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and aoe increase on their Nova


No frakin way <_<

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Clearly belonging to "teh hardcorez" means not understanding anything about game balance. Why even have difficulty levels in the first place, if Collectors are effectually one difficulty higher than the other three (except on Platinum)?


+1 that's why I was thinking. 

Collectors give the same money for beating them, but Collector Silver = almost Gold for other factions and Gold is almost Platinum. Especially for power users and squishy characters. 

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Blind2Society wrote...

cgj wrote...

and aoe increase on their Nova


No frakin way <_<


what ? that's not gonna make that huge of difference

the banshee's nova attack as it is , is more usefull to players than it is a threat

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An SMG is awesome against collectors. Best faction of the game and as someone pointed out, if you can shoot, you're good. Once the sack is gone off the Scion, he's toast. Fire from cover = quick kills

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There's a reason why I prefer Collectors on Platinum instead of Gold... less Collectors.

That probably says something. :?


You get Platinum Geth instead while playing Plat Collectors. Out of the pan into the fire.

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cgj wrote...

the banshee's nova attack as it is , is more usefull to players than it is a threat


Taking Geth, enemy projectile tracking and enemy accuracy out of the equation, there is one thing I hate in this game and that is enemy DoT.

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An SMG is awesome against collectors. Best faction of the game and as someone pointed out, if you can shoot, you're good. Once the sack is gone off the Scion, he's toast. Fire from cover = quick kills


Yeah, but that's one of the points. Gun classes are already dominant in this game, and now there's a faction that totally favors pure gun DPS and screws powers even more than others. 

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Blind2Society wrote...

cgj wrote...

the banshee's nova attack as it is , is more usefull to players than it is a threat


Taking Geth, enemy projectile tracking and enemy accuracy out of the equation, there is one thing I hate in this game and that is enemy DoT.


her Nova is a close ranged attack that is very predictable, doesn't do enough damage to break the shields of most characters unlike the warp ball and that has less dot than the warp ball, it is also eaiser to avoid than the warp ball, especially off host

any time you can bait her Nova is time she could be throwing a dreaded warp ball, and also time you can use a  power on her and shoot her easily as she doesn't move too much

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Well fine, increase the range, but lose the DoT.

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Collector is like Reaper and Geth together. Tough and cheap

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I think they are the most fun to play, but I do need a good weapon against them.

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Collectors gold is significantly harder than Reaper or Cerberus gold (I try never to play against Geth.) I don't think thats proper balance. I also don't think that Reaper or Cerberus gold is 'too easy.' Therefore, I think the Collectors could do with an adjustment.

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Collector is like Reaper and Geth together. Tough and cheap


I like them better than Geth. But damn they require A LOT of firepower. 

And it's fun how Praetorian laz0rs FORCE you to use HARD cover, but you can't stay in it because Scions will carpet bomb you in cover. And "1 button to rule them all" will make sure you'll have lots of awesome BS moments. 

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And it's fun how Praetorian laz0rs FORCE you to use HARD cover


That is the one thing about praetorians that does ****** me off, besides that ridiculous grenade attack they have when possessed of course.

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Ledgend1221 wrote...

Air Quotes usual "IT'S BROKEN, UNFIT FOR PLAYING!" thread.

And as always with good points that are right.

I've had gold games that are easier than Silver collector games. Perhaps it's about getting used to collectors and playing them more?

Reapers and even cerbies with braindead dragoons are more fun than collectors. For me at least.
Collectors and geth are one frustration after the other.

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And it's fun how Praetorian laz0rs FORCE you to use HARD cover


That is the one thing about praetorians that does ****** me off, besides that ridiculous grenade attack they have when possessed of course.


Praetorians have missiles when possesed. Scions have LONG range grenade bouquets. 

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ISHYGDDT wrote...

Collectors gold is significantly harder than Reaper or Cerberus gold (I try never to play against Geth.) I don't think thats proper balance. I also don't think that Reaper or Cerberus gold is 'too easy.' Therefore, I think the Collectors could do with an adjustment.


Geth aren't really hard imo, but they're very cheap. Pretty much anything that looks at you the wrong way staggers you.

Personally I would disagree that Collectors are harder than Cerberus now that Dragoons have entered the picture.

Reapers are easiest faction right now in my opinion(should actually be buffed a bit).

I do agree with many others in this thread that the Seeker Swarms are a bit much. I don't think they need to have more health than an Assault Trooper. Also fixing the combo bug should help a lot.

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^ I disagree about Reapers. I think they are perfect and where all the other factions should be.

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Praetorians have missiles when possesed. Scions have LONG range grenade bouquets. 


Them things are to small and slow to be missiles but god they suck.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 18 novembre 2012 - 02:25 .


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Cyonan wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Collectors gold is significantly harder than Reaper or Cerberus gold (I try never to play against Geth.) I don't think thats proper balance. I also don't think that Reaper or Cerberus gold is 'too easy.' Therefore, I think the Collectors could do with an adjustment.


Geth aren't really hard imo, but they're very cheap. Pretty much anything that looks at you the wrong way staggers you.

Personally I would disagree that Collectors are harder than Cerberus now that Dragoons have entered the picture.

Reapers are easiest faction right now in my opinion(should actually be buffed a bit).

I do agree with many others in this thread that the Seeker Swarms are a bit much. I don't think they need to have more health than an Assault Trooper. Also fixing the combo bug should help a lot.


Seekers are tough and take your powers for 5 seconds. That's a long time. And sometimes they bug out and do 2x "damage" That means 10 seconds with NO powers. 

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Blind2Society wrote...

Air Quotes wrote...

And it's fun how Praetorian laz0rs FORCE you to use HARD cover


That is the one thing about praetorians that does ****** me off, besides that ridiculous grenade attack they have when possessed of course.


Yes, but, they shoot them out of their ass. That makes up for it.

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I was looking at the collector captain stats vs a marauder and it does seem that its bad for power classes. The evade cooldown for a captain is 2 secs so you have to have very low cooldowns. Combined with their better base health and shields plus their possessed bonus (+761 barrier and +40 health if i read it correctly), casters with weak but light weapons get double whammied.

On the bright side, they are much easier to stagger than a marauder

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Cyonan wrote...

ISHYGDDT wrote...

Collectors gold is significantly harder than Reaper or Cerberus gold (I try never to play against Geth.) I don't think thats proper balance. I also don't think that Reaper or Cerberus gold is 'too easy.' Therefore, I think the Collectors could do with an adjustment.


Geth aren't really hard imo, but they're very cheap. Pretty much anything that looks at you the wrong way staggers you.

Personally I would disagree that Collectors are harder than Cerberus now that Dragoons have entered the picture.

Reapers are easiest faction right now in my opinion(should actually be buffed a bit).

I do agree with many others in this thread that the Seeker Swarms are a bit much. I don't think they need to have more health than an Assault Trooper. Also fixing the combo bug should help a lot.


To be fair they did buff Reapers a little (increased brute armor by 50%.)  I don't know that they can do much to make the Reapers more (truly) difficult though without adding another unit.  

Cerberus Dragoons are annoying but they die quickly, are CC'able (when not meleeing) and since the last balance change, are limited in number. 

I agree about Geth, which is why I avoid them like the plague.

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Kenadian wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...

There's a reason why I prefer Collectors on Platinum instead of Gold... less Collectors.

That probably says something. :?


You get Platinum Geth instead while playing Plat Collectors. Out of the pan into the fire.


I still prefer it to gold collectors. :mellow:

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Computron2000 wrote...

I was looking at the collector captain stats vs a marauder and it does seem that its bad for power classes. The evade cooldown for a captain is 2 secs so you have to have very low cooldowns. Combined with their better base health and shields plus their possessed bonus (+761 barrier and +40 health if i read it correctly), casters with weak but light weapons get double whammied.

On the bright side, they are much easier to stagger than a marauder


And they don't dodge nearly as much, but they do move MUCH faster and can spawn those damn seeker plagues.

Modifié par Blind2Society, 18 novembre 2012 - 02:35 .


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Air Quotes wrote...
Seekers are tough and take your powers for 5 seconds. That's a long time. And sometimes they bug out and do 2x "damage" That means 10 seconds with NO powers. 


They also reduce accuracy by a considerable amount(60% if I remember right), and have a hitbox that appears to be smaller than their actual model is.

Other than that though, I think that Collectors are about even with Cerberus, both of which are harder than Reapers.

and the Geth are just a bunch of cheaters.