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[Farosyrn]

I used to choose the Widow exclusively before the patch...never really could get myself to like the BW. Since the buff, though, I'm able to one shot any mook in the game with it, though, so I really don't see the point of not using it anymore. You can Energy Drain the first marauder, kill him in one body shot, and still have two shots to finish of the second marauder/two cannibals/your grandma. Since for some reason my BW is still only at II, though, I'm trying to get back to using the Javelin, though. Stress on 'trying'.

[OniGanon]

It's a hell of a lot easier to get a Widow X than a BW X, and Widow X weighs much less than low level BW.

Widow also meshes better with the cooldowns of some powers.

If what you REALLY meant to ask was, "Is there any reason for an Infiltrator to take Widow over Black Widow?' then the answer would be no, since Infiltrators don't really care about the weight and can bodyshot enemies with a BW.

[HolyAvenger]

The real question should be...Valiant or BW?

[Stardusk]

OniGanon wrote...

It's a hell of a lot easier to get a Widow X than a BW X, and Widow X weighs much less than low level BW.

Widow also meshes better with the cooldowns of some powers.

If what you REALLY meant to ask was, "Is there any reason for an Infiltrator to take Widow over Black Widow?' then the answer would be no, since Infiltrators don't really care about the weight and can bodyshot enemies with a BW.

Infiltrators care about weight imo.

[Stardusk]

HolyAvenger wrote...

The real question should be...Valiant or BW?

Seeing as how my Valiant is I and my BW X, that is no question for me.

[HolyAvenger]

Stardusk wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

The real question should be...Valiant or BW?

Seeing as how my Valiant is I and my BW X, that is no question for me.

I have a BW I and a Valiant IV. Its a tough call.

Valiant is more than capable of holding its own on Plat www.youtube.com/watch (yes, its a PUG, bad time, blah blah)

[IRONSAM96]

I'm definitely more of a Valiant guy.  I always get better results with it.

HolyAvenger wrote...

The real question should be...Valiant or BW?

[Stardusk]

HolyAvenger wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

The real question should be...Valiant or BW?

Seeing as how my Valiant is I and my BW X, that is no question for me.

I have a BW I and a Valiant IV. Its a tough call.

Valiant is more than capable of holding its own on Plat www.youtube.com/watch (yes, its a PUG, bad time, blah blah)

I don't doubt that but having it at I, I would rather take the Viper X tbh.

[HolyAvenger]

Stardusk wrote...


I don't doubt that but having it at I, I would rather take the Viper X tbh.

I've been trying the Viper for the challenge. Its the definition of meh. It simply doesn't hit hard enough, making moving targets a pain to kill.

[Sovereign24]

I've always been a Widow guy. Using a BW is almost pointless for me as I instinctively reload after the first shot, given that I've used the Widow for so long .

Modifié par Sovereign24, 16 novembre 2012 - 02:54 .

[ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame]

In-game tips ->The higher the rarity the better
BioWare -> Lets make our in-game tips lie and "balance" them all to be as good as one another
Community -> What the hell? BioWare this is dumb!

[sonofabumdooda]

Stardusk wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

The real question should be...Valiant or BW?

Seeing as how my Valiant is I and my BW X, that is no question for me.

I have a BW I and a Valiant IV. Its a tough call.

Valiant is more than capable of holding its own on Plat www.youtube.com/watch (yes, its a PUG, bad time, blah blah)

I don't doubt that but having it at I, I would rather take the Viper X tbh.

I've got a Valiant VI and a BW VII
I use the BW if I've drunk my coffee and can actually hit things
and the Valiant if I haven't (its the worlds most forgiving SR)

I think even a Val at X should be out damaged by a mid - high level BW
(think there was another thread about it)

Stardusk
I'm jealous if your Valiants at I have you got a monster hurricane or crusader hidden in your cupboard?
( I have strange love for the Crusader)

[Stardusk]

sonofabumdooda wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

Stardusk wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

The real question should be...Valiant or BW?

Seeing as how my Valiant is I and my BW X, that is no question for me.

I have a BW I and a Valiant IV. Its a tough call.

Valiant is more than capable of holding its own on Plat www.youtube.com/watch (yes, its a PUG, bad time, blah blah)

I don't doubt that but having it at I, I would rather take the Viper X tbh.

I've got a Valiant VI and a BW VII
I use the BW if I've drunk my coffee and can actually hit things
and the Valiant if I haven't (its the worlds most forgiving SR)

I think even a Val at X should be out damaged by a mid - high level BW
(think there was another thread about it)

Stardusk
I'm jealous if your Valiants at I have you got a monster hurricane or crusader hidden in your cupboard?
( I have strange love for the Crusader)

No, I have a strange low level mixture of everything, mostly IIIs and IIs...bleh.

[Grunt_Platform]

Even if you ignore the Black Widow >>> Widow problem, (which, OK, we can deal with that)... the Widow should be as good as the Claymore. They're the same rarity, and they both mesh with some of the same builds.

I suppose it meshes better with Adrenaline Rush than the Black Widow. And if you need a heavy single shot sniper, it's easier to mod up a Widow without getting the ludicrous cooldowns you do with the Javelin.

[sonofabumdooda]

[quote]Stardusk wrote...

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No, I have a strange low level mixture of everything, mostly IIIs and IIs...bleh.

[/quote]

yeah me too apart from valiant I seem to get the upgrades spread around evenly.

[MichaelFinnegan]

EvanKester wrote...

Even if you ignore the Black Widow >>> Widow problem, (which, OK, we can deal with that)... the Widow should be as good as the Claymore. They're the same rarity, and they both mesh with some of the same builds.

I suppose it meshes better with Adrenaline Rush than the Black Widow. And if you need a heavy single shot sniper, it's easier to mod up a Widow without getting the ludicrous cooldowns you do with the Javelin.

Hmm. Here's a thought. How about reducing the hip fire penalty for the Widow? By the way, what's that penatly for the BW and Widow, and even the Javelin?

[Tortugueta]

Stardusk wrote...

 Having experimented extensively with both, the BW seems better in every respect. True, it is a UR but the Claymore holds its own against many URs. I think the Widow could use yet another damage buff. Something. It is certainly NOT the Claymore of snipers. Anyway, I am done trying it; the BW is better in virtually every regard.

I agree, although I'm afraid I have not experimented extensively. Only experimented.

[OniGanon]

Stardusk wrote...

Infiltrators care about weight imo.

Well you don't want to be -200%, but anything higher than 50% is fine IMO.

MichaelFinnegan wrote...
By the way, what's that penatly for the BW and Widow, and even
the Javelin?

Kishock has no penalty, Raptor and Viper 15%, Krysae and CSR 25%, Mantis a whopping 65%. Everything else is 50%.

Modifié par OniGanon, 16 novembre 2012 - 03:24 .

[Deerber]

HolyAvenger wrote...

The real question should be...Valiant or BW?

The only possible reason I can see why you would ask such a question is if BW was I and Valiant X. In any other case, there's no real question to me :innocent:

[Influ]

HolyAvenger wrote...

The real question should be...Valiant or BW?

 
On an Infiltrator, BW hands down. It does a crapton more damage per cloak cycle. With other classes it's a lot closer though and the Valiant has a relatively large edge in weight.

[HolyAvenger]

Deerber wrote...

HolyAvenger wrote...

The real question should be...Valiant or BW?

The only possible reason I can see why you would ask such a question is if BW was I and Valiant X. In any other case, there's no real question to me :innocent:

Really? No recoil, super fast reloads. Good damage (not as high as BW, but not bad).

I have a BW I and a Valiant IV. I find them about on par on Plat.

[Clearly Balkan]

I like to equip Widow on Salarian Infiltrator.

First reason is weight, but I just love to play with regular Widow.

Second reason is recoil. If I equip Black Widow without Stabilization Module III, it kicks like a mule.

On the other hand, Black Widow is my primary/secondary weapon on Geth Infiltrator.

Javelin is my first choice but I roll with Black Widow also.

[OniGanon]

sonofabumdooda wrote...

I use the BW if I've drunk my coffee and can actually hit things
and the Valiant if I haven't (its the worlds most forgiving SR)

Indeed.

Missing with a Javelin or Widow is like learning your puppy just died.

Missing with BW feels like a punch in the gut.

Missing with Valiant? Meh, who cares?

[Riot Inducer]

Well I'd say the biggest edge the Widow has is the greater inherent piercing. I ended up having to switch to a piercing mod on my BW because I kept wasting shots trying to knock enemies out of cover that i could easily have pierced with the regular Widow.

Another thing is the level disparity. I still wouldn't have a BW in MP if it wasn't for the kindness of the N7 day pack so BW I vs Widow X isn't very clear cut comparison.

[RecoonHoodie]

Because I love to play with one-shot elephant snipers that dont have shot-delay?