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[Redbelle]

Speaking as someone who promotes alot.

I only go into gold when my character levels are 18-20. Any other level goes into silver.

[OniGanon]

Not everyone is a Lone Wolf. Some of us actually need semicompetent teammates to help them and can't afford to be dragging a completely inexperienced, undergeared bronze-level player along.

[kaileena_sands]

BobFettle wrote...

If that level 8 N7 8 shows up, dont kick him like an eletist #@$^^.  He will go back to bronze, learn a lot of really bad habits (like not having to take cover and rushing to the extraction zone at the start of the round)  and end up back in gold a few months later with better weapons and still no good experience also feeling like an eletist #$@@#! entiled to kick people.

Rather keep him in the loby.  Tell him he don't seem ready but he's welcome to stay, listen and learn.  Then teach him the basics like how to take cover, not rush off on his own, hold a position, move when needed to, do objectives, VERY IMPORTANT! when to and when not to use consumables and how to do objectives.  After the game he will probably realize he needs to go back to bronze.  He will be gratefull, more friendly, have learned a lot about the game and the whole community will be stronger.

We were all bronze once ... just saying.

I try not to use anyone, especially if they are using consumables. Why that you say? Because it shows me they are willing to try at least. And if they gel, help during the match etc., I'll never kick them, even if they didn't perform as well. Here's to a good topic!

kmmd60 wrote...

New players should stick with silver/bronze but they're welcome to try gold if they're willing to stick with the team. 2 capable players carry two noobs is not big deal.

+ This. I totally understand the frustration when you go into a Gold lobby and practically see that if you don't manage to carry the match, it will be an epic fail. But I don't mind doing it once in a while, it's a good challenge.

However, Slimjim is right too. I remember a recent gold game when it was a friend and I duoing gold waves one after another after our team managed to die very early each wave. In fact, it was a bit fun (since we were two) but if you're alone it's a big stress and it does take a bit of the fun of the game indeed.

Modifié par kaileena_sands, 17 novembre 2012 - 12:40 .

[SlimJim0725]

AHadley23 wrote...

It seems a lot of gold/platinum players don't realise playing games isn't about TheWin™.

I still have my share of wipes (it isn't a lot though). I just don't have fun losing when I have to basically play a 4 person game alone (or even with 2 players). If I know everyone will be able to pull their weight and we just so happen to have some bad luck and wipe, no big deal. If I know I am doomed to carry someone who will be next to no help I am not going to enjoy my time playing even if we make it to extraction.

[LoonySpectre]

Look at N7.
If in doubt, look at challenge points.
If still in doubt, look at weapons.
If still in doubt, look at gear.
If still in doubt, you probably doubt too much.

And even then, this can mean nothing. I recently played a PUG game. All four were at N7 1000-something, with good weapons and gear. We inexplicably wiped at wave 3 three games in a row.

Modifié par LoonySpectre, 17 novembre 2012 - 12:40 .

[himohillo]

AHadley23 wrote...

It seems a lot of gold/platinum players don't realise playing games isn't about TheWin™.

Fun is subjective.

[Zero132132]

I have the opposite inclination. I think if noobs are carried once, they don't realize that they were carried sometimes, and they become accidental leachers. Those are the people that shouldn't be in gold lobbies, but in their minds, they're good players, they just need a "good team" to make it though.

Bronze is a good place to learn the mechanics of the game, and silver is a decent skill level to work out semi-decent tactics in. That's what I'll generally suggest to super new players. That and learning classes that can contribute really well using only skills, because you can do better with them with a relatively ****ty manifest.

EDIT: One thing I will say is that when I'm with friends, we only kick on Platinum, and even then, we don't expect them to have brilliant loadouts, we just don't want missile glitchers. On gold, we boot people if they score-**** to the exclusive of helping with objectives and ****, or they wander away from revives when nothing threatening is around. Basically, if they act like dicks during the match, we'll boot after, or to make room for a fourth friend (assuming they don't just leave after we explain the situation). Otherwise, 2-3 decent players can handle carring 1-2 bad ones.

Modifié par Zero132132, 17 novembre 2012 - 12:54 .

[LegionofRannoch]

If there in a gold lobby with me I dont mind then being there just show you want to help the team by putting on equipment

[Zero132132]

AHadley23 wrote...

It seems a lot of gold/platinum players don't realise playing games isn't about TheWin™.

What's it about, then? It's a lot more fun to succeed than to fail. That's basically always true regardless of the endeavor. What's more important than having fun?

[ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame]

I only initiate a kick if someone in the lobby isn't readying up .... Even with the we're not waiting 20 second count down timer. If I feel the people in the lobby aren't ready for the match we got I leave the match.

[ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame]

OniGanon wrote...

Not everyone is a Lone Wolf. Some of us actually need semicompetent teammates to help them and can't afford to be dragging a completely inexperienced, undergeared bronze-level player along.

That means you're not much if any better than the new player now doesn't it? 

[SlimJim0725]

ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame wrote...

OniGanon wrote...

Not everyone is a Lone Wolf. Some of us actually need semicompetent teammates to help them and can't afford to be dragging a completely inexperienced, undergeared bronze-level player along.

That means you're not much if any better than the new player now doesn't it? 

Does it? So basically you are saying you should only be able to play Gold if you can solo Gold? Wow...

There is a HUGE difference between a fairly decent player that will be a help on Gold and wins with 3 other decent players and someone completely inexperienced that is no help and leeches off of the other 3 players.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

at the risk of being called whatever.
lol, hell no.
no one did that for "us" ( people playing since march)
he most likely has the internet and is capable of learning some things on his own.

Not enough room to make this my signature. Don't support people that don't even have to common sense to check and see that you can change the difficulty in menu...My 1st game was a bronze game in the demo... why because I saw you could change the difficulty before just spamming enter button to start playing.

[HiGamerCAT]

I do that when I'm feeling altruistic and in excellent world-hugging mood.
Was burned though couple of times - turns out they knew that they were not ready and just wanted credits since they made sure to run away from us towards insta-kill enemies at begining of every wave and then leave as soon as match over so we dont even get pleasure out of voting to kick them....
In general though I think it's ok once you're strong enough yourself to let underpowered gamers in on gold/plat - expierence in groups and more money to unlock stuff is priceless for new players.

[nicethugbert]

NOOB = Decoy
Revive = Recast

[Zero132132]

ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame wrote...

OniGanon wrote...

Not everyone is a Lone Wolf. Some of us actually need semicompetent teammates to help them and can't afford to be dragging a completely inexperienced, undergeared bronze-level player along.

That means you're not much if any better than the new player now doesn't it? 

It/s possible for four people of the same skill level to be able to do things that 3 people of that skill level and one decoy can't. The notion that the only way to be helpful in a match is to be able to carry it seems odd to me. Some classes, I can do really well in a match with, but that doesn't mean that I can solo several waves. I don't want to have to use builds I can carry with every damned time.

[HiGamerCAT]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

at the risk of being called whatever.
lol, hell no.
no one did that for "us" ( people playing since march)
he most likely has the internet and is capable of learning some things on his own.

Not enough room to make this my signature. Don't support people that don't even have to common sense to check and see that you can change the difficulty in menu...My 1st game was a bronze game in the demo... why because I saw you could change the difficulty before just spamming enter button to start playing.

I didn't find it out until after 7 or so matches..... Would've appreciated if someone told me... but i can assure you my brain is fully developed and comon sense is somewhere there, be easy on the newbies unless they're assh$#$s, then f%^k them

[Knubbsal]

Well, if someone can't even figure out to start at a lower difficulty and move up when they feel good enough... the only thing you teach them is to get carried. Mind you that some people will hate having to be carried and maybe not look back to multiplayer...

I'd vote for a help screen every time you go in the search for game menu until you get N7 10, pointing out that you can change search settings, and recommends bronze. I didn't see it the first few games in the demo either. Or maybe it was since you could be put in any difficulty no matter what you picked... hmm...

[JustinSonic]

 I played a gold with an N7 with around a 60? rating. They guy wasn't bad at all. Died quite a bit, but asked questions the whole time and listened to strategy. We were overall fine.

[Biotic_Warlock]

theillusiveman11 wrote...

I enjoy playing with new people. It's very fun, and they do try their hardest.

Bless their cotton socks.

[megabeast37215]

At the low levels mentioned in the OP... said noob needs to go back to bronze and learn the levels/spawns before anything else. It's hard to teach them anything when they're all like, "I keep getting shot in the back! Where are all the enemies coming from? Nowhere I go is safe. etc."

What are you gonna show them on Gold? How to team camp? That's the only strategy they could go along with and not be a liability to the team. If you want to teach them fundamentals... then you should goto bronze/silver with them, and teach them there. Gotta learn to walk before you can run.

[Scam_poo]

BobFettle wrote...
Then teach him the basics like how to take cover

Cover is overrated.

inb4elitist

[Zero132132]

Scam_poo wrote...

BobFettle wrote...
Then teach him the basics like how to take cover

Cover is overrated.

inb4elitist

Oh, what do you use then, smart guy? I've heard these meaningless phrases called 'soft cover' and 'right hand advantage,' but where's your soft cover when a Praetorian beam is coming at you, huh!? Yeah, that's right, I said it. Taking cover for those 2 seconds is a life-saver.

[The Titanium Dragon]

Frozen Mind wrote...

From my experience, if you don't kick him, he'll leave in waves 1-3 after dying few/many times.

But yes. Remember, low N7 people (less than 120) have to LEARN that Gold/Plat and even Silver is not for them yet.

Bah I started playing  a few days ago and do fine in silver. I started silver matches around N7 30 or so and did poorly, then around N7 60 did pretty decently. By 120 I was doing quite well.

You only learn what your powers do in bronze; its basically useless for teaching you "the real game". I tried out my krogan vanguard in bronze and wrecked house; then I moved up to silver and sucked. Why? Because I tried to play like I did in bronze. Once I started playing properly I did a lot better.

The OP is right that Bronze can teach you really bad habits.