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[Sandiz83]

After have played this game in some weeks now, it' all ways make me wounder when i encounter a demon or somekinde of nature spirit (think the the lady in the wolf*s den)?

My girl friend saw me playing and was furius about the nudeness or sexism in the game. And i have to agree, many games out the are sexist.

Does someone feeling deferent tham me or do you agree on this??

[ReubenLiew]

Quickly, we must start burning bras for this outrage!

[Herr Uhl]

They ditched the male desire demons. I wonder how they would have looked *ponders*

And I would be freaked out if the lady of the forest was male.

Edit: Though Teagan might be considered a desire demon.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 03 janvier 2010 - 09:16 .

[SusanStoHelit]

Because the devs seem to think, sadly, that most game players are male. I don't know what the stats are, and it probably varies in different countries, but I suspect that while male players are in the majority it isn't by lots. And there's still vast numbers of female players.

[heat2008]

Because the VAST majority of gamers in general are male, and it's sexy? It's not sexist, it's appealing to your target market.



Why is it a male can walk down the street topless but if a woman were to do so it's indecent exposure.

[ReubenLiew]

No no, this man is right ya'll.

I demand that the women wear nothing but heavy dresses, and all the men are fat, bald and ugly, since it's obviously sexist towards men to portray them in the light that all men are really, really muscled and not all men are good looking like Alistair or Teagan.

Down with sexism!

[Endurium]

There should have been an incubus or whatever, as an alternative to the succubus. I'm sure not all female players' picture of desire is another woman, just as I would be put off if I was greeted by an incubus offering temptations.

Then again, Bioware also used a male as the basis for all character animations. I can't imagine how anyone in their right mind could think that would pass for a healthy female.

At least they managed to balance the romances - er, friendships with obligatory sex scenes - to an extent. Give them 10 years and they might finally get it right. Need to stop looking at market data and start using common sense.

Modifié par Endurium, 03 janvier 2010 - 09:27 .

[Herr Uhl]

There are no naked females (non-demons) in the wild (npc:s) but the females gets their S&M slave already caged in Ostagar.

[lv12medic]

Only the desire demons are that way. What about the Sloth demons, rage demons, ash demons?

[Ulicus]

I wish that the desire demons were always the opposite sex to that of your character. Well, uh, unless you'd done something in the game to indicate your character swung a different way. Oh, or maybe you'd get to shoot it down, only for it to try changing sex as a tactic.



That'd be pretty cool.

[Knal1991]

they could do it like this: in the beginning youll get a question regarding your desire If you choose men, you will get male desire demons, females, youll get female desire demons if both... you get them randomly... though in all honesty most myths and legends depicts women as a tempting luring evil victimizing you on your desires... like sirens....

[Sandiz83]

lv12medic wrote...

Only the desire demons are that way. What about the Sloth demons, rage demons, ash demons?

good point!

I whanted to start a debate, cous there are somthing there about some caracters and demons that make you wounder why are they allmoust naked.

Look at morgans organal dress, is that logic, when you livin in the wild forsest. i don't belive so. but some pepol what the what it that way i guess.

[MatronAdena]

hmm. desire demon....tied into the ideas of sirens, succubus etc and the countless other myths revolving around lust, which have almost always been represented by a female like form. In that light I see nothing remotely sexist or disturbing by the desire demon, I see a mythological arch type. there are just as many male demons in the game as well, but I suppose because they are not pantless nobody going to throw a fit about it.



As for the lady of the Forrest: she represents raw nature which has always been a powerful female figure in most cultures, she's a Gaia figure, and nothing more.



I just can't wrap my head around how my own gender has those that just can't get over themselves and try to find " sexism" in anything. To be blunt that phrase has been so abused in the last few decades that most just have totally abused it to the point of forcing it into phrases to express a " personal" dislike of something, without really even attempting to look into it in any other light.

[Mahumia]

An incubus would actually be pretty cool... I would be up for that! And oh yes... make females walk in a normal way! >< I truely dislike the macho walk, especially on an elf :/

[Endurium]

Knal1991 wrote...

though in all honesty most myths and legends depicts women as a tempting luring evil victimizing you on your desires... like sirens....

That's because in those days most sailors and fishermen were... men! It is only in the last 75 years or so that women have begun to occupy roles historically held by men. Sure there were exceptions before, but just exceptions.

Nowadays we're supposed to have male and female sirens, and sirens that swing both ways.

[Sylph_14]

Blood flying everywhere, the occasional head rolling around, the ability to massacre the innocent...



... and people still get offended by breasts? Oi...



Not to mention, why would supernatural creatures care about something as silly as modesty?

[uberman409]

TBH, I'm fine with female sirens, desire demons, etc. No need to change it. 'sides, the female form is much more easy on the eyes than the male form.

[Default137]

Erm, what were you expecting?



No offense, I can think of only two creatures in this game that are partially nude, the Lady of the Forest, and the Desire Demons, one represents beauty in its natural form, and the other represents the desires of those who its trying to manipulate, considering you are in a party of largely men, well, what form do you think it would take if it wanted to control your group.



Look through history, nature has always been identified as a feminine form, Dryads, Nymphs, Fairies, Sidhe, all are considered more feminine then masculine, the very essence of nature has always been assumed to be female, Gaia and all that jazz, so having a "Lord of the Forest" would be kind of offputting for many people.



And while they could have put in Incubi for people playing female characters, why? As I mentioned earlier, its just a form they take to try and appeal to your party, in the hopes you will be either corrupted by them, or much more easy to manipulate, and most of your party members are either male, females with partners, females with agendas, or really old females that know more about demons then anyone, so its not like being an Incubi would give them much sway over your group

[ejoslin]

I don't it's because they feel the majority of players are male, because they managed to make a couple of very deep, compelling romances for females. And they feel like romances women would like, not guys RP'ing as women. I have to agree with what other people have said on this, and articulated it better than I could.



Naked women representing lust is definitely not new symbolism.

[Spazure]

I have to agree with Mavria. Sure the game has almost-naked chicks, but what fantasy game doesn't? It really isn't that big of a deal.

[Purdicus]

I read recently that some 43% of gamers are women, and I'd bet my quarterly bonus that DA:O has a higher percentage than that. Also, similar stats for older vs. younger. So first of all, don't assume the VAST majority of gamers are young males. Also, older females make or veto the VAST majority of household purchase decisions. Ignore them at your peril.

[Sandiz83]

Sylph_14 wrote...

Blood flying everywhere, the occasional head rolling around, the ability to massacre the innocent...

... and people still get offended by breasts? Oi...

Not to mention, why would supernatural creatures care about something as silly as modesty?

This is a game, you play it becous you like the story, like movies you like them cous the story apeel to you or have something to say to you. anyway... books, movies and even game are a reflection of the real world. you can't get away from that.

Look at "Transformers 2" there som sexism there to arcordin to some, but that that i whink about are the two twin robots, (the voius acting was doen by some colored men), and Mikel bay did get some heavy critics becous thoes robots. and some even said that it was raisist, but that is an other discustion. i hope you got my piont any how?

[Tirigon]

Ulicus wrote...

I wish that the desire demons were always the opposite sex to that of your character. Well, uh, unless you'd done something in the game to indicate your character swung a different way. Oh, or maybe you'd get to shoot it down, only for it to try changing sex as a tactic.

That'd be pretty cool.

I totally agree.

To the OP: I don´t think it´s sexism to show the desire demon as female, it´s a rather usual symbol... And that a "Lady" of the forest is a lady and not a man is... obvious, isn´t it?

[Catwall]

Ulicus wrote...

I wish that the desire demons were always the opposite sex to that of your character. Well, uh, unless you'd done something in the game to indicate your character swung a different way. Oh, or maybe you'd get to shoot it down, only for it to try changing sex as a tactic.

That'd be pretty cool.

Awesome idea.