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[Fast Jimmy]

Pzykozis wrote...

Sounds like everyone is just waiting to get fatally ambushed by a full english breakfast black pudding and all.

Fools... all will quake before the combined might of Raisin and Bran! The Axis of Cereal is on the move!

[Melca36]

Just a reminder since people have forgotten.





Not all Templars are innocent.

[MisterJB]

Nor all mages.

[Adanu]

MisterJB wrote...

Adanu wrote...
The circle system never worked for mages, it just took this long for them to realize they can fight back.

Templars are self absorbed ****s who think that they have a divine right to control mages. They're learning the hard way it won't be tolerated anymore.

The very same thing could be said of mages. They are self absorbed terrorists who believe freedom is their natural right regardless of how much it might endager and hurt others. The freedom of a man ends when he endangers his neighbor.
It is unbelievable that so many are willing to excuse mages when they hurt others to protect their people and yet are so very ready to demonize the templars if they do the same.

The Templars have had ages to build a system in civilization that is inherently prone to abuse. Who are the mages going to tell? Superior Templars? Templars like Carver who want to genuinely help mages are an exception. We've seen time and time again Templars abuse their position. Circles are no solution... they are, at best, a band aid over a pus filled wound. One day the infection that are current day Templars will spread and the system breaks down.

What is needed is a school system that doesn't involve destroying the humanity and freedoms of mages but has a check against abominations that want to destroy in our world. Not like Tevinter, but not like the old circles. If you treat mages like dogs, they'll eventually bite back when you kick them enough.

If you can't treat mages like people, you get Asunder.

[Melca36]

As I said in a previous post...

If mages want their freedom they have to sign an oath. They have to turn in or even kill Blood Mages.
If they are willing to kill their own kind that participate in blood magic then they deserve their freedom.

Its that simple

[Adanu]

What is so wrong with blood magic? It's magic like any other, it's intent that matters.

[Warden661]

Adanu wrote...

What is so wrong with blood magic? It's magic like any other, it's intent that matters.

The use of it opens the veil completely which can allow demons to pass through into the physical world.

[Rawgrim]

Adanu wrote...

What is so wrong with blood magic? It's magic like any other, it's intent that matters.

"Normal magic" doesn`t open the gates of hell. So to speak.

[JimboGee]

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His intent was to stop Templars and Mages **** footing around the very serious and true issue of THE CURRENT CIRCLE SYSTEM NOT WORKING AND HAVING BROKEN LONG AGO FROM TEMPLAR ABUSES.

Without radical change, there was no way in hell mages would get any semblence of reform of freedom that would work for both parties. Without rebellion, the Templars would simply dictate all terms. Just look at Lambert in Asunder. This man is the LORD SEEKER and essentially the top Templar. Do you really think this man and all others like them would willingly give up the power they held? It was either force, or submission for more ages when reform failed.

People in the modern day don't seem to realize that violence is usually the only way to reform things. It is very, very rare for reform to come without force. Naivette doesn't make you right, it makes you soft.
[/quote]

That is the biggest pile of crock I have read. When the IRA started their bombing campaign against the British government claiming "Ireland should remain Irish" did it get them anywhere ? Funny enough, it turns out most of the people living in Northern Ireland wanted to stay under british rule. Killing innocent people get your point nowhere. In the end it turns people aganst you because they realise how unstable you really are.  When you are willing to kill innocent people, you amass enemies on both sides. If you need further examples look at the beheadings made by the so called freedom fighters in afghanistan. Their actions have caused people to think ALL muslims are terrorist or support terrorism.

[Allan Schumacher]

Blair Brown wrote...

Yes, Thats right fight amongst yourselves. You'll all be too weak to take on the Crepes when they arrive.

Silly crepes, you can not match the power of breakfast sausage and bacon.

I have it on good authority that breakfast sausage and bacon are some of french toast's most steadfast allies.  Nary an appearance of French Toast occurs without sausage and bacon covering the flanks.

Modifié par Allan Schumacher, 21 novembre 2012 - 02:28 .

[Yuoaman]

BoBear wrote...

Adanu wrote...

What is so wrong with blood magic? It's magic like any other, it's intent that matters.

The use of it opens the veil completely which can allow demons to pass through into the physical world.

I only saw that as being an issue if the person were to weak to handle the power or too unskilled in the use of it, it seemed like pretty much any form of magic in the Dragon Age universe, unless you know what you're doing ****'s going to go down, and go down HARD.

[sylvanaerie]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Blair Brown wrote...

Yes, Thats right fight amongst yourselves. You'll all be too weak to take on the Crepes when they arrive.

Silly crepes, you can not match the power of breakfast sausage and bacon.

I have it on good authority that breakfast sausage and bacon are some of french toast's most steadfast allies.  Nary an appearance of French Toast occurs without sausage and bacon covering the flanks.

Yum, French Toast.  I love french toast with a bit of cinnamon and powdered sugar sprinkled on top.  Or bananas/strawberries and whipped cream. 

Damn now I want french toast...

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 21 novembre 2012 - 02:35 .

[Sable Rhapsody]

Yuoaman wrote...

I only saw that as being an issue if the person were to weak to handle the power or too unskilled in the use of it, it seemed like pretty much any form of magic in the Dragon Age universe, unless you know what you're doing ****'s going to go down, and go down HARD.

I'd add the caveat that blood magic is far more difficult to control or use without corruption.  It's like an unskilled person shooting a gun vs. an unskilled person shooting a rocket launcher.  The principle is the same, but blood mage is more dangerous when uncontrolled and easier to mess up.

[Warden661]

Yuoaman wrote...

BoBear wrote...

Adanu wrote...

What is so wrong with blood magic? It's magic like any other, it's intent that matters.

The use of it opens the veil completely which can allow demons to pass through into the physical world.

I only saw that as being an issue if the person were to weak to handle the power or too unskilled in the use of it, it seemed like pretty much any form of magic in the Dragon Age universe, unless you know what you're doing ****'s going to go down, and go down HARD.

Regardless of skill, the veil opens everytime you use it. I'm not saying demons enter the physical world everytime, that's just not true. All I'm saying is that everytime there is a chance that it can happen. This is the big difference between blood magic and all other types of magic.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Blair Brown wrote...

Yes, Thats right fight amongst yourselves. You'll all be too weak to take on the Crepes when they arrive.

Silly crepes, you can not match the power of breakfast sausage and bacon.

I have it on good authority that breakfast sausage and bacon are some of french toast's most steadfast allies.  Nary an appearance of French Toast occurs without sausage and bacon covering the flanks.

Their alliiance's power pale in comparison to the all-powerful oatmeal!

[Plaintiff]

MisterJB wrote...
So is pretending that mundanes haven't also suffered horrendously at the hands of mages or that there aren't good reasons to fear them.

Past abuses do not justify present abuses.

Compromise is a positive thing.

Sometimes.

The creation of the Circle of Magi was a compromise itself; mages would be allowed to perfect their craft so long as they did it under vigilance from the templars and isolation from the larger population.

Except that's not what actually occured. Magical research and practice is heavily restricted by the Chantry and much past knowledge has been destroyed. And you conveniently left out the part where mages can legally be arbitrarily slaughtered at whim. 

Now, a maniacal terrorist wants to change the terms of the agreement.

Yes, and good on him too. More people should follow his example.

[EmperorSahlertz]

So the past abuses aren't an excuse for the present system. Yet once the present system is in the past, that is full justification for the rebellion? Double standards, you has them....

And the Right of Annulment is never done on a "whim". Your rhetoric is plain as day though.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 21 novembre 2012 - 03:17 .

[Yuoaman]

BoBear wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

BoBear wrote...

Adanu wrote...

What is so wrong with blood magic? It's magic like any other, it's intent that matters.

The use of it opens the veil completely which can allow demons to pass through into the physical world.

I only saw that as being an issue if the person were to weak to handle the power or too unskilled in the use of it, it seemed like pretty much any form of magic in the Dragon Age universe, unless you know what you're doing ****'s going to go down, and go down HARD.

Regardless of skill, the veil opens everytime you use it. I'm not saying demons enter the physical world everytime, that's just not true. All I'm saying is that everytime there is a chance that it can happen. This is the big difference between blood magic and all other types of magic.

In that way there is, but if people were to actually research it properly and make sure mages knew about the dangers, and there were ways for them to learn to use it safetly there would be less problems. Just telling someone, "It's bad and you have to stay away from it because it's bad!" won't do anything to stop people from dabbling. It's like sex, if you just tell kids to not do it they're going to do it without knowing about protection and ****. You gotta protect your mages from STDs, guys. And demons, but mostly STDs.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Having sex isn't gonna summon any demonspawn... At least not until nine months later....

[Yuoaman]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Having sex isn't gonna summon any demonspawn... At least not until nine months later....

I don't know, some STDs are far more frightening than any demonspawn...

[Plaintiff]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

So the past abuses aren't an excuse for the present system. Yet once the present system is in the past, that is full justification for the rebellion? Double standards, you has them....

Rebellion is not abuse, it's self-defense. The mages are taking the necessary measures to protect themselves from further abuses. They tried to break away peacefully and the Templars and Seekers chose to be aggressive. Any loss of life that occurs as a result of this conflict is entirely on the shoulders of Lord Seeker Lambert.

And the Right of Annulment is never done on a "whim". Your rhetoric is plain as day though. Amateur.

The hell it isn't. That is exactly what happened in Kirkwall.

Divine Galatea, responding to the catastrophe in Nevarra and hoping to prevent further incidents, granted all the grand clerics of the Chantry the power to purge a Circle entirely if they rule it irredeemable.

Source: http://dragonage.wik...ht_of_Annulment

Whether or not something is "irredeemable" is completely subjective (for example, I consider the pro-templar argument anyone who supports it to be 'irredeemably stupid', but others clearly disagree).

There is no way to make such a judgement without being arbitrary. Divine Galatea never once laid out a criteria by which "irredeemable" could be defined, so any Grand Cleric is free to use the word however the hell they want. Even if Divine Galatea had laid out such a criteria, it would still just be her subjective opinion, with no basis in fact. But thanks to Galatea's vague wording, a Grand Cleric can rule a circle "irredeemable" if a templar so much as sneezes, and there's no system in place whatsoever to prevent this power from being abused, as we saw in DA2, when Meredith declared annulment of the Circle as the result of a crime that had nothing to do with the Circle.

And I was not just referring to the right of annulment. Mages can be killed during the Harrowing if the overseers arbitrarily decide that it's taking "too long". And mages can also be tranquiled without ever getting the chance to take the Harrowing if the Knight-Commander and First Enchanter arbitrarily decide them to be "too weak" to risk it. Again, there is no criteria by which these conditions can be defined, so it is left completely up to the subjective opinion of individuals who may not even be qualified to make the decision, because promotion is based on zealotry and not actual competence.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 21 novembre 2012 - 03:36 .

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

BoBear wrote...

Yuoaman wrote...

BoBear wrote...

Adanu wrote...

What is so wrong with blood magic? It's magic like any other, it's intent that matters.

The use of it opens the veil completely which can allow demons to pass through into the physical world.

I only saw that as being an issue if the person were to weak to handle the power or too unskilled in the use of it, it seemed like pretty much any form of magic in the Dragon Age universe, unless you know what you're doing ****'s going to go down, and go down HARD.

Regardless of skill, the veil opens everytime you use it. I'm not saying demons enter the physical world everytime, that's just not true. All I'm saying is that everytime there is a chance that it can happen. This is the big difference between blood magic and all other types of magic.

I remember Gaider saying that even if the Circles didn't tend to be established in places with a weak veil, having a Circle there would weaken the veil. So unless there's a large number of blood mages in every circle, regular magic can weaken the veil too.

Modifié par Riverdaleswhiteflash, 21 novembre 2012 - 03:36 .

[silentassassin264]

Riverdaleswhiteflash wrote...

I remember Gaider saying that even if the Circles didn't tend to be established in places with a weak veil, having a Circle there would weaken the veil. So unless there's a large number of blood mages in every circle, regular magic can weaken the veil too.

http://dragonage.wik...gma_of_Kirkwall

Kirkwall was essentially the line between the fade and the real world and they build one of the largest circles in Thedas there.  

[SeptimusMagistos]

Melca36 wrote...

As I said in a previous post...

If mages want their freedom they have to sign an oath. They have to turn in or even kill Blood Mages.
If they are willing to kill their own kind that participate in blood magic then they deserve their freedom.

Its that simple

If anyone so much as glances at Merrill wrong, I'm making all their blood drain out their ears, be they mage, Templar, guard, noble, or dirt farmer.

I'm willing to go along with it if you replace 'blood magic' with 'evil magic', meaning rituals which deliberately harm innocents, either due to their effect or as a source of power.

If someone is sacrificing the unwilling? By all means, let's all gang up on them, mage and mundane alike.

If someone's quietly slitting their own wrists when they need a power boost? Let them be.

[BlueMagitek]

Given the amount of blood mages, illegal research and madness in general, Kirkwall should probably be scrapped altogether as a place for a Circle. :/