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[Sol Downer]

Trista, I love you for this.

[ProfessionalPirate]

*Applauds* Been saying it for years. I've got a hand-and-a-half sword, also known as a bastard sword, and it honestly couldn't way more than two pounds. Plus its well balanced so feels like its even less, really. Although, the only thing it cuts are snowmen during the winter season, lol.

[upsettingshorts]

When people, or at least, when I, say that the swords are too big... it's not about the length.

It's about how broad the blade is. In Dragon Age, they can be wide enough to do double-duty as a shovel. It's silly.

Anyway, I'm sure BioWare artists know what swords looked like. They can Google too.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 novembre 2012 - 05:32 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

"They can Google too" = "they can/have done their own research."

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 17 novembre 2012 - 05:52 .

[ProfessionalPirate]

Also, who says a fantastical sword would be unbalanced? Look at Narsil from Lord of the Rings (the movie) Because they made the pommel hollow they had to extend both it and the blade. So if I am remebering, the blade was a little over three feet long, and the handle about another foot. So like, 4 1/3 feet long total. It only weighed in at, like a pound. 16 ounces or so. My arm wouldn't get overly tired swinging that. One of the tools for my job ( a pole to help me reach high up windows) is 8 feet long and weighs more than that


Edit: well yeah, duh. That doesn't even look like a sword. 



Maybe the experiments on Fenris help him lift it?

Modifié par ProfessionalPirate, 17 novembre 2012 - 05:43 .

[upsettingshorts]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

Nope I've read complaints about how long they are as well - about how they seem to dip/drag. I've read that before numerous times. I've also read "how can a woman or an elf carry it? It's too heavy."

And as a response to those complaints, this is fine.  In any event, I don't involve myself in the "weapons should be more realistic because realism is good" arguments, I do however assert that personally I feel like real weapons look cooler than fantasy weapons.  Which is a different argument.

In terms of what I think you mean by dipping and dragging, how many contemporary soldiers carried said weapons by floating them on their backs, blade down as they jogged?

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

And I didn't google these pictures. I photographed them just tonight.

Unless youre the first person to photograph them ever, then I hardly see how it matters as far as BioWare artists' awareness goes.  

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 novembre 2012 - 05:40 .

[FaWa]

I certainly wouldn't mind if Alistair's sword got significantly larger for DA3

Modifié par FaWa, 17 novembre 2012 - 05:41 .

[AxeloftheKey]

Fantastic. Makes me want Polearms in DA3. Make that happen, Bioware!

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

I'm cool with huge weapons, I just don't want to see Two-Handed Sword Flying Bumbah Attacks like we did in DA II. Those were stupid-looking and ridiculous.

Modifié par The Teryn of Whatever, 17 novembre 2012 - 05:43 .

[FaWa]

LOL that pic made me realize how derpy DA2 Darkspawn look

[Pink Pony]

FaWa wrote...

I certainly wouldn't mind if Alistair's sword got significantly larger for DA3

I can’t help but read that in a sexual manner.

Modifié par Pink Pony, 17 novembre 2012 - 05:45 .

[syllogi]

I don't think of the kinds of swords in the OP when I think of DA2 weapons. I think "Buster Sword."

I mean, really.

[upsettingshorts]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

@angrypants: How many people can carry 100+ things in their pockets on top of gold coins? After buying so many backpacks, maybe the protag should be animated with a duffel bag?

It's a bit early in the discussion to be breaking out the straw men.

The point is in such cases, where objections are raised in regards to how silly a particular weapon looks, it's not always really about the weapon itself, but about the way in which it is equipped.  The weapons-floating-on-backs-thing is just something BioWare does with its weapons, much to my persistent annoyance, and even if you put realistically sized weapons in that position it will, to me, look incredibly silly.  

In any case it's not even really on-topic for your thread, I was only responding to my interpretation of what you meant by dipping and dragging.

As far the weapon styles themselves go, I'd be very happy if the blade width of the swords in DA3 more closely matched the ones in your photos than the screenshot from DA2 posted above.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 17 novembre 2012 - 05:46 .

[FaWa]

Pink Pony wrote...

FaWa wrote...

I certainly wouldn't mind if Alistair's sword got significantly larger for DA3

I can’t help but read that in a sexual manner.

That awkward moment when I actually meant that in a sexual manner.

[Pink Pony]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

@angrypants: How many people can carry 100+ things in their pockets on top of gold coins? After buying so many backpacks, maybe the protag should be animated with a duffel bag?

A duffel bag wouldn’t be enough. My typical character would  need a wagon to carry all they took with them.

Modifié par Pink Pony, 17 novembre 2012 - 05:47 .

[ProfessionalPirate]

Trista Faux Hawke wrote...

@angrypants: How many people can carry 100+ things in their pockets on top of gold coins? After buying so many backpacks, maybe the protag should be animated with a duffel bag?

She can.






http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-l5NbVzwQg-4/Tzv9lyZkyuI/AAAAAAAACYk/MaElMX0OVUw/s1600/mar+poppin's+bag.jpg

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

I think this might weigh more than 5 pounds. And this. And this.

The fact that real greatswords were not heavy doesn't mean a fantasy sword that has approximately five times as much material as the real sword wouldn't be heavy. Also the fantasy swords don't appear very balanced, so. I don't get your point.

syllogi wrote...

I don't think of the kinds of swords in the OP when I think of DA2 weapons. I think "Buster Sword."

I mean, really.

lol yeup. I am hoping they're aiming for middle ground for weapon designs in DA3. Somehow make the chunky spiky awesome designs slightly less chunky, mayhap.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 17 novembre 2012 - 05:51 .

[silentassassin264]

 Something you might not have noticed about swords since you probably are not a swordsman, greatswords are big hence the name.  Greatswords are also light.  The "bigness" from a greatsword is the increased length to increase range over the considerably shorter and heftier medieval swords.  You may notice in your photograph that the blade on that greatsword is not thicker than the human in the image's leg.  Greatswords were about mobility and quickness so it does make sense for them to have a high attack speed.  They also were very long.  They were not, however, as wide as tree truck.  Dragon Age's weapons look ridiculous because the "girth" of said swords is not remotely close to realistic or practical.  Nobody would use a twohanded sword that was a big as the ones in Dragon Age can be, because with no shield, you would be a sitting duck.
In short,

 =/= 

[Pink Pony]

FaWa wrote...

Pink Pony wrote...

FaWa wrote...

I certainly wouldn't mind if Alistair's sword got significantly larger for DA3

I can’t help but read that in a sexual manner.

That awkward moment when I actually meant that in a sexual manner.

Good, I had thought you had meant it that way, but I couldn’t be  certain, as I tend to take everything in a slightly sexual manner; which provides me with much amusement.

Modifié par Pink Pony, 17 novembre 2012 - 05:50 .

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

FaWa wrote...

LOL that pic made me realize how derpy DA2 Darkspawn look

That redesign was made of pure FAIL. I hope that the Darkspawn, should they appear again (which would not be surprising), will get a re-redesign the way the elves in Inquisition are supposed to getting...