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[Sejborg]

TheBlackAdder13 wrote...

In DA2 it seemed to me that Isabella was clearly straight. She clearly lies with all the men in Kirkwall, so surely she likes ****. That personality trait seems to come in conflict when she ends up with a female Hawke. I don't remember her talking about enjoying being with women? Or am I not remembering something?

In banter with Bethany, Bethany asks her about her experiences with women and they have a dialouge about it. I think she also mentions it in Origins and sleeps with the female or male warden regardless of gender and will have the threesome/foursome in Origins if you bring the relevant romances along. 

True. But to me it still seemed as if she was straight. And then as a sidenote also have had sex with women as well. It might be me that remembers things in a way they weren't but that is still the inprint I was left with. Having gay experiences do not make one gay. Being gay makes one gay, and vice versa. Isabellas character in DA2 seemed straight to me. 

[hoorayforicecream]

Oh look, it's *this* thread again.

Can I save you all some time?

- They didn't explicitly say they were bisexual, so they aren't!
- Not all bisexuals declare that they are!
- It's not realistic!
- Nothing is realistic!
- They should make exclusively gay romances!
- They said they won't make exclusively gay romances!
- Sexuality is a huge part of every character!
- Sexuality is not a huge part of every character!
- My immersion!
- *My* immersion!!!
- I have a great idea! They should put in a toggle for those who dislike homosexual content! I'm a genius!
- LOCKDOWN

Modifié par hoorayforicecream, 17 novembre 2012 - 04:08 .

[whykikyouwhy]

I'm in favor of LI availability to the player, regardless of PC gender. I think it's the easiest way to allow for a wide player base to have varied options for how they want to role-play.

I'll sum up with something I have said before - While that may mean that all of the established LIs seem "bisexual," no one in DA2, or DA:O, identifies themselves as bisexual. It's not a word they use, and while stories or banter shared may provide circumstantial evidence in one manner or direction, it may not be true for how that character would consider his/herself. Some characters are more than willing to share information about their personal lives, others are not - and as such, we, as players, only have a finite amount of information to base our assumptions on. We tend to label or categorize the characters based on who they are willing to romance, but that doesn't necessarily mean that those characters (if real flesh and blood individuals) would label themselves in the same manner.

The characters are not so much bisexual, as they are, from a game mechanics perspective, available for romance. And even if that romance option were limited in some capacity (like Sebastian is only available as a LI for a female Hawke), it's still a game mechanic on a deeper level. But from a writing perspective, from how the characters are fleshed out, I think the approach was to show the sum totals - to focus on the various things that make each character unique, of which, sexuality is only a portion. If I look at any character, Aveline, Merrill, Isabela, Anders, etc, I don't see them as their (perceived/assumed) sexual identity first. Rather, I see the stoic and loyal guard captain, the shy yet dedicated elven mage, the free-spirited hero-pirate, and the anguished mage who is struggling to hold on to his heart. 

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 17 novembre 2012 - 04:03 .

[Sejborg]

greengoron89 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

It's effective story telling. Deal with it. 

Yes, tacked-on romances that consist of a handful of conversations followed by 30 seconds of pixelated dry humping are just the pinnacle of storytelling. Absolutely brilliant.

Lol. You read alot of things into that oneliner. Have fun fighting your strawmen. I can't be bothered with such a tool. 

[josipa24]

Didn't Gaider already explain this from dev pov (and heavily hinted at the way they're gonna do DA3 romances)? More than once?
I don't see how yet another bi thread is going to make any difference.

Off topic question...Does anyone know if gay marriage is legal in Thedas?

Modifié par josipa24, 17 novembre 2012 - 04:20 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Death_Acolyte wrote...

josipa24 wrote...

Didn't Gaider already explain this from dev pov (and heavily hinted at the way they're gonna do DA3 romances)? More than once?
I don't see how yet another bi thread is going to do any difference.

Off topic question...Does anyone know if gay marriage is legal in Thedas?

What did Gaider say?

He would love to do gay exclusive characters along with straight exclusive characters, but there is just not enough resource to achieve such goal, so fairness wins over mega-gaming.

[josipa24]

too clumsy to find the quote, but he basically said that while he'd prefer to have more LIs with set preferences, they couldn't do it resource wise. So he'd rather be inclusive than to cater to someone's view of realistic percentages of gays.
So basically for DA3 I'm expecting 4 'all bi' companions again ( unless they go with 6 LIs, two for each)

[ledod]

Perhaps resources that gay characters require do not exsist within the whole of the budget- my more cost-effective to create bisexual romances. Besides, one is not aware of the characters' true sexual orientation unless one plays atleast twice.

[Sejborg]

josipa24 wrote...

too clumsy to find the quote, but he basically said that while he'd prefer to have more LIs with set preferences, they couldn't do it resource wise. So he'd rather be inclusive than to cater to someone's view of realistic percentages of gays.
So basically for DA3 I'm expecting 4 'all bi' companions again ( unless they go with 6 LIs, two for each)

Makes sense. But is it really that costly to put in a different dialogue that is sensitive to the player characters gender?As I mentioned earlier with Merrill being horny for the qunari. That banter is fine if the PC is male and Merrill is therefore meant to be straight. If the players rolls a female she could have said that she was horny for human females instead. 

Sure it might take some ressources, but is it really that much of a work that it can't be done?

[josipa24]

Death_Acolyte wrote...

josipa24 wrote...

too clumsy to find the quote, but he basically said that while he'd prefer to have more LIs with set preferences, they couldn't do it resource wise. So he'd rather be inclusive than to cater to someone's view of realistic percentages of gays.
So basically for DA3 I'm expecting 4 'all bi' companions again ( unless they go with 6 LIs, two for each)

Wasn't Dragon Age 2 like that? I never romanced anyone in that game.

Also, @ the bolded, Isn't he still catering to someone's view of sexual prefereces regardless of what he chooses?

Yes, DA2 is like that.

About the second part, I'm not sure what your point is. If he's catering to someone and pissing someone off with every choice he makes, then any choice is equally valid and fair? Is that it?

[josipa24]

Sejborg wrote...

josipa24 wrote...

too clumsy to find the quote, but he basically said that while he'd prefer to have more LIs with set preferences, they couldn't do it resource wise. So he'd rather be inclusive than to cater to someone's view of realistic percentages of gays.
So basically for DA3 I'm expecting 4 'all bi' companions again ( unless they go with 6 LIs, two for each)

Makes sense. But is it really that costly to put in a different dialogue that is sensitive to the player characters gender?As I mentioned earlier with Merrill being horny for the qunari. That banter is fine if the PC is male and Merrill is therefore meant to be straight. If the players rolls a female she could have said that she was horny for human females instead. 

Sure it might take some ressources, but is it really that much of a work that it can't be done?

'Bi' romances are cheaper actually, and DA2 had differences for male and female Hawke . Can't speak for Merrill, but I don't remember her lusting after qunari at all. Are you sure?  Because you were pretty wrong about Isabela.

Modifié par josipa24, 17 novembre 2012 - 04:52 .

[whykikyouwhy]

Merrill makes a comment about the Qunari being "easy on the eyes." Could be construed as lust, sure, but also as just appreciation for their musculature. I think it's included more to show that Merrill might be less "innocent" in her thoughts than she often lets on.

[Sejborg]

josipa24 wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

josipa24 wrote...

too clumsy to find the quote, but he basically said that while he'd prefer to have more LIs with set preferences, they couldn't do it resource wise. So he'd rather be inclusive than to cater to someone's view of realistic percentages of gays.
So basically for DA3 I'm expecting 4 'all bi' companions again ( unless they go with 6 LIs, two for each)

Makes sense. But is it really that costly to put in a different dialogue that is sensitive to the player characters gender?As I mentioned earlier with Merrill being horny for the qunari. That banter is fine if the PC is male and Merrill is therefore meant to be straight. If the players rolls a female she could have said that she was horny for human females instead. 

Sure it might take some ressources, but is it really that much of a work that it can't be done?

'Bi' romances are cheaper actually, and DA2 had differences for male and female Hawke . Can't speak for Merrill, but I don't remember her lusting after qunari at all. Are you sure?  Because you were pretty wrong about Isabela.

Well, I only played the game once and that was a female. I am pretty sure about her liking the qunari because she could see their torso and so on. I will try and find a source then. 

[.shea.]

josipa24 wrote...
Can't speak for Merrill, but I don't remember her lusting after qunari at all.

She didn't, she merely mentions (in act3) that qunari were quiet but easy on the eyes. She also has this banter with Aveline (asking why Aveline doesn't arrest them, you get it on friendship path even if you don't flirt with her):

.........
Merrill: That's good. Is it because you're fond of Hawke? I kind of am.
Aveline: How very nice for you. Keep it to yourself.
Merrill: I'd rather keep it with her/him.

[sharkboy421]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Merrill makes a comment about the Qunari being "easy on the eyes." Could be construed as lust, sure, but also as just appreciation for their musculature. I think it's included more to show that Merrill might be less "innocent" in her thoughts than she often lets on.

Merrill is no where near as innocent as she pretends:whistle:.

Back on topic.  This thread has been done so many times.  It never gets anywhere.  I personally feel they should do playersexual romances.  You are free to romance and ignore anyone you like.  And DA2 was good about leaving the romances up to the player.  Well apart from Izzy, but that really is just who she is.  As long as the choice to pursue a romance is left up to the player and the LI do not press the issue unless the player has already indicated they are interested, I see no reason not to have all LIs being playersexual.

[Sejborg]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

Merrill makes a comment about the Qunari being "easy on the eyes." Could be construed as lust, sure, but also as just appreciation for their musculature. I think it's included more to show that Merrill might be less "innocent" in her thoughts than she often lets on.

Yes. But if it is meant to make her less innocent, then why do it with her sexualising the male form, when she is supposed to be gay, when you roll a female PC. That is why that banter would have worked better if it was about her liking the female form, as that would have enhanced her "gayness" instead of her "straightness". 

[josipa24]

Death_Acolyte wrote...

hoorayforicecream wrote...

Oh look, it's *this* thread again.

Can I save you all some time?

- They didn't explicitly say they were bisexual, so they aren't!
- Not all bisexuals declare that they are!
- It's not realistic!
- Nothing is realistic!
- They should make exclusively gay romances!
- They said they won't make exclusively gay romances!
- Sexuality is a huge part of every character!
- Sexuality is not a huge part of every character!
- My immersion!
- *My* immersion!!!
- I have a great idea! They should put in a toggle for those who dislike homosexual content! I'm a genius!
- LOCKDOWN

Wait.. this is the best post by far in this thread.

Honestly, Gaider and the rest should just write and do whatever they want with certain characters instead of just pandering. Any choice they make will cause " outrage " in some kind of way. Why not just do whatever they want when it comes to this? ( Exclusives, Gays, Bi's )

Well, I can get definitely get behind this. DA team should (and will) do what they think is best and I trust them to do it right.