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[Lotion Soronarr]

Wow... just wow.

In-game fluff is written from various POV's and some if it is given by the devs directly.
And lies? I don't know what game you've been playing, but that certanly isn't what the Chantry is saying.

[thibaut72]

If mages are so powerful, why the world of Thedas isn't destroy yet ? Several centuries before the templars and the Chantry rised, where the mage were free, and Thedas always exist ? It's weird ...

[frankf43]

Until I see it actually impacting the game then I don't believe it. Its propaganda spouted to make me side against the mages.

The chantry wouldn't even let the mages light the signal fire in DA:O because of their hatred.

Modifié par frankf43, 28 novembre 2012 - 01:08 .

[The Hierophant]

thibaut72 wrote...

If mages are so powerful, why the world of Thedas isn't destroy yet ? Several centuries before the templars and the Chantry rised, where the mage were free, and Thedas always exist ? It's weird ...

The tainted Magisters almost destroying all of Thedas during the First Blight doesn't count?

[DKJaigen]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Reavers are no where near as powerfull as mages or abominations.

Also, reavers can't mind-force peopel into obedince nor tear open the veil or summon demons.

Reavers have no counter except throwing a large amount of bodies against a reaver. that makes them much more powerful then a mage because templars can nullify a mages power. And the thing is an army of reavers would be a terrifying thing indeed . furthermore reavers can be created .

Gameplay balance is not an argument for anything.

Reavers aren't that powerfull or intimidating.

Despite saying that mundanes are frail they the options to become to become equal to the mages.

They don't. They arne't equals.

Its funny to see how templar supporters ignore the facts that could contradict them. Thats why they focus on mages and templars. Because any argument the templars supporters may have is made utterly  irrelevant with this simple statement: mages are vital for the protection of thedas. The end. If you treat a people that are vital to the defense of thedas so badly that they rebel then you have failed to protect Thedas as a whole.

Start brining in some real facts and then we can talk.
The type of mage supporters like you are blind and live in a dream world, lacking any perspective and a sense of practicality.

Oh - mages aren't vital to the protection of Thedas. If it lives, it can be killed.
Wether a dragon or qunari.

The facts are in the codexes. And Lotion stop posting and get out in the real world because you are way to obsessed with this. and im normally trolling you for my amusement.

[DKJaigen]

The Hierophant wrote...

thibaut72 wrote...

If mages are so powerful, why the world of Thedas isn't destroy yet ? Several centuries before the templars and the Chantry rised, where the mage were free, and Thedas always exist ? It's weird ...

The tainted Magisters almost destroying all of Thedas during the First Blight doesn't count?

Are they responsible?

[The Hierophant]

DKJaigen wrote...

The Hierophant wrote...

thibaut72 wrote...

If mages are so powerful, why the world of Thedas isn't destroy yet ? Several centuries before the templars and the Chantry rised, where the mage were free, and Thedas always exist ? It's weird ...

The tainted Magisters almost destroying all of Thedas during the First Blight doesn't count?

Are they responsible?

Corypheus confirmed it with his dialogue, and Janeka said that the 1st Blight truly ended when he was captured.

[LobselVith8]

DKJaigen wrote...

Are they responsible?

Corypheus said the City was already Black when the Magisters arrived, suggesting that the Magisters weren't the first darkspawn, or even the first 'awakened' darkspawn. His account contradicts what the Chantry claimed transpired. In addition, the first dwarven accounts of darkspawn make no mention of darkspawn like Corypheus.

[The Hierophant]

LobselVith8 wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Are they responsible?

Corypheus said the City was already Black when the Magisters arrived, suggesting that the Magisters weren't the first darkspawn, or even the first 'awakened' darkspawn. His account contradicts what the Chantry claimed transpired. In addition, the first dwarven accounts of darkspawn make no mention of darkspawn like Corypheus.

Corypheus still confirms that he traveled to the GC for power like the CoL mentions but was tainted by the place instead of tainting it like what the CoL mentioned. This still partially confirms the CoL, but the verdict is still out on The Maker's existence, and his motivations for punishing Thedas if he does exist. Plus there's no indication that darkspawn existed before the first blight, as the Primeval Thaig held no recordings or signs of their existence.

*edit* Then wouldn't that indicate that Corypheus or the other magisters mostly stayed topside during the first blight.

Modifié par The Hierophant, 28 novembre 2012 - 02:22 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

DKJaigen wrote...

The facts are in the codexes. And Lotion stop posting and get out in the real world because you are way to obsessed with this. and im normally trolling you for my amusement.

Alas, I'm required to sit in my office, else I don't get a paycheck.

You trolling me? I must say I'm shocked.

[Lotion Soronarr]

thibaut72 wrote...

If mages are so powerful, why the world of Thedas isn't destroy yet ? Several centuries before the templars and the Chantry rised, where the mage were free, and Thedas always exist ? It's weird ...

Because there's so few of them, not all become abominations and for centuries people were hounding and killing them?

[Lotion Soronarr]

frankf43 wrote...

Until I see it actually impacting the game then I don't believe it. Its propaganda spouted to make me side against the mages.

The chantry wouldn't even let the mages light the signal fire in DA:O because of their hatred.

Reverend Mother whatshername does not equal Chantry.
It's no propaganda. It's the truth.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The biggest treat to civilisation in the game were the Arishok and Meredith both of whom had no magic and were opposed to it wholeheartedly.

Arishok? He's a HP sponge, but realisticly the qunari made a suicide attack. They had no chance of wining. none.

Actually, if not for Hawke, the Qunari could have won the battle. I doubt they could have held Kirkwall for very long, but they could have defeated the Kirkwall forces.

[DKJaigen]

The Hierophant wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Are they responsible?

Corypheus said the City was already Black when the Magisters arrived, suggesting that the Magisters weren't the first darkspawn, or even the first 'awakened' darkspawn. His account contradicts what the Chantry claimed transpired. In addition, the first dwarven accounts of darkspawn make no mention of darkspawn like Corypheus.

Corypheus still confirms that he traveled to the GC for power like the CoL mentions but was tainted by the place instead of tainting it like what the CoL mentioned. This still partially confirms the CoL, but the verdict is still out on The Maker's existence, and his motivations for punishing Thedas if he does exist. Plus there's no indication that darkspawn existed before the first blight, as the Primeval Thaig held no recordings or signs of their existence.

*edit* Then wouldn't that indicate that Corypheus or the other magisters mostly stayed topside during the first blight.

Their are some indications darkspawn existed prior before that. For example how do you explain the sheer numbers of the darkspawn? they had enough spawn to attack the 2 largest empires at the time. Second part. Do you know that little movie at the beginning of DA1 where dwarves where batteling the darkspawn? it was a scene from the first blight but it had an ogre in it. When some people pointed this out to DG he said it was not a lore error. Either the darkspawn got really really lucky and somehow captured kossith female (who are at this point not even on thedas) or they are far more widespread then we believe. 

[DKJaigen]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

The facts are in the codexes. And Lotion stop posting and get out in the real world because you are way to obsessed with this. and im normally trolling you for my amusement.

Alas, I'm required to sit in my office, else I don't get a paycheck.

You trolling me? I must say I'm shocked.

Shouldnt you be working mate?

[Todd23]

DKJaigen wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

The facts are in the codexes. And Lotion stop posting and get out in the real world because you are way to obsessed with this. and im normally trolling you for my amusement.

Alas, I'm required to sit in my office, else I don't get a paycheck.

You trolling me? I must say I'm shocked.

Shouldnt you be working mate?

If one didn't go here while at work.  Then when? 

[Lotion Soronarr]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The biggest treat to civilisation in the game were the Arishok and Meredith both of whom had no magic and were opposed to it wholeheartedly.

Arishok? He's a HP sponge, but realisticly the qunari made a suicide attack. They had no chance of wining. none.

Actually, if not for Hawke, the Qunari could have won the battle. I doubt they could have held Kirkwall for very long, but they could have defeated the Kirkwall forces.

No, they couldn't have.

The Quanri managed to reach the viscount in the first place because it was a surprise attack and the guard was spread out an unprepared. Templars and mages joined the frey after.
They stood no chance.

[Lotion Soronarr]

DKJaigen wrote...
Shouldnt you be working mate?

Slow day at work.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The biggest treat to civilisation in the game were the Arishok and Meredith both of whom had no magic and were opposed to it wholeheartedly.

Arishok? He's a HP sponge, but realisticly the qunari made a suicide attack. They had no chance of wining. none.

Actually, if not for Hawke, the Qunari could have won the battle. I doubt they could have held Kirkwall for very long, but they could have defeated the Kirkwall forces.

No, they couldn't have.

The Quanri managed to reach the viscount in the first place because it was a surprise attack and the guard was spread out an unprepared. Templars and mages joined the frey after.
They stood no chance.

A whole group of trained battle mages died at the hands of a single unarmored unit of Qunari soldiers. It took at least 6 fully armed and armored trained City Guards to kill a single unarmored Qunari warrior. Kirkwall stood no chance without Hawke.

[Sylvius the Mad]

How is it that Hawke is more powerful than whole units of trained battlemages?

That didn't make any sense at all.

[Heimdall]

LobselVith8 wrote...

DKJaigen wrote...

Are they responsible?

Corypheus said the City was already Black when the Magisters arrived, suggesting that the Magisters weren't the first darkspawn, or even the first 'awakened' darkspawn. His account contradicts what the Chantry claimed transpired. In addition, the first dwarven accounts of darkspawn make no mention of darkspawn like Corypheus.

Actually what he says is "We were promised a golden city but it was black." Or something along those lines.  That could mean what you say but it could also mean that the city was blackened when it came into their possession, thus they never got what they were promised.  Furthermore, even if you're correct, it does not prove that there were Darkspawn before the Magisters.  Such Magisters were few in number as I understand it and they created the rest of the Darkspawn through the spread of the taint.  It's understandable if the few who saw them died and the Grey Wardens seemed keen to cover up their existence.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

How is it that Hawke is more powerful than whole units of trained battlemages?

That didn't make any sense at all.

Because Hawke is the Player Character. Player Characters in all games are always some person of near divine power, when it comes to succeedeing against the odds.

[Fredward]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

And nothing Marethari did endangered her clan, she gave her life trying to protect someone who abandoned it years ago. Stupidly, but her intentions were good. 

So that abomination didn't endanger the clan?
Tell me - what would happen if Hawke wasn't there to stop it?

But Hawke was there to stop it, she wouldn't have brought the demon into herself otherwise. It was a responsible self sacrificing (if stupid) decision.

Also since no one could name five mages that didn't do horrible terrible things because of the temlplars (that weren't Tevinter) I'mma go do a victory dance over there in that corner.

!!!OONTZ OONTZ VICTORY DANCE OONTZ VICTORY DANCE OONTZ OONTZ  VICTORY!!! XD

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

How is it that Hawke is more powerful than whole units of trained battlemages?

That didn't make any sense at all.

It didn't make any sense at all that my mage Hawke could wipe out mini (and not so mini) armies of fully trained templars single handedly. It's a gameplay limitation obvsly but its still so weird. xp

[Lotion Soronarr]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A whole group of trained battle mages died at the hands of a single unarmored unit of Qunari soldiers. It took at least 6 fully armed and armored trained City Guards to kill a single unarmored Qunari warrior. Kirkwall stood no chance without Hawke.

Eh? When and where?

Mind you that scenery decorations means nothing.

And I call BS on the bolded. No. friggin. way.

[Fredward]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A whole group of trained battle mages died at the hands of a single unarmored unit of Qunari soldiers. It took at least 6 fully armed and armored trained City Guards to kill a single unarmored Qunari warrior. Kirkwall stood no chance without Hawke.

Eh? When and where?

Mind you that scenery decorations means nothing.

And I call BS on the bolded. No. friggin. way.

Much as I loathe to agree with Lotion dude that DOES seem extremely unlikely. Unless it was an ambush. While the mages were asleep. And gagged. And tied up. And naked. And possibly dead. XD