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[DragonRacer]

Reznore57 wrote...

The single manly tear ?
Or the whole crying a river with rolling on the floor , big tears all red in the face etc...?
The few tears I saw in video game weren't so good , like some blue slimey stuff rolling down a character cheeks.

I have no problem with a character crying ,well if it's done well obviously.
But it's like asking for a character laughing , you don't see them really laugh , it's hard to make it look real.

I agree with Maria Caliban, close up shot of the face will probably look ridiculous (Is he crying, is he constipated?)
Body language has better chance , something like character let himself fall to the floor , and you can see his body agitated by sobs.

Yes! The whole scene, not so much awkward close-up.

On a recent episode of The Walking Dead, I thought the actor for Rick Grimes pulled off shock and sorrow very well when realizing his wife just died during childbirth: www.youtube.com/watch

THAT kicked me right in the feels.

Maybe it seems corny or over the top, but I thought that was actually damn realistic. About how I reacted when I learned my mother killed herself earlier this year, complete with the collapse to the ground rolling around thing. THAT really is the absolute depth of anguish, right there, displayed about as perfectly as one can show.

Modifié par DragonRacer, 18 novembre 2012 - 09:28 .

[Josielyn]

Wow, Dragonracer, thanks for sharing that link! I am feeling some serious empathy. What a good cry.

[DragonRacer]

Josielyn wrote...

Wow, Dragonracer, thanks for sharing that link! I am feeling some serious empathy. What a good cry.

Quite welcome. I felt it was one of the most realistic portrayals of agony-grief I've ever seen.

Grief is not some pretty tear rolling down the cheek, like Hollywood shows.

Real grief is that gross, awful snot running down my nose, sucking so much wind I'm practically dry-heaving sort of cry. That's what's real.

[Nefla]

paul165 wrote...

Nefla wrote...

I don't care if there are actual tears or not but I really would like to see a lot more actual grief or crying or something during tragic moments. They wanted to make the game more cinematic so lets see what cinematics can actually do.

Only if it's not the PC though or at least you get a chance to opt out. The whole forced emotion thing didn't really work for me in ME3.

I would want it to be both NPCs and PC but I would want to be able to choose a dialogue option that would lead to the PC crying and not be forced into it like ME3 (I hated that as well)

[Fredward]

whykikyouwhy wrote...
So...a single tear is a "manly" tear? Huh...who knew that stoicism was a quality possessed only by the menfolk. <_<

You do realize the idea of "manly tear(s)" is a joke, yes? XD

Or a meme but w/e.

[DragonAgeLegend]

Swagger7 wrote...

I find the OP's amount of enthusiasm to be rather disturbing if truth be told.

I actually LOL'd at your comment 

[DarthLaxian]

Josielyn wrote...

One of the most heartwrenching sights to me is a man crying.    I want to see a man in Thedas CRY tears of despair, or CRY tears of joy.  Even better if he is a LI.   I want to see graphics of tears rolling down their face.  I want to hear sobbing mothers and see their faces contort in grief as their mage children are taken away from them by templars.  Please indulge me and give us some pure outward expression of feeling.  Even a closeup of tears-  the person I would be most amazed to see cry in Dragonage?  Flemeth.  I don't know if that is possible.  Please make it happen!  Not just the sound of crying- I want to SEE it.

this - so yes (not all the time, but in certain scenes, like father/mothers getting robbed of their children (if the PC is pro templar he should have to face parents grieving/insulting him for "robbing the cradle") or getting told that their son/daughter fell in battle (if you command an army as the inquisitor it should be your duty to send out death notices and even hand deliver some of them - any good commander should do this (at least if he knew the dead personally)), if you kill someones husband/wife then there should be tears, too (at least if the loved each other) and maybe there could even be some revenge (like an assassination attempt) or promises of revenge at least)

so in general:

there should be loads more emotion shown in the game (hell, in - good - movies a show of emotion (like say a character crying in front of say a grave in the rain) is always a powerfull picture that gets emotion across to the viewer like nothing else)

greetings LAX

[whykikyouwhy]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...
So...a single tear is a "manly" tear? Huh...who knew that stoicism was a quality possessed only by the menfolk. <_<

You do realize the idea of "manly tear(s)" is a joke, yes? XD

Or a meme but w/e.

Well, I did use the indignant sarcastic emoticon for a reason.

Sadly, all too often, a good chunk of people equate the display of emotions as being something negative, and/or a sign of weakness. So, the "manly tear," joke or no, does carry some shades of old stereotypes about how the genders deal with grief or pain. 

Modifié par whykikyouwhy, 19 novembre 2012 - 11:21 .

[Fredward]

whykikyouwhy wrote...
Sadly, all too often, a good chunk of people equate the display of emotions as being something negative, and/or a sign of weakness. So, the "manly tear," joke or no, does carry some shades of old stereotypes about how the genders deal with grief or pain.

And we would not want that in Politically Correct BSN, would we? 

[sylvanaerie]

I don't need to see tears to see someone is hurting. These expressions tell me everything. Also dialogue and music does much to evoke empathy toward the characters. Granted these images are related to the same quest but it was the best examples I could pull up. Hawke during the Leandrastein quest.  Body language or expression tells the whole story of what the hero is feeling at that moment.





and a rare shot of a Warden showing emotional upheaval.



I like subtle hints of things, allowing a viewer to form their own feelings on the matter at hand, and Bioware delivered well the kind of emotions I enjoy feeling as I play.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 19 novembre 2012 - 09:27 .

[Parmida]

I want my PC be able to cry so that his LI can comfort him, I just love this to be in game I don't know why.
In DA2 after mummy Hawke's death Hawke just sat on his bed looking at the ground, I wanted him to at least shed a few tears but he didn't.
Heroes cry too you know, they're not made of stone and have emotions, at least when their mother is dead or something so very saddening has happened like the death of one of the companions.

[Orian Tabris]

Ewww... I don't think I want to see a man cry. If at all, then I would prefer it be a major character or the PC, and only towards the end of the game.

I would, however, like to see a young, fair maiden on her lonesome, bawling her eyes out or sobbing quitely. Either a human or an elf. Also, to have blood on her hands or something, to make it more interesting. Perhaps an elf, because she'd be smaller than the PC, which might strengthen the idea that she's in need of help and comfort.

[Sejborg]

sylvanaerie wrote...

Are they supposed to wear armor in that scene? Seems pointless. 

[Massakkolia]

sylvanaerie wrote...

I don't need to see tears to see someone is hurting. These expressions tell me everything. Also dialogue and music does much to evoke empathy toward the characters. Granted these images are related to the same quest but it was the best examples I could pull up. Hawke during the Leandrastein quest.  Body language or expression tells the whole story of what the hero is feeling at that moment.

*pictures snipped*

I like subtle hints of things, allowing a viewer to form their own feelings on the matter at hand, and Bioware delivered well the kind of emotions I enjoy feeling as I play.

But tears are part of body language. Tears are one of the most blatant forms of non-verbal communication. The great thing about tears is that they are difficult to ignore. Crying demands attention and makes other people uncomfortable, in real life and in fiction. Such a powerful dramaturgical tool should not be ignored in games.

I think the pictures you posted do show some emotion but, in the end, they do not touch me even though I've played those scenes through. Tears alone would not have made Hawke's mother's death moving but they would have at least enhanced the emotional impact a little bit. DA2 also had scenes where some characters clearly were crying but there were no tears (Wesley's and Bethany's/Carver's death at the beginning). 

Mass Effect 2 isn't a perfect example of using tears but I think that game still benefited from having some good cries in it. Some of the scenes were a bit awkward, but Thane's romance scene and Liara's scene at the end of Lair of the Shadow Broker used tears beautifully. For technical reasons it will probably take several years before we see a proper ugly crying fit in a video game but having a few tears rolling down a character's cheeks can and should be done now, especially in a story-driven game series like Dragon Age.

Edit: And when I say it can be done now, I'm assuming that Frostbite 2 will make it possible. I'm guessing that tears would have been very difficult to do on Eclipse.

Modifié par Ria, 20 novembre 2012 - 01:02 .

[Josielyn]

I love movies that make me cry, like War Horse, for example. Pure catharsis, a purging of the emotions. RPGs have so much potential to allow people to escape being all insensitive and stoic or to demonstrate it. Maybe if we can't cry in real life, we can at least allow our PC to cry. And in real life where we would uncomfortably stare over the person's shoulder to pretend we don't see it, in game we can choose to be comforting or we can choose to tell the NPC how much we hate seeing others cry. Maybe this is taboo, but I think I would have been more likely to spare Loghain if he had cried while talking about his little girl Anora growing up. Crying = true remorse or true grief can be a strong persuader!