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[Kajagoogoo3]

 I'm sure the Grey Wardens will probably head down to the Deep Roads and exterminate the darkspawn once and for all. 

[Kileyan]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

What did the dream version of Duncan say in Origins?

"The Grey Wardens shall be keepers of history. We shall tell tales and sing songs of a more tumultous time that others may rejoice in knowing that time is spent."

Possible, but I doubt it. They'd be less in demand that way. More likely they'd do what the mod said.

A lot of cynicism here.  Other than a few lines about a single group of warden who got into politics, I don't see much proof that the Wardens are some kind of bullying order of power seeking soldiers who run around making up conflicts in order to lead their glamoruous life of visions, bad dreams and slowly dying of poison.

They'd likely just carry on their traditions until the last of them died out. There is not much reason to think they'd strive to become a new power in Thedas, since they have always had a much better opportunity to do exactly that when they had the leverage of the blights to propel them to power. Instead, at the end of each blight, they time and again started sliding into obscruity and obselecence, as the populace forgot the blights and wanted to forget the Wardens.

What I am saying is, why wait until their leverage was gone, to suddenly decide they wanted to swindle the populace into making them warrior kings or whatever you imagine they would want, but never sought after when they were in a better position to achieve it.

Modifié par Kileyan, 21 novembre 2012 - 11:59 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Kileyan wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

What did the dream version of Duncan say in Origins?

"The Grey Wardens shall be keepers of history. We shall tell tales and sing songs of a more tumultous time that others may rejoice in knowing that time is spent."

Possible, but I doubt it. They'd be less in demand that way. More likely they'd do what the mod said.

A lot of cynicism here.  Other than a few lines about a single group of warden who got into politics, I don't see much proof that the Wardens are some kind of bullying order of power seeking soldiers who run around making up conflicts in order to lead their glamoruous life of visions, bad dreams and slowly dying of poison.

They'd likely just carry on their traditions until the last of them died out. There is not much reason to think they'd strive to become a new power in Thedas, since they have always had a much better opportunity to do exactly that when they had the leverage of the blights to propel them to power. Instead, at the end of each blight, they time and again started sliding into obscruity and obselecence, as the populace forgot the blights and wanted to forget the Wardens.

What I am saying is, why wait until their leverage was gone, to suddenly decide they wanted to swindle the populace into making them warrior kings or whatever you imagine they would want, but never sought after when they were in a better position to achieve it.

Because when the Blights are no longer a threat, they're out of a job. If they can't find someone else to fight, they'll probably either disband or lose a lot of revenue.

Edit: The Anderfels Wardens are an important exception. They'll probably end up getting new employment pretty easily.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 22 novembre 2012 - 12:09 .

[Jonata]

The Wardens does not live past 40 or 50 years old at best, so it's higly unlikely that they'll try to find something else to do after the last Blight will be defeated. They'll probably do what the fake Duncan said... and basically party all night and all day until the very last of them will die out because of the Taint.

[ValliLilli]

The Darksprawn won't magically disappear after the last Blight. Even between the Blights they still live in the Deep Roads. There will be darksprawn to deal with, they just will be less organized. However looking on a whole mess of Templar-Mage war and all signs saying Something Big will happen there may be no need for the Grey Wardens soon enough. We will see.

[SPOILERS for Dragonriders of Pern ahead]
The situation would be similar to this of Dragonriders of Pern when they finally destroyed Tread for good. Lessa and F'lar for example made sure that the Dragonriders have another occupation after the thread is over and arranged for the riders to be assign land so they don't have to relay on the Lord Holders. With ony one Blight left the Grey Wardens could do similar arrangments to transform the Order into something else to let it still be of use. 
[End of the spoilers]

Modifié par ValliLilli, 22 novembre 2012 - 02:38 .

[Kileyan]

Nizaris1 wrote...



No Blight no job

In Thedas, anything can happen

You act like they have some sort of cushy job with lots of benefits that they are willing to lie and cheat to continue.

People are not exactly lining up for this job. Wardens are poisoned and dying from the minute they are hired. The only benefits are likely some tail they can get at the local pub when they tell the: I am dying of terminal illness story.

Its like some poor smucks in a post apocalyptic society cleaning up nuclear waste, slowly dying from it, and when its all done, they dump all that waste out on the ground again, to continue their job security.......really now?

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Kileyan wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

No Blight no job

In Thedas, anything can happen

You act like they have some sort of cushy job with lots of benefits that they are willing to lie and cheat to continue.

People are not exactly lining up for this job. Wardens are poisoned and dying from the minute they are hired. The only benefits are likely some tail they can get at the local pub when they tell the: I am dying of terminal illness story.

Its like some poor smucks in a post apocalyptic society cleaning up nuclear waste, slowly dying from it, and when its all done, they dump all that waste out on the ground again, to continue their job security.......really now?

While I doubt they'd actually do what Nizaris is suggesting, or even that they could, the fact remains they have more benefits than you're implying. The Warden-Commander of Ferelden owns a castle, the dwarves apparently have a place for them in the noble quarter, and according to Riordan the Ander Wardens are more popular than the sitting king. Not to mention that according to Zevran the Wardens are mostly immune to Crow contracts. (At least in theory.) And since he says the Antivan cops go well out of their way to not mess with the Crows, how do you think they treat the Wardens?

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 22 novembre 2012 - 03:36 .

[rapscallioness]

I can't help but see the Wardens becoming corrupted as an organization and...taking over Thedas.

Especially if there are no more Blights because they won't have to worry about the taint thing. Joining Ritual would be symbolic only..as Han pointed out.

Nations are very gracious to the Wardens right after a blight is ended. Wardens in positions of power. A networked paramilitary org. The whole Weisshaupt situation I see as a precursor. There are many kings that could be seen as weak, or otherwise unacceptable...

Power is seductive. And they already want to expand their political influence ala DAA.

And I'd actually like to play that game. Lol. Wardens that have de-evolved as an org. The bad guys. Hmm..

[Kileyan]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...



While I doubt they'd actually do what Nizaris is suggesting, or even that they could, the fact remains they have more benefits than you're implying. The Warden-Commander of Ferelden owns a castle, the dwarves apparently have a place for them in the noble quarter, and according to Riordan the Ander Wardens are more popular than the sitting king. Not to mention that according to Zevran the Wardens are mostly immune to Crow contracts. (At least in theory.) And since he says the Antivan cops go well out of their way to not mess with the Crows, how do you think they treat the Wardens?

The Warden owns a castle because he took it back from a pack of demons and undead, not because it was deeded to him with all the rights of taxes and such a noble has. He has a cold bunch of stones and the few people who serve out of loyalty, not a mini kingdom.

What was that other perk, he is mostly protected from assassination from the most honorable of assassins who would follow such a rule? Really?

That other perk, they have a place of honor in the kingdom of dwarves? THey are living like kings because they get free room and board that and some lichen ale if they visit Orzimar(spelling?).
I think I can safely say the Warden are not living a life of luxury and decadence still.

I belabor this point because it seems obvious to me that if the Wardens wanted power and riches, the time to do it would have been during the centuries where they had leverage, where they held the world in their hands, as the only ones able to stop the blights.

Why would they wait until the power was out of their hands to decide to become unscrupulous bastards and seek such power and riches?

People say because they are out of a job now! Their job was never glamorous or full of riches way back then, if that was what drove them, they'd have done it already, not just because they were worried about the unemployment line.

Blah just rambling I miss the Wardens:)

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Kileyan wrote...

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...



While I doubt they'd actually do what Nizaris is suggesting, or even that they could, the fact remains they have more benefits than you're implying. The Warden-Commander of Ferelden owns a castle, the dwarves apparently have a place for them in the noble quarter, and according to Riordan the Ander Wardens are more popular than the sitting king. Not to mention that according to Zevran the Wardens are mostly immune to Crow contracts. (At least in theory.) And since he says the Antivan cops go well out of their way to not mess with the Crows, how do you think they treat the Wardens?

The Warden owns a castle because he took it back from a pack of demons and undead, not because it was deeded to him with all the rights of taxes and such a noble has. He has a cold bunch of stones and the few people who serve out of loyalty, not a mini kingdom.

Wrong castle.

What was that other perk, he is mostly protected from assassination from the most honorable of assassins who would follow such a rule? Really?

No, the perk is that the Crows don't dare mess with the Wardens. Zevran did it only as a suicide attempt, remember?

That other perk, they have a place of honor in the kingdom of dwarves? THey are living like kings because they get free room and board that and some lichen ale if they visit Orzimar(spelling?).
I think I can safely say the Warden are not living a life of luxury and decadence still.

In the noble district. And since the dwarves are too proud to even be related to casteless, I can't imagine they'd live down the street from someplace that isn't luxury and decadance.

I belabor this point because it seems obvious to me that if the Wardens wanted power and riches, the time to do it would have been during the centuries where they had leverage, where they held the world in their hands, as the only ones able to stop the blights.

Why would they wait until the power was out of their hands to decide to become unscrupulous bastards and seek such power and riches?

They haven't. Amaranthine, Soldier's Peak. And a lot of Wardens say they should just take over the Anderfels outright. Besides, all I'm saying is that they'd find a new enemy. I'm not saying they'd take over the world, just that they'd try to do at least as well as they are. Probably better, since whoever's next probably doesn't require the Joining to fight.

People say because they are out of a job now! Their job was never glamorous or full of riches way back then, if that was what drove them, they'd have done it already, not just because they were worried about the unemployment line.

Blah just rambling I miss the Wardens:)

Understandable.

[JerZey CJ]

"In peace, vigilance" I imagine they'd keep watch and become protectors.

[n7stormrunner]

take a good look around, decide these people are insane and move to the fade... or take over thedas

[Chaos Lord Malek]

The same that Teutonic Knights did. And end up same like Templars ended (Real ones).

[fchopin]

They would kill themselves so there would be no more monsters.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

fchopin wrote...

They would kill themselves so there would be no more monsters.

Some of them, at least. Probably a minority though.

[Sejborg]

They would eat pancakes I believe.

[Sacred_Fantasy]

What would the Grey Wardens do once all the Blights are defeated?

I don't know about the rest of Grey Wardens, but my warden will certainly having a picnic with Morrigan


He will probably watch over the new Inquisitor, if he finds her worthy enough.

[TEWR]

put on dresses and dance the Remigold. With jazz hands.

Because when the Blights are no longer a threat, they're out of a job. If they can't find someone else to fight, they'll probably either disband or lose a lot of revenue.

The Blights wouldn't be a threat, but Darkspawn always would be. And we don't even know what will happen to the Darkspawn when the Blights are over.

They might move on to trying to get High Dragons -- the Old Gods were, reputedly, just really powerful High Dragons after all.

They might all become Awakened Darkspawn at the same time and not know what the hell happened, possibly going as insane as the Mother due to the lack of the Song of the Old Gods -- whereas with the Architect, he slowly makes them accustomed to the new lifestyle we can assume.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 23 novembre 2012 - 09:44 .

[Sabariel]

Synthesize with the remaining darkspawn and completely recreate life with shiny new DNA. Or something.

[Reidbynature]

JimTasty wrote...

 simply become an elite group of warriors like PMCs? or....

I would like to see that.  I think it would be great if they could continue on as a prestiguous order of warriors trying to protect the land even if their original purpose for doing so is no longer relevant.

Though saying that, I'm sceptical as to how likely that may be.  Even though it looks like Origins took a step towards the end game as far as Blights go, few ongoing games or stories tend to take that sort of definitive step towards progression, instead favouring an almost perpetual battle between good and evil with the same recognisable names filling those roles.

I hope they do however since the Dragon Age setting has a lot of promise and it would be great to see games and stories completely separate from Darkspawn and the Blight.

AntiChri5 wrote...

Retire and host orgies.

...but I can see a lot of members doing this. 

[ZtalkerRM]

Well...it poses an interesting question.

New grey wardens are only drafted by other grey wardens. And it's a way-out for criminals and people who are stuck in their lives, as well as seasoned warrior who want to fight. After a while, the last category won't join anymore (no glory to be had) and the wardens would deteriorate into a group of murders and cons, who chose the Grey Wardens over the death penalty.

So...they'd eventually destroy themselves.

[Mike Canary]

Interesting ideas! But I'm pretty sure that, eventually, the Grey Wardens would die out. If I recall (and I could be wrong) the Grey Warden Joining requires some Archdemon blood. WIth no Blights, there's no Archdemons, so presumably the Grey Wardens would eventually just disappear.

But that's just my two cents on the matter.

[Pelle6666]

Remain vigilant.... =P Wait for new blights? It's right there in the lore, the blights wont just stop and if they do then the order is not needed any more.