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[BjornDaDwarf]

Do you have anyone you regularly play with who makes you better?  Even if they aren't as "good" or don't score as many points?

I was thinking about this last night.  The vast majority of the time I play with my wife.  She often feels like she's not as good as a lot of people we play with, as she usually only places in third or fourth on the scoreboard.  However, she obviously has a pretty signifcant impact on the games we play.  Last night we knocked out our three extractions for the Operation, afterwhich she quit playing.  I decided to do a few PuGs.  Normally Gold is a breeze for us, whether it's with people we know or randoms (and we Duo Silver and Gold a fair amount as well).  Without her, my Gold matches were going really rough.  I got through them, but had to use more consumables and they were not near as much fun. 

This made her feel better, realizing that even if she's not topping the scoreboard, there is something about her play that improves the team.  She tends to watch other players backs, is a revive machine, knows how to kite enemies on Objective waves (for 4-cap or escort) and in general knows good Gold strategy.  She just doesn't kill as much as everyone else. 

So, anyone else experience this?  Have any teammates who may not be top scorers, but seem to make everything in the match easier?

[The Aesthetic Ghant]

That's pretty damn awesome.

And not really except on the rare occasion I actually bump into another good player from round these parts.

[P51Mus7ang]

Different players make me play different, I play with quite a few from BSN that are far better than I am....I follow them as much as possible to see their playstyle, adopt what works for me, check their builds also which has made a very big difference.

[TerraNomad]

I feel like it's a psychological thing. I mean, I used to play on Gold matches right after ME3 launched with a buddy of mine and we could tag team gold on firebase white before either of us really knew how to play the game.

I really think that we just tend to play better when we have that one player on our team we know we can rely on, for example, when you play with your wife, I'm quite sure she knows what all you can do and by extension knows how not to get in over her head.

I frequently run into a problem with PuGs that my teammates don't know what's too much to handle. This isn't to say they aren't good players, more often than not they exceed me in terms of skill, but it's much easier to handle a heated firefight when you can evaluate, "Oh, he's right next to me, we can hold this spot." or "Okay, we need to move because there's too many of them to hold here with just us." My problem typically comes that I don't know how to synch with their classes in a pickup game. This usually ends with a much less entertaining experience overall.

I feel like everyone has that one battle-brother online. Y'know that one player that even when you're both playing poorly, you still have fun and can do better than if you were just trying to be a professional on solo.

[aimimia]

 Lord_sirian, Jay machine headshot killer. Those two are the main people that make my games such a breeze. Normally because They get to kill everything before I get to fire a shot even. 

[Bob Garbage]

When you look at the available classes for Mass Effect, it's clear that getting the most kills and having the highest damage output isn't the point of all the characters available. Support is a huge part of this game and is so necessary on harder difficulties. It makes the damager's job a lot easier if he/she doesn't have to deal with barriers/ shields and mooks all the time. But that person isn't going to be getting the same points as the person who is taking down all the boses, but their role is required if you want the match to go smoothly. So yeah, when people are working together and playing as a team, I want to play better too.

Modifié par Bob Garbage, 17 novembre 2012 - 04:20 .

[d_nought]

People like Sirian, Stentron, Feneckus etc. made me realise just how little I knew about what the f*** I was actually doing. Before I met them I never really thought too much, it was especially evident when I played the N7 Paladin, I would just press random powers and go for headshots. My builds sucked and didn't really synergise with a clever playstyle. So I had to actually think for once.

[Inabstract]

I feel that that playing with PUGs have dramatically made me much better. You see the error in your ways. What builds don't have an overall synergy against all factions, that all characters have a way to contribute.

I feel the losses i've gained have ultimately made me into the player I am. I truly do enjoy ME3 MP more than many other MPs. Now, I play with friends to my best skills and of course I make mistakes every now and then. That though, makes me a better player even more so and I hope everyone has had a good experience.

[ISHYGDDT]

Bad pugs. The really bad ones I mean, not only poor scorers, but the ones who spend 90% of the time on the floor. They force you to be a better player. When you play with 3 good players everything is too neat and tidy, there's never a chance of failure so there's no pressure to really improve.

[ToLazy4Name]

No one effects me like that, but my group of friends most certainly got better thanks to playing with me. When I first picked them up, they couldn't make it through Gold unless it was FBW/G/G and one of them struggled with Bronze, and now they can hang with me pretty well.

[Constipator369]

I only play PUGs, but I have problem playing without a team's volus. Even as a vorcha, when shields don't matter and shield boost doesn't really help.

Modifié par Constipator369, 17 novembre 2012 - 05:23 .

[BjornDaDwarf]

TerraNomad wrote...

I feel like it's a psychological thing. I mean, I used to play on Gold matches right after ME3 launched with a buddy of mine and we could tag team gold on firebase white before either of us really knew how to play the game.

I really think that we just tend to play better when we have that one player on our team we know we can rely on, for example, when you play with your wife, I'm quite sure she knows what all you can do and by extension knows how not to get in over her head.

I frequently run into a problem with PuGs that my teammates don't know what's too much to handle. This isn't to say they aren't good players, more often than not they exceed me in terms of skill, but it's much easier to handle a heated firefight when you can evaluate, "Oh, he's right next to me, we can hold this spot." or "Okay, we need to move because there's too many of them to hold here with just us." My problem typically comes that I don't know how to synch with their classes in a pickup game. This usually ends with a much less entertaining experience overall.

I feel like everyone has that one battle-brother online. Y'know that one player that even when you're both playing poorly, you still have fun and can do better than if you were just trying to be a professional on solo.

There's a lot of truth here.  My wife and I have played nearly 200 hours of ME3 together, there's ton of innate knowledge about what the other can do in any situation.  I had been playing for awhile before she started, so I basically taught her how to play it.  So her style is just a more conservative version of how I play (which tends to be hyper-aggressive regardless of class). 

We also have a level of communication that most players don't.  We're in the same room.  We can just glance over at the other one's screen and know where they are, what they're facing, etc. 

[LePetitRobot]

aimimia wrote...

 Lord_sirian, Jay machine headshot killer. Those two are the main people that make my games such a breeze. Normally because They get to kill everything before I get to fire a shot even. 

So... they don't make you a better player?

My new friend PatMaweeny always has good tactical advice when we're in a hectic wave on gold - usually "let's move, this is a bad spot"! I'm trying to learn from him 

[Hretha]

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

TerraNomad wrote...

I feel like it's a psychological thing. I mean, I used to play on Gold matches right after ME3 launched with a buddy of mine and we could tag team gold on firebase white before either of us really knew how to play the game.

I really think that we just tend to play better when we have that one player on our team we know we can rely on, for example, when you play with your wife, I'm quite sure she knows what all you can do and by extension knows how not to get in over her head.

I frequently run into a problem with PuGs that my teammates don't know what's too much to handle. This isn't to say they aren't good players, more often than not they exceed me in terms of skill, but it's much easier to handle a heated firefight when you can evaluate, "Oh, he's right next to me, we can hold this spot." or "Okay, we need to move because there's too many of them to hold here with just us." My problem typically comes that I don't know how to synch with their classes in a pickup game. This usually ends with a much less entertaining experience overall.

I feel like everyone has that one battle-brother online. Y'know that one player that even when you're both playing poorly, you still have fun and can do better than if you were just trying to be a professional on solo.

There's a lot of truth here.  My wife and I have played nearly 200 hours of ME3 together, there's ton of innate knowledge about what the other can do in any situation.  I had been playing for awhile before she started, so I basically taught her how to play it.  So her style is just a more conservative version of how I play (which tends to be hyper-aggressive regardless of class). 

We also have a level of communication that most players don't.  We're in the same room.  We can just glance over at the other one's screen and know where they are, what they're facing, etc. 

My husband and I also play together (although I dragged him into it about about 6 months ago; I've been playing Mass Effect since if first came out, and ME3 since the demo  .  I find all of the above to be true... we're in the same room, so can talk back and forth, but I also know from experience how he plays and what he's up to (same goes for him).  PUGs are usually harder when he's not in the game with me. And when a game gets in a rough spot we stick together   We sometimes pick complimentary characters to set up combos, etc.  There's also a level of friendly competition, too, that I think keeps us working to improve.  That being said, I've also recently added a few friends from the BSN forums that have been very helpful, lettting me tag along in gold games and get some experience.  That has definately improved my game as well.

[SeanThen1]

Watching videos of infiltrators showed me how godly they are. I never understood how you're supposed to handle all these boss mobs on the higher difficulties until I realized the power of a few well-placed sniper rounds.

Beyond that, I watched Volus kick ass at support and learned to play a gold worthy one. I've watched odd weapon combinations that lead me to try some things that worked and that don't. Mostly, I learn from when I wipe and I watch someone Lone Wolf it through a wave. You see which corners of a map they will use to fire from partial cover, etc.

[holdenagincourt]

Two types of players can do this.

There are the ones who are really good, and who I learned from by watching their placement, paths taken, objective strategies, tactics by enemy, strategies for soloing parts of a wave, weapon/equipment combinations, occasional mistakes and all the vitally important minutiae that one gains from experience.

Then there are the ones who are really out of their depth, lagging badly or just not trying. Having to compensate for this because you want the mission to succeed; having to push yourself harder than you would otherwise, tends to make you a better player. Similarly, there are those late waves when your regular teammates succumb to freak accidents, e.g. two Banshee grabs in rapid succession, and you and a teammate or just you have to duo/solo a wave 9 or a wave 10 objective. I performed a lot better when that would happen largely because of the first paragraph, but meeting adverse circumstances and pushing through with my friends or even silent randoms watching made me try my utmost, and made me disappointed at failure and proud of success.

[Zeromarro4]

BjornDaDwarf wrote...

Do you have anyone you regularly play with who makes you better?  Even if they aren't as "good" or don't score as many points?

I was thinking about this last night.  The vast majority of the time I play with my wife.  She often feels like she's not as good as a lot of people we play with, as she usually only places in third or fourth on the scoreboard.  However, she obviously has a pretty signifcant impact on the games we play.  Last night we knocked out our three extractions for the Operation, afterwhich she quit playing.  I decided to do a few PuGs.  Normally Gold is a breeze for us, whether it's with people we know or randoms (and we Duo Silver and Gold a fair amount as well).  Without her, my Gold matches were going really rough.  I got through them, but had to use more consumables and they were not near as much fun. 

This made her feel better, realizing that even if she's not topping the scoreboard, there is something about her play that improves the team.  She tends to watch other players backs, is a revive machine, knows how to kite enemies on Objective waves (for 4-cap or escort) and in general knows good Gold strategy.  She just doesn't kill as much as everyone else. 

So, anyone else experience this?  Have any teammates who may not be top scorers, but seem to make everything i the match easier?

I learned the game from Bjorn as did his wifeand I am an above average player.. however his wife has also helped me become a better playerShe is a good tacctical player and so are many of the peop0le I play with. Bjorn is likewise a great rtactical player. So i guess I guess familiarity is the best teacher and experience.