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Since the game is called Inquisition I hope we can play a real true evil character...


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Maria Caliban

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Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Why on earth does the real world connotations have to have any bearing on the organization in game?


Because words have meanings and associations. That's why in Star Wars, Empire's army is made up of 'Stormtroopers' and not the happy, fluffy bunny brigade.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Why on earth does the real world connotations have to have any bearing on the organization in game?


Because words have meanings and associations. That's why in Star Wars, Empire's army is made up of 'Stormtroopers' and not the happy, fluffy bunny brigade.


It'd be funnier that way.

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Sign me up, ill convert everyone

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I can expect the option to be ruthless, and use any means neccessary in order to acheive the main goal..

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Why on earth does the real world connotations have to have any bearing on the organization in game?


Because words have meanings and associations. That's why in Star Wars, Empire's army is made up of 'Stormtroopers' and not the happy, fluffy bunny brigade.


While this is true, claiming that the only possible reference "Inquisition" in the title could be making is to the Spanish Catholic Inquisition just speaks to a narrow frame of reference.  

Furthermore, we do not know which elements of said Inquisition the Dragon Age version would take.  It could keep the "empowered by religious authorities to investigate" aspect and not the objective of rooting out heresy by any means necessary up to and including torture part.  It is too early to assume we know what we're talking about just because we have a word.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 18 novembre 2012 - 12:38 .


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JWvonGoethe wrote...

but a character who has his or her own system of morality that is often completely at odds with that of most reasonable people - to the extent that such a character could be seen as evil - would be most welcome.

I basically always play that character.

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If you want to go with in universe connotations, rather than real world connotations.

http://dragonage.wik...eekers_of_Truth
The Inquisition once hunted heretics and cultists as well as mages, and their reign of terror ended only with the inception of the Circle of Magi.

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There are two sorts of evil characters in games. The first sort is the polar opposite of the DnD paladin: The Evil Stupid. Judging from how often the archetype pops up, this seems to be the most desired form of evil player character. The Evil Stupid is gratuitously rude, violent and capricious. He (as he is almost always male) tells the local monarch off, molests said monarch's pet dog and burns down the local orphanage. I will never play that character.

The evil character I want to play has read the Evil Overlord's list and is self controlled and polite, even under stress. She may want to rule the world, but she is going to make it seem like a good idea to her future subjects. I very much want that character in a game.

Modifié par mousestalker, 18 novembre 2012 - 04:28 .


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Considering I plan to roleplay my first character as a Warhammer 40,000 ][nquisitor, I approve of being able to be an insanely self righteous bastard who burns people at the stake for the pettiest reasons imaginable.

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Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Why on earth does the real world connotations have to have any bearing on the organization in game?


Because that is what people think of when they hear "Inquisition".  Although the denotative meaning is pretty harmless, by connotation people will associate it with a pretty dark time in human history.  The word Holocaust just refers to a burnt offering (to a deity) but I doubt you can mention that word without people thinking WWII and genocide.  

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JasonPogo wrote...

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To be fair the title merely references an Inquisition not the Inquisition.


Obviously, but ANY Inquasition is a negative thing.  The Definition if Inquasition I have is

:an investigation conducted wtth little regard for individual rights


I'm sorry that you have that definition in your head, but it isnt correct.

Literally Inquisition comes form Inquisitive. Inquisitive just means seaking knowledge, through questions, interrogations, torture, original research, it hardly matters which they are all Inquisitors. Every Scientist in the world (more or less) is an Inquisitor, one who is Inquisitive.

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Archereon wrote...

Considering I plan to roleplay my first character as a Warhammer 40,000 ][nquisitor, I approve of being able to be an insanely self righteous bastard who burns people at the stake for the pettiest reasons imaginable.


Lol me to.

Burn the witch! Purge the heretic! Cleanse the Alien! In the name of the Emperor!

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ghostmessiah202 wrote...

JasonPogo wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

To be fair the title merely references an Inquisition not the Inquisition.


Obviously, but ANY Inquasition is a negative thing.  The Definition if Inquasition I have is

:an investigation conducted wtth little regard for individual rights


I'm sorry that you have that definition in your head, but it isnt correct.

Literally Inquisition comes form Inquisitive. Inquisitive just means seaking knowledge, through questions, interrogations, torture, original research, it hardly matters which they are all Inquisitors. Every Scientist in the world (more or less) is an Inquisitor, one who is Inquisitive.


yea because none of these games and what not aren't based on real life events andor legends/myths at all.

Honestly when you ask ANYONE about the Inquistion the first thing you will hear is either spanish or torcher in the name of a god.

While yes that used to be the orginal meaning. language is a very maluable thing. and if anything where to tarnish the name of a word, Inquisition has been tarnish to meaning a time in history when people got torchered and had to confess to lies, just to stop the pain.

Yea people still accept the word Inquisitive because its not the word Inquisition. In fact the term Inquisition is still used in a negitive context. So while you like the "pureist" standpoint of what the word means. language has evoled past you.

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ghostmessiah202 wrote...

I'm sorry that you have that definition in your head, but it isnt correct.

Literally Inquisition comes form Inquisitive. Inquisitive just means seaking knowledge, through questions, interrogations, torture, original research, it hardly matters which they are all Inquisitors. Every Scientist in the world (more or less) is an Inquisitor, one who is Inquisitive.


*snort*

It ISN'T correct?  You aren't seriously suggesting that the people at BW that named this game didn't take real world conotations into consideration?  Every time I've heard the word "Inquisition" or "Inquisitor" there has been an understanding of certain level of religious zelaotry involved.  That included W4DK, since you mentioned it yourself.

Here's an idea.  Go find a scientist.  Any scientist at all.  Tell him/her that they're an Inquisitor.  Then come back and tell us if they understood that you mean tthey were merely an inquisitive person, or instead if they thought you were suggesting they were a fanatic of some kind.

"isn't correct"  lol

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BUT IT'S NOT TRUE!!!

The only reason people think it was that bad is due to GENERATIONS OF PROTESTANT PROPAGANDA.

So I hope (probs falsely) that the game will be balanced in it's treatment of the Inquisition.

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Ausstig wrote...

JasonPogo wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

To be fair the title merely references an Inquisition not the Inquisition.


Obviously, but ANY Inquasition is a negative thing.  The Definition if Inquasition I have is

:an investigation conducted wtth little regard for individual rights



:lol::lol::lol::lol:, you do know that the Spainish Inquistion banned witch trials? Said that witch craft did not exist and created the idea of 'Burdne of Proof', ie innocent until proven guilt. 

now a few facts from TV Tropes; 'Fair for it's day' http://tvtropes.org/...n/FairForItsDay It's under real life.

The Inquisition is usually portrayed as a sinister and oppressive organization. However, The Papal Inquisition was the first European secret police more than anything else. The Inquisition was also revolutionary lenient for its time, as it limited the use of torture (which was very common in secular courts), allowed the defendants legal representation, and issued death sentences much less often than in municipal proceedings where petty thieves usually were sent to swing. However all this pales compared to the fact that the Inquisition rose above its contemporary courts in placing the burden of evidence on the prosecutorImage IPB.And the Spanish Inquisition ended witch trials in Spain a full century before the rest of Europe because it required scientific proof of witchcraft — not just eyewitness accounts.In the late 16th Century the Spanish Inquisition ruled that there was no such thing as witchcraft and declared all those who claimed to be witches lunatics. This did not, however, stop magistrates courts and municipal authorities hanging hundreds, possibly thousands, of people as 'witches' regardless. Also, the great share of the Protestant-burning done in the Netherlands was done by the Dutch Inquisition.It's also worth noting that the Inquisition went through phases in its history. Initially, it was completely a church-controlled organizaiton. At that point, the secular governments routinely complained that it was way too lenient with heretics and such, just educating them as to their theological errors and sending them on their way. It was when the Inquisition was broken up into national, government-controlled organizations (like the Spanish Inquisition) that it became much harsher.[/list]


Bumping this post because people are still "Inquisition evil lolol"

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Well, there are plenty of references to torture in DAO. You witness some incidents; you are told about others. So torture is a part of this world.

I personally would love to play a lawful evil character. I have no interest in playing a chaotic stupid one, which is what you normally see in video games.