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[Zafireria]

Ok so I am standing in a rather annoying situation, I have to choose which king dwarf I wish to support.
I can't seem to figure out who to take, as there is different endings to what you choose.
Just to make it clear, I intend to destroy the Anvil as I do not wish to have Alistair, Wynne, or Leliana to disapprove me.

So here are the questions:
1. Can I only destroy the Anvil if I choose to support a specific king? If so which one of them?

(if the answer is yes to the above question, then never mind the second question)

2. Which king will be the best outcome for Ferelden when the game is over? Or does it all depends on the Anvil?

[Spazure]

Yes, you can destroy the anvil regardless of who you choose as king.



As for which king is "best," I'm honestly not sure, as it really depends on what you want out of the king.

[TanithAeyrs]

I choose the king based on who my current character is likely to support. There are good and bad things about both of them. The anvil is a separate question entirely and really has nothing to do with which king you choose.



***END GAME SPOILER***





Bhelen is the stronger king and he tries bring the dwarves around to more modern thinking, but he dissolves the assembly to do it. So trying to get rid of caste system, but ends democratic process.



Harrowmont is a weaker king but he leaves dwarven traditions intact.



So far my Dalish elf supported Harromont-tradition. My elvish mage supported Bhelen- hated the caste system and my human noble will support Bhelen- her family was just slaughtered in a political coup, she is definitely supporting the current ruling family.

[SusanStoHelit]

The king is irrelevant to Ferelden. But if you mean the best king for Orzammar - Bhelen becomes a tyrant but brings about sweeping changes in Orzammar, opening surface trade and improving the lot of the casteless. He's a murdering, back-stabbing, evil bastard - but a strong king. Harrowmont is relatively honest, a 'good man', but is weak and a traditionalist who keeps Orzammar isolated and does poorly for it.

So it's a case of the lesser of two evils. I choose whoever would be 'in character' for my toon:

Dwarf Noble - Harrowmont; Dwarf Commoner - Bhelen; Elven Mage - Bhelen; Human Noble - Harrowmont.

Edit: ninja'd by Tanith, hehe.

Modifié par SusanStoHelit, 03 janvier 2010 - 09:23 .

[Zafireria]

Bugger I was hoping that the Anvil had something to do with the dwarf king so I could get the choosing done lol.



Well what I want from the king, is that the dwarfs are happy, and not so enclosed.

Aka I want the king that does 'less' damage to the dwarfs and Fereldan.



If Harrowmont is a weak king, does that affect anything? Does it start a fight, or the dwarfs kills him or something? What benefit will he has as a king to Feledan?

Bhelen is the stronger king and he tries bring the dwarves around to more modern thinking, but he dissolves the assembly to do it. So trying to get rid of caste system, but ends democratic process

Sounds like he dies in the end? What benefits will he give as a king, to Feleden?



Also I heard that you can't complete the quest if you choose to take Harrowmont's side, is that true?

[Zafireria]

SusanStoHelit: Oooo they have no affect to the world. I am a female elf mage, so I guess Bhelen.

Last question tho, what about the party memebers? Do some get mad if Bhelen becomes king or?

[stribies]

Bhelen is actually gay.

[Zafireria]

Just an add. Chossing Bhelen kind of makes me look evil, but I guess that doesn't matter/have an affect, since the character doesn't know that Bhelen will become a tyrant.

[Zafireria]

I don't care if she is gay or not, right now I am more concerned if choosing Bhelen will make me look evil.

[Asylumer]

Zafireria wrote...

I don't care if she is gay or not, right now I am more concerned if choosing Bhelen will make me look evil.

You'll look evil to Harrowmont and other traditionalists.

You'll be a hero to the Casteless.

It's a matter of perspective. Bhelen proves to run the kingdom better, despite being an absolute tyrant.

[Zafireria]

Asylumer: Thank you! That was the answer I was looking for.



Just a new question: What is Casteless?

(I am from Denmark so English isn't my native language, so please bare with me)

[KariTR]

Just speak to the dwarfs, they will explain what casteless is. There is no wrong or right decision, role-play your character and do as you think they would rather than worry about end consequences. You can always do different in a future playthrough

[Zafireria]

KariTR: Hehe ok thanks for the advice. I know I can make it different in another game, but I just want to do it good with the first character lol.



But thanks again, I will keep that in mind =)

[wrathofnature]

Just a new question: What is Casteless?
(I am from Denmark so English isn't my native language, so please bare with me)

Casteless are people without a caste.

Caste is a rigid system which dictates what you can do.
Ex. smith caste are smiths, miner caste are miners, warrior caste are fighters
Higher castes have more power, status, etc.

Being casteless basically means you can't do any jobs. You're branded with a mark to show that you're a criminal and thief (self-fufilling prophecy, casteless are forced to be those as they can't do anything else really to survive)

The dwarf caste system works as follows: 
if male caste X and female caste Y have a baby
-if baby is male, baby's caste is the father's caste, that is X
-if baby is female, baby's caste is the mother's caste, that is Y

I really don't like the caste system so I prefer Bhelen because he will bring in important reforms, push back the darkspawn hordes. He does dissolve the assembly after a couple of assassination attempts from the nobles, but I consider him more of an 'enlightened' dictator than a pure tyrant.

[Zafireria]

wrathofnature: Aha! Well see that does change it a lot for me. I don't like the Casteless now, so Bhelen it is. Thanks, figuring out what casteless meant really helped me decided

[TUHD]

In response... in one macaber way the choices are linked... choose Harrowmont and let the Anvil exist, and the 'guardian' of the anvil will start to abduct people from the surface. I won't say more because of any spoilers...

[kikiboo630]

well, playtime-wise.. choosing harrowment is quicker than doing belen's tasks ^^



destroy the anvil and u get alistair's approval!

[SusanStoHelit]

Actually, if you choose Bhelen and let the Anvil exist the same thing happens. They are two totally separate issues.



And yes Zafireria, you can choose based on what you know is going to happen later. I don't, at least, I don't if it doesn't fit my character (who doesn't have a crystal ball and doesn't know that Harrowmont will be weak and Bhelen strong etc).



So, my dwarven noble chooses Harrowmont. She knows the truth about Bhelen, what he did, his murder of their brother and framing of herself. Would that person side with Bhelen. Nope.



My human noble, who didn't know the truth, still suspected and furthermore came from a noble family; he was raised to be a bit of a traditionalist, and so chose Harrowmont.



My dwarf commoner on the other hand, neither knows nor cares about Bhelen vs Harrowmont. She is casteless, and her own sister is living in Bhelen's household. She is more pragmatic, a tougher cookie who has been through a lot, and definitely NOT a traditionalist. She's gonna go with Bhelen.



And so on.

[ZomgitsTIMxD]

I never pick Bhelen after what he did to me

[Ishbo]

What I don't understand is why I have to choose Belen and Harrowmont after destroying the Anvil.



I have a crown, made by a Paragon, which allows me to choose absolutely anyone! Why not Oghren? Hell, Ruck? At least I can be sure they'll send an army to help me.

[PaladinZero]

Basically, the crown doesn't let you choose anyone per se, it allows you to end a dead-lock in the assembly. Had you tried to choose another candidate, no king would have been chosen except through lengthy civil war. Also, Oghren wouldn't want to be king. He is similar to Alistair in that they seem to be wholly incapable of leadership. After I shoved the kingship on Alistair, super glued it, and trapped it in place, I thought he made a good king. That is beside the point...boy I rambled a lot...



As for who I chose, my dwarven noble accepted that that was the way of politics and decided to not care about anything. He did what he wanted and managed to get half the party killed doing so.

[Zafireria]

Well mine is a elf mage, so I think I will go for Bhelen. I don't like the casteless system so meh.



And I intent to destroy the anvil, I don't want Alistair on my bad side, I got plans for him.

[Roland The Great]

Well I don't know about the anvil but I hate the Chantry so my elf mage has refused to help the dwarf chantry guy get started in dwarf city. I already lost lothering threatened the reverend mother to get sten out don't like Alister Leana or Morrigan. I have the dog the elf loghain got to try and kill me and Shale. I like the combo hope no problem leaving Alister in storage don't like him. or the sister thief.

[Kuda73]

"So, my dwarven noble chooses Harrowmont. She knows the truth about Bhelen, what he did, his murder of their brother and framing of herself. Would that person side with Bhelen. Nope."



Actually my dwarven noble chose Bhelen because he murdered our brother and framed me...he bested me in playing the dwarven political game. I compare it to playing survivor..outwit...outplay..outlast.

So in my view as a dwarf he earned it. Human politics are different so I react like a dwarf.

[Haplose]

Kuda73 wrote...

"So, my dwarven noble chooses Harrowmont. She knows the truth about Bhelen, what he did, his murder of their brother and framing of herself. Would that person side with Bhelen. Nope."

Actually my dwarven noble chose Bhelen because he murdered our brother and framed me...he bested me in playing the dwarven political game. I compare it to playing survivor..outwit...outplay..outlast.
So in my view as a dwarf he earned it. Human politics are different so I react like a dwarf.

Well, I have chosen to pay Bhelen back for his betrayal.

But you are also right. A ruthless pragmatic approach, such as you have described, is very fitting for the dwarven society.