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[Jonata]

Kail Ashton wrote...

i'll safely assume no one was clever enough to say "ya vanna see yavanna do yah?" yet, so there you go, enjoy

I was right about to say it, I swear.

[FaeQueenCory]

She's only dead in the continuum in where Alistair is made king of Ferelden in Origins...
Any other outcome would result in VASTLY different dynamics that would change the entirety of the universe....

Though she could possibly also be dead in where Alistair and Anora are made to marry.... but that isn't an assured thing.

Remember: just being born in a different time will have drastic consequences on the timeline of your universe.

[MichaelStuart]

Just because she got disemboweled, doesn't means shes dead.
Even if she is dead, people come back from the dead all the time in comics.

[Pzykozis]

Meh was disappointed by her death makes me laugh when alistair the plucky but fairly mediocre fighter can take out what amounts to the daughter (and shes the older most likely more wise and powerful sister of Morrigan to boot) of the most powerful entity so far in the da:verse but sure power fantasy ahoy. Would've loved to see more Yavanna but y'know death is pretty hard to recover from most of the time. Maybe she'll pull a Flemeth somehow, but either way I'd love to see more of Flemeth's daughters.

[Mello]

MichaelStuart wrote...

Just because she got disemboweled, doesn't means shes dead.
Even if she is dead, people come back from the dead all the time in comics.

The devs already said people who are dead, will stay dead. 

[ledod]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

MichaelStuart wrote...

Just because she got disemboweled, doesn't means shes dead.
Even if she is dead, people come back from the dead all the time in comics.

The devs already said people who are dead, will stay dead. 

except those who don't

[Nerevar-as]

Eefa wrote...

I don't personally think that Alistair killing Yavana was out of character. It's assumed he has a hardened personality (and he had no beef killing Flemeth- even though it was Morrigan's idea to begin with). He even says that "justice" is his purpose right before stabbing her. I think he'd have no problem killing her if he thought he was protecting Thedas from evil, Alistair has a very strong sense of duty.

Personally, I think that Yavana ending at Ali's sword is enough closure for me in regards to her character. I'm more curious about OGB.

I found it more to be a childish tantrum, blaming another person for a choice his father made, not bothering to learn more of what she meant, and repairing her help with betrayal. Not necessarily hardened Alistair, if you try to spare Loghain and isn´t hardened he tries to claim the throne just to have the authority to kill him.

[DarthLaxian]

well...another witch of the wilds/hedge witch - or even hedge mage (why only have female apostates as companions?) would be something i would support, because of the potential for an interesting character (morrigan was the most interesting character in DA:O (together with Leliana)...the others were not that interesting IMHO...most of all Wynne with her chantry apologizing nature...made me want to puke, so much that I almost decided to become my own healer (i play mage mostly) or to skill morrigan as a healer -.- and sten with his "i am a quunari-robot behaviour...also i am kind of warming up to him)) and for more mage lore (like another "forgotten" skill, like the shape-shifting of morrigans

greetings LAX
ps: Yvana herself seems dead though...and Allistair seems to harbor some mage hate again (he surprised me this last weekend, by telling the party something along the lines of wanting to purge the mages tower (has he always been like that? - my male mages never got this from him (my latest character is a female mage)...i was tempted to leave him at camp henceforth, but he is my best tank (shale comes close though) so i kind of do not have a choice!)

[Doctoglethorpe]

iPoohCupCakes wrote...

MichaelStuart wrote...

Just because she got disemboweled, doesn't means shes dead.
Even if she is dead, people come back from the dead all the time in comics.

The devs already said people who are dead, will stay dead. 

All that really means is their "death" will of happened.  Wether or not they actually literally died and are gone or just quote-unquote died aka only appeared to die but didn't really, or even died but came back to life, is all up for grabs.  Especially when it comes to characters like the witches, who its already known have the power to body hop with their spirits. 

Flemeth dies.  But she doesn't.  Cause surprise, magic.  Its legit cause this is fantasy. 

Anders dies, but not really he just tricked people into assuming a charred corpse was him so he could run away.  Rule #1 about death in fiction, if you don't see it happen then it probably didn't happen. 

Liliana.. did something.  Who cares.

King Maric died.  Or so everyone thought, turns out he was kidnapped.  Again, see rule #1.

Chances of Yavana being totally dead and gone is almost non-existant.  If Gaider wants to keep using her, he will.  All it will take is completely lore friendly magic trick.  And it seems likely he does want to keep using her.  She seems like a pretty important character to be introduced and killed off in the matter of a few pages of a comic. 


People need to get used to the fact that in this fiction death is not nessisarily a permanent thing for multiple reasons.  Often it is, but not always.  Trickery and magic are boundless in this series.  Magic and the existence of spirits is enough alone to excuse literally any character ever from being revived, but DA also has common use of the good old untrustworhty narrator too which is just as powerful.  We as the reader/player/etc are often given false information, we are told or shown a lie that isn't so much a lie on the writers part as it is a false fact or myth within the world itself that we are led to believe the same way characters in the fiction themselves are.  Once you realize this is quite common in DA you're able to look upon the lore far more critically and expect the unexpected, you just can't take any information for granted its all a big puzzle.  Thats the kind of story Gaider is trying to tell, a big mystery we're to slowly piece together.  Thats what makes it so interesting.  Its not just some static fantasy mat thats laid out from the start to have predictable adventures in.  Get used to your expectations and assumptions occasionally if not often being wrong. 

Modifié par Doctor Moustache, 19 novembre 2012 - 02:51 .

[TheFontBandit]

FaeQueenCory wrote...

She's only dead in the continuum in where Alistair is made king of Ferelden in Origins...
Any other outcome would result in VASTLY different dynamics that would change the entirety of the universe....

Though she could possibly also be dead in where Alistair and Anora are made to marry.... but that isn't an assured thing.

Remember: just being born in a different time will have drastic consequences on the timeline of your universe.

I actually really like this theory. So it might go like this: If you import a game or choose a preset backstory in which Alistair is king of Ferelden, Yavana is dead. But if you import or choose a backstory in which he was exiled, then Yavana could be alive in DA3.

[In Exile]

Pzykozis wrote...
Meh was disappointed by her death makes me laugh when alistair the plucky but fairly mediocre fighter can take out what amounts to the daughter (and shes the older most likely more wise and powerful sister of Morrigan to boot) of the most powerful entity so far in the da:verse but sure power fantasy ahoy.

I don't know, Alistair is pretty badass. Gameplay/story segregation and all that, but S&S Alistair can be an absolute unholy killing machine.