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[cgj]

they are a new and improved geth faction now that hunters got nerfed

as cheap as geth with an improved BS barrier absobtion technic of the banshee
faster than geth
more hp than geth
units are able to do everything and counter anyplaystyle

not that it matters,i'm on PS3 so i can't even play against them even if i wanted to

edit: oh i forgot the part about them taking 33% less damage from combo when they have the highest HP pool of all factions ...

i do enjoy playing against them but they are cheap

Modifié par cgj, 18 novembre 2012 - 01:18 .

[Catastrophy]

Seekers are too tough

Reduce the shield recharge penalty when hit by Scion.

Do not drop me into a running Collector match unless the landing zone is clear.

[power1x1]

Destroyer > collectors

[Deitar]

I absolutely loathe collectors for their mooks ability to bring me from 50% shields to dead in one burst.

[Fortack]

The only two things I don't like about the Collectors are:

1) Their stunlock cannons.

2) Swarms with barrier that can take a point blank Claymore shot in the face and keep flying (and laughing I expect). That's just ridiculous. They should be nasty bugs, but easy to kill IMO.

[Zero132132]

Computron2000 wrote...

Zero132132 wrote...
Anyways, the point is, while they're not as horrible as a lot of folks figure, they're still out of wack with the difficulty system in general. Seriously, no joke, sometimes I think they're easier on Platinum than Gold just because on Platinum, you have less Collector units on the field. They're beatable, but that they are harder than other classes trivializes the challenge system. That's my only real issue with them. They're aggressive, smart, fast, and tanky.

The bolded part is hard to deny objectively. Only those out to boost their ego (with no proof) would say its fine. That said, the best solution would be for the Lobby creation/joining to have an option of "Any except collectors". That should get those who dislike the faction to avoid them. It would also make pugs against collectors less problematic (since many pugs equip nothing and dps is important vs collectors)

As long as they include a "Any except Geth" as well, because I like fighting the Collectors. The Geth make the game annoying and awful.

[MaxShine]

Collectors are not very enjoyable to play against imho because they introduce a bit too much fake difficulty (Praetorian+seeker swarms). They depend way too much on the Praetorian forcing you out of cover and making you run into troopers + Scions...

That is the only way that Collectors can be difficult. The Scion alone is a joke, he is probably the slowest, dumbest unit in the game and he is extremly easy to hit because he is a stationary target basically...

If your team can take down the Praetorian quickly/efficiently then the Collectors are easy... What I do not like is that killing the Praetorian quickly only requires good guns and consumables. It is good that they added a new faction, but I would not like to play against Collectors very often.

[Ravenguild]

People need to stop setting the benchmark boss as the atlas. They arent the boss level enemy of Cerberus the phantom is. so yes every boss should be superior in nearly every way.

[hiker7gax]

my biggest problem is the scions.
they kill anyone in the open, grenade you out of cover and can hit you when you aim around corners.

[3XT3RM1N4TUS]

Collectors are too easy! Nerf the Harrier! Nerf the Ghost! Buff Praetorians and Scions!

[HeavysetRJ]

Only real complaint I have is the health on the swarms, takes far too long to take out what is basically a harassment unit.

[iOnlySignIn]

I have no problems with Praetorians. Or Scions, since BioWare fixed them. Scion shots are much easier to dodge than Geth Prime or Atlas shots once you know how (i.e. run sideways). Their grenades can be a problem though, especially with multiple Scions and in cramped locations. But it's a fun challenge IMO.

My problem is with how much HP Swarms/Plagues have (bloody things just refuse to die), as well as the melees of the Troopers/Captains. The melee does too much damage and looks too badass. None of our melees is either that effective OR that flashy. Not fair.

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 18 novembre 2012 - 01:31 .

[cgj]

Ravenguild wrote...

People need to stop setting the benchmark boss as the atlas. They arent the boss level enemy of Cerberus the phantom is. so yes every boss should be superior in nearly every way.

if you look at the spawn budget atlas is the boss, and phantom is just a broken unit

people compare to the atlas not because the atlas is a boss but because before collectors, the Atlas Had the highest HP pool in the game 27500/27500 on platinium while banshees and primes are at 20k but they were a bit less threatening as a balance

now praetorian have 28k/20k move 150x faster, are 150x more dangerous at close range, can fire multiple missiles tracking you and insta downing you almost, they have lasers ignoring gates that go through walls with bigger AOE than the graphic
they can be 2 of them at a time on the map like atlases, they block paths just like atlases and they are roughly the same spawn budget

how is that balanced

edit: oh and they have an improved version of the absobtion technic from bashees and take 33% less damage from combos

Modifié par cgj, 18 novembre 2012 - 01:33 .

[FasterThanFTL]

I find them very easy since I started ignoring calls for reviving teammates when there are possessed scions around. Same thing as not reviving anyone when Geth Bombers are around. Those damn multi-grenades are a pain to deal with and seem to give the most trouble to everyone I play with.

[Xaijin]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

Air Quotes usual "IT'S BROKEN, UNFIT FOR PLAYING!" thread.

[DiebytheSword]

Agree on Scion and sounds, less so on Praetorian, but I see your point, OP. Collectors need tweaking, as do Geth Bombers (also no sound and great screwjobs to non-dodging classes), and the Dragoons who used to be too numerous and too stealthy (now just too stealthy).

[Blind2Society]

Air Quotes wrote...

I'm not saying Collectors are OP or I can't manage them, I'm saying that they are unbalanced compared to the other factions. And no, other factions don't need a buff.

I'll say it. Collectors as a whole are OP because of minor imbalances in each unit. Cerberus is OP because of minor to major imbalances in phantoms/dragoons. Geth are OP because of cheap bull****. Reapers are just right.

That's my feel anyway.

[ZombieGambit]

I just used a level 4 Human Sentinel on Bronze and had one of the toughest games outside of Gold ever. Jeez, Seeker Swarms messing with my cooldowns, Biotic Explosions, granted Warp and Throw were only rank 2, tickling enemies (2 BE's were required to take out non-possessed Troopers), and Captains and Troopers literally dodged 60% of my powers.

This was freaking Bronze. Collectors are ****ed up, yo.

[SeanThen1]

My only complaint about the collectors is the seeker swarms.

They either...

A. Need to be worth like 300+ points per kill, as they have as much health as any other enemy.
or
B. Need their health cut down to 1/4 its current level.

Modifié par SeanThen1, 18 novembre 2012 - 01:56 .

[Zjarcal]

There's a reason why I prefer Collectors on Platinum instead of Gold... less Collectors.

That probably says something. 

Modifié par Zjarcal, 18 novembre 2012 - 01:56 .

[cgj]

Air Quotes wrote...

I'm not saying Collectors are OP or I can't manage them, I'm saying that they are unbalanced compared to the other factions. And no, other factions don't need a buff.

not only are they unbalanced they are broken (collectors)

and i disagree, i think banshees could use a buff in the form of more armor and aoe increase on their Nova, they're the least threatening boss atm

[Achire]

Clearly belonging to "teh hardcorez" means not understanding anything about game balance. Why even have difficulty levels in the first place, if Collectors are effectually one difficulty higher than the other three (except on Platinum)?