
Still it was pretty funny reading all the angry threads from homophobes when their characters were paired with the blacksmith or the innkeeper or some other male character.

You don't have to be a homophobe to object to being forced into a romance against your preferred sexual orientation. This is very different from having problems with others doing it.

[sharkboy421]

You have to be aware of the romance system before hand but its not that hard to only have a single romance in DD.  In Gran Soren just unsheathe and sheathe in front of who ever you don't want to romance.  It will freak them out and lower their affinity to you.  Or if you don't mind being thrown in the dungeon just hit, I think one hit is all it takes to drop their affinity to the minimum.  It does not affect the game in any other way.

But back on topic.  The idea of being able to romance anyone is kinda neat but DD fell down, hard, on the implementation.  DD was one of my favorite surprises this year.  I really like the game and am excited for the new expansion pack for it coming next year.  But one thing it just simply did not do well was any type of narrative.  The main story was there but very weak and the romances were practically non-existent.  As someone stated earlier, there are some things Bioware could take from DD, but romances are not one of them.

[hexaligned]

Elton John is dead wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Still it was pretty funny reading all the angry threads from homophobes when their characters were paired with the blacksmith or the innkeeper or some other male character.

Yeah because straight people sure get off on seeing two men at it. 



That's right, they don't so naturally they are going to be angry/disappointed/irrated when they see their character getting butt humped at the end. It's kinda like all the atheists here who were angry at the prospect of their character being a believer because atheists don't exist in Thedas according to David Gaider.

The romance system in DD was cause for anyone to get angry. I knew of the romance system and therefore none of what you described above happened to me but the fact that it was still forced seemed like a pretty big flaw to me and I didn't like any of the characters enough to want to romance them. Homophobia = fear of man BTW. Just correcting you and everyone else who incorrectly uses the word.

So that's a big NO to the worst romance system ever to be in a game. Hopefully Bioware never goes down the route of forcing romances onto us.

inb4 being accused of being a bigot by heterophobes because I'm a straight man who recognizes the fact that other straight men don't get off to seeing men kissing each other.

What?  I'm a straight dude, I laughed my ass off at the "suprise" romance of my first PC.  Then again I don't remember any "butt humping" going on.  In any case anger seems like an oddly strong emotional responce towards characters that had less depth than the average Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle.

Edit:  Speaking of Dragons Dogma in general, where the hell is my Hard Mode already Capcom.

Modifié par relhart, 16 novembre 2012 - 04:32 .

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

Mandatory, completely random and in some cases (The rich buisnessman's 8 year old daughter) downright wrong.

Who is with me?

BioWare's current way of doing things is just fine as far as romances are concerned. An 8 year old? No thanks. That's just gross. There's no comedy there, just squick.

[LolaLei]

thats1evildude wrote...

Mr Mxyzptlk wrote...

<Warning> contains Dragon's Dogma spoilers <Warning>

YOU'VE WATCHED IT, YOU CAN'T UNWATCH IT.

Woah... 

[sunnydxmen]

I love dragon dogma I always felt that some npc were to hot not to be romances and dragon age, I hear by demand it mwa hahahhahha.

[rapscallioness]

Romances like Dragon's Dogma?

No. No, thank you. I thought they were pretty awful. I absolutely do not want this.

[RinpocheSchnozberry]

Great, so we'll all end up romancing HK47.

[Battlebloodmage]

I don't mind NPC romance, as long as it's not ninjaromance.

[Shadow Fox]

Hell no DD's "romance" system was terrible *remembers the lesbian pedophile his first character became*