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[MstrJedi Kyle]

Mary Kirby wrote...

FaWa wrote...

 This better not be the case... The one thing Bioware let us choose our stance on in DA2...

In every single conversation throughout the game, you will be forced to express your undying love of waffles.

No. No, you won`t.

mmm waffles

[sylvanaerie]

Mary Kirby wrote...

FaWa wrote...

 This better not be the case... The one thing Bioware let us choose our stance on in DA2...

In every single conversation throughout the game, you will be forced to express your undying love of waffles.

No. No, you won`t.

What if you don't like waffles?  What if you prefer pancakes instead?  MORE controversy!  Multiple threads of waffles vs pancakes with fans taking sides and arguing fanatically devoted to their favored breakfast food till someone mentions they like waffles for dinner!  *GASP!*  *Falls to knees, eyes heavenward* Maker NOOOOO!  Say it isn't so?  Can't we all just get along?

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 19 novembre 2012 - 09:25 .

[CrazyRah]

Mary Kirby wrote...

FaWa wrote...

 This better not be the case... The one thing Bioware let us choose our stance on in DA2...

In every single conversation throughout the game, you will be forced to express your undying love of waffles.

No. No, you won`t.

I could actually live with that, waffles are just that awesome 

[Drasynd]

Still it doesn't matter, since EAware is pro-chantry. Gamers that don't like the chantry or are anti-chantry will be, most likely, forced to a chantry saving role.

[DarthLaxian]

Liamv2 wrote...

No that would be insane and a possible killing blow to bioware

if that were the case and the studio would be "destroyed" by this decision, then i probably would not care anymore, because doing something like this (forcing us to become templar zealots without the option of not doing so) makes them a lost cause - even more if you look at their past games (most are really really good) they would be unworthy of their own legacy)

greetings LAX

[Warden661]

No. You'll be a part the Inquisition, an official "investigation" conducted by the Chantry. Both Templars and the Circles have rebelled against the Chantry to fight each other. I like to look at it this way: you're the one who will get to decide who is right and who is wrong for the Chantry. You could be the one who changes the way the Chantry looks at the world.

Thats just my opinion of course. I could be wrong. Either way I highly doubt you'll be forced to choose the Templars side. I don't know why people keep thinking that they're going to. I know we all love to point out even the smallest of flaws that bioware games have. But now we're making up new ones that haven't even happened yet, and probably won't.

[Lotion Soronarr]

I surely hope so.

BioWare left the Cerberus supporters hanging with ME.
Balance must be mantained.
DA3 needs to have only pro-templar options and all mages have to be presented as incompetent and stupid monsters.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 19 novembre 2012 - 11:45 .

[Plaintiff]

Nizaris1 wrote...

In DA2 obviously they want us to be pro Templar

- a lot of crazy blood Mages
- Hawke mom killed by crazy blood mage
- Anders blow up Chantry
- Merill using blood magic in her problem, end up demon appearing from Merethari
- Hawke sibling got kidnapped by blood mages and mind controlled Templar
- Orsino become monster

Obvious is obvious

That's not obvious at all.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Nizaris1 wrote...

it is obvious, what reason to side with mages actually? The whole game showing dark side of mages only and also personal vendetta against Mages.

The only reason to side mages is, the Circle mage have nothing to do with the Chantry bombing, the one who guilty is right there babbling, execute him! But Meredith want to kill everyone else...not him in front of her eyes

That is the only reason to side with Mages

So everything is against mages in DA2, but because Meredith is a moron, we should side with mages. pfft ... <_<

I'm glad I haven't played this game.

Modifié par Legatus Arianus, 19 novembre 2012 - 11:40 .

[Dave of Canada]

I hope all mages get possessed by demons and we're forced to side with the Templar, thus revealing that all mages are actually evil all along and they've been lying to manipulate gullible people into supporting their cause. Led by the manipulative and powerful Fiona who believes herself to not be possessed but she actually is and the final battle has you realize it and she kills herself.

We've already got the imagery. All mages are shown with a three-headed dragon / hydra, similar to the three headed dog Cerberus and we know Cerberus in Mass Effect was the most evil thing.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 19 novembre 2012 - 11:57 .

[The Elder King]

I hope there'll be freedom in choosing the sides. I'll be disappointed if we are going to be forced to side with either mages or templars (or the Chantry), as I was in ME3 with not having the choice to join Cerberus and being forced with the Alliance (even if I'd have chosen the Alliance for my canon playthrough). I want freedom in the faction choice.

[Swagger7]

Mary Kirby wrote...

FaWa wrote...

 This better not be the case... The one thing Bioware let us choose our stance on in DA2...

In every single conversation throughout the game, you will be forced to express your undying love of waffles.

No. No, you won`t.

I demand a waffle for companion and LI! 

[Fallstar]

I hope the modern inquisition is more of an independent organization than just another arm of the chantry.

[Plaintiff]

Legatus Arianus wrote...

Nizaris1 wrote...

it is obvious, what reason to side with mages actually? The whole game showing dark side of mages only and also personal vendetta against Mages.

The only reason to side mages is, the Circle mage have nothing to do with the Chantry bombing, the one who guilty is right there babbling, execute him! But Meredith want to kill everyone else...not him in front of her eyes

That is the only reason to side with Mages

So everything is against mages in DA2, but because Meredith is a moron, we should side with mages. pfft ... <_<

I'm glad I haven't played this game.

DA2 offers plenty of reason to dislike Templars. There is no "should", the game does not force you to choose mages.

Modifié par Plaintiff, 19 novembre 2012 - 12:25 .

[DarthLaxian]

@dave of canada
cerberus was not evil (at least not until ME3 - yes it had a lot of grey and dark grey but it was not evil for evil's sake, meaning their actions always had a goal)

as for the rest of your posting:

no, just NO - we had two guys kill themselves now (at least if you could get them to do it....Saren and TIM) and i would not want it for such an interesting character as Fiona (i would want her as a companion though)

greetings LAX

Modifié par DarthLaxian, 19 novembre 2012 - 12:42 .

[Plaintiff]

[quote]Nizaris1 wrote...
1. a group of mages run away from the Circle, a Templar ask you to persuade them to turn in, as soon as you in the cave, you are attacked by blood mage, then one Mage got chicked out want to turn in, then you are attacked by blood mage the  run away mage leader, then his girlfriend ask you to kill the Templar outside

i. if you help the mages, they turn on you in later Act
ii. if you side the Templar, everything resolve peacefully, the mages turn on you in later Act
iii. if you change your mind, don't want to handover the mages, you must kill all the Templars except one, the mges not helping you, the mages still turn on you in later Act
iv. if you help them, without killing the Templar, they still turn on you in later act

- what is the reason to side with those mages?[/quote]
How about the fact that Ser Karras, the templar in charge of capturing them, is a rapist?

[quote]2. You heard rumors about Templar killing recruit, turn out to be false. You find a Templar captain harassing a recruit, later boom that recruit become abomination.[/quote]
It's okay to hit people for no good reason if they turn out to be demons later! 

[quote]Then you investigate further, nearly got mind conrolled by apostate prostitue. Further investigation lead to a crazy female blood mage who making Templars become abominations.

- what is the reason to side with mages?[/quote]
The fact that some mages behave badly does not change the fact that templars also behave badly.

[quote]3. Anders ask you to help him free his friend. Later you are attacked by group of Templars

- what is the reason to hate the Templar? They just doing their job[/quote]
Sure, if their job is to illegally tranquil mages behind the Knight-Commanders back, at the order of Ser Alrik, who is also a rapist.

You know who else was just "doing their job"? The American soldiers responsible for the My Lai Massacre, concentration camp officers, the men in charge of the Salem Witch Hunts, the Spanish Inquisition, The Crusaders, every invading army ever...

Since when is "just doing my job" an excuse for blatant abuse?

[quote]4. Anders ask to investigate a templar who ove to abuse female mages and want to lobotomize all mages, it is called a solution for mage problem. Later you find them, fight with them. Anders nearly kill the one who you want to save, and later you learned that Meredith and Grand Cleric never agree to lobotomize all mages

- what the reason to side with mages? The Templar and Chantry is not wrong in that, only Sir Alrik[/quote]
Sir Alrik and all his friends, plus Ser Karras and all his friends makes two templar rape-gangs. If Elthina and Meredith aren't aware that this is going on, then they're too incompetent to live.

[quote]5. A boy got dream problem

i. sent to Dalish, he is not cured
ii. sent to the Circle, he is not cured either[/quote]
Which proves only that sending him to the Dalish is an equally valid option

And in Act 2, Marethari is the one who provides the ancient Dalish rite to help Feynriel battle the demons and master his powers.. Not the circle, not the templars, not the chantry. A dalish apostate. And the only way for Feynriel to gain better control is for him to go to Tevinter.

[quote]6. You investigate a murder, later turn out to be the work of a blood mage, and your mother is one of his victim

- what is the reason to side with mages?[/quote]
How about the fact that the incompetent templar order failed to invesitgate the issue properly because Meredith was too busy being a power-hoarding psychotic? 

[quote]7. you are sent by Meredith to investigate missing mages, one of them become abomination, the other one kill his wife then going blood magic

- what the reason side with mages?[/quote]
It's made pretty damn clear that they were normal, healthy, sane individuals before the templars got their hands on them.

[quote]8. Merill using blood magic to repair her mirror, lead to her Keeper try to kill a demon in the Fade to protect Merill, then later she succumb to the demon, you and Merill have to kill her, magic is bad

- what the reason to side with mages?[/quote]
How about the fact that Merrill's magic just helped you kill that demon?

[quote]9. The mages who you saved or turn in in previous act kidnap your sibling, no discussion, no non violent approach, the mages turn into abomination, kill the Templar and and attack you

- what the reason to side with mages again?[/quote]
The fact that their anger is misplaced doesn't make their situation any less unjust.

[quote]10. you help Fenris with his problem, you saw demons, shades, blood magic experiments, Tevinter mages...and so on

- what the reason to side with mages?[/quote]
Fenris is being chased by one mage and his lackeys. And considering what a generally unpleasant, bigoted douchebag he is, they're really doing you a favour.

[quote]11. As soon as you side with mages after Chantry bombing, mages turn into abominations and attack you. Later Orsino become a monster.[/quote]
And if you side with the Templars, Meredith turns on you and summons up a bunch of statues to turn you into paste.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Dave of Canada wrote...

I hope all mages get possessed by demons and we're forced to side with the Templar, thus revealing that all mages are actually evil all along and they've been lying to manipulate gullible people into supporting their cause. Led by the manipulative and powerful Fiona who believes herself to not be possessed but she actually is and the final battle has you realize it and she kills herself.

We've already got the imagery. All mages are shown with a three-headed dragon / hydra, similar to the three headed dog Cerberus and we know Cerberus in Mass Effect was the most evil thing.

QFT

[Plaintiff]

Nizaris1 wrote...
Tell me, how many good mages in this game? I can answer you, ONLY ONE, your sister Bethany

That's opinion, not fact. "Good" and "Evil" are subjective, and overall "good" people can still do "evil" things.

I think Anders is good, and that his actions are totally justified.

I think Merrill is good, simply misguided.

I think Marethari is good, but also misguided and a bit selfish.

I think Alain is good, and simply stuck in a desperate situation

I think Feynriel is good, and needs help and understanding, rather than to be locked up in a glorified dungeon crawling with rapists.

[geret25]

I have arrived, and it is now that i perform my charge.
In fealty to the Maker and by the Grace of Andraste, I declare Exterminatus upon the Blood Mages of Thedas.
I hereby sign the death warrant of an entire world and consign a million souls to oblivion.
May the Maker's Justice account in all balance.
The Maker Protects.

Inquisitor Geraxo Hawke

[FaWa]

Lol for every good templar there are 3 good mages.