Auintus wrote...
Vandicus wrote...
Orsino gave Quentin books on necromancy and was involved in the research. Would that be considered conspiring?
Woah, when did that happen?
Auintus wrote...
Experience and capability aren't always one and the same. Practice helps, yes, but that ritual is a one-time thing. How would he practice something like that?
I don't think that the harvester was quite the same as the Golems version.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it questionable how much Orsino actually knew about Quentin's serial killing.Vandicus wrote...
Auintus wrote...
Vandicus wrote...
Orsino gave Quentin books on necromancy and was involved in the research. Would that be considered conspiring?
Woah, when did that happen?
Its in the letter to Quentin IIRC. Memory is a bit fuzzy, but Orsino gave him books on necromancy to start off the research and was involved for a portion of the research(at least in the sense of passing theories back and forth, not necessarily the catching people and cutting them up part).
Vandicus wrote...
Auintus wrote...
TobiTobsen wrote...
Becoming a Harvester is not really a spell that I would expect to find in "Blood Magic for Dummies". That spell has to require more foreknowledge than simply slitting you wrist for the first time.
Right. He said the ritual was in Quentin's research.
On a sort've tangential note, Quentin appears to be on the cutting edge of blood magic research. If the Tevinter Imperium gained access to his notes and designed a way to control these beings(like golem control rods) they would rapidly eradicate any opposition. A few slaves and a little blood and they've got a creature more fearsome than a golem. What's more they can use the remains from a battlefield to build more.
Vandicus wrote...
Auintus wrote...
TobiTobsen wrote...
Becoming a Harvester is not really a spell that I would expect to find in "Blood Magic for Dummies". That spell has to require more foreknowledge than simply slitting you wrist for the first time.
Right. He said the ritual was in Quentin's research.
On a sort've tangential note, Quentin appears to be on the cutting edge of blood magic research. If the Tevinter Imperium gained access to his notes and designed a way to control these beings(like golem control rods) they would rapidly eradicate any opposition. A few slaves and a little blood and they've got a creature more fearsome than a golem. What's more they can use the remains from a battlefield to build more.
Palidane wrote...
Vandicus wrote...
On a sort've tangential note, Quentin appears to be on the cutting edge of blood magic research. If the Tevinter Imperium gained access to his notes and designed a way to control these beings(like golem control rods) they would rapidly eradicate any opposition. A few slaves and a little blood and they've got a creature more fearsome than a golem. What's more they can use the remains from a battlefield to build more.
Good. Maybe they can finally put up a better fight against the Qunari.
Xilizhra wrote...
No, the war didn't start in Kirkwall,
the Circle did not need an Annulment,
And again, the actual war was started by Lambert.
Lord Aesir wrote...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it questionable how much Orsino actually knew about Quentin's serial killing.Vandicus wrote...
Auintus wrote...
Vandicus wrote...
Orsino gave Quentin books on necromancy and was involved in the research. Would that be considered conspiring?
Woah, when did that happen?
Its in the letter to Quentin IIRC. Memory is a bit fuzzy, but Orsino gave him books on necromancy to start off the research and was involved for a portion of the research(at least in the sense of passing theories back and forth, not necessarily the catching people and cutting them up part).
Modifié par TobiTobsen, 02 décembre 2012 - 11:17 .
Auintus wrote...
BlueMagitek wrote...
Then we have an accord. ~_^
And Xil, when your First Enchanter is a blood mage (and working with serial killers) and there are a number of blood mages amongst your ranks, there is need for some form of cleansing. If not the RoA, then something else.
Knowing blood magic and using blood magic are two very different things. "Until this moment, I have never used blood magic." And he wasn't working with Quentin, just covering up after him to avoid giving Meredith more ammunition against the mages(still a grave error).
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, people fear the mutants for being born with special abilities, same story here. Only more religion. Im not making a bad statement, I love X Men lol. Just a 6:00 am observation really. 
Modifié par Flurdt07, 02 décembre 2012 - 11:50 .
Flurdt07 wrote...
Kirkwall was waiting to explode, if it had not been Anders, it would have been something else. Place was just waiting to pop
The more we get into this, the more I think of X Men
Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 02 décembre 2012 - 01:04 .
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Flurdt07 wrote...
Kirkwall was waiting to explode, if it had not been Anders, it would have been something else. Place was just waiting to pop
The more we get into this, the more I think of X Men
I for one and not a fan of X-Men.
And if anything, the poeple in X-Men have even more reaosn to fear muties.
Someone like Prof X can frak up the entire world.
Vandicus wrote...
Its in the letter to Quentin IIRC. Memory is a bit fuzzy, but Orsino gave him books on necromancy to start off the research and was involved for a portion of the research(at least in the sense of passing theories back and forth, not necessarily the catching people and cutting them up part).
BlueMagitek wrote...
That's a very good point, but this is the very first time he's doing something, according to him. He's probably lying, but eh. Yes, that does bring up the point about how we can have reliable kill/sacrifice techniques. How do we know they work? He must have spent many nights working on this spell, studying it.
It may not be, but it's still, you know, a Harvester.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Those two things can be hard to impossible to tell apart (and was Orsino even supposed to know blood magic at all?)
And characters in DA don't have the luxury of our knowledge of things, so when blood mage activity is trough the roof, deciding to cut ones losses and anull the cirlce is not crazy. Cruel and final? Perhaps. But not really crazy.
Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Meredith was a bit bonkers at that point. But she probably thought that blood mages corrupted msot of the Circle by that point.
As for Orsino lying..dunno. Some people like till they die.
They lie to themsleves to the point they actually start believing their own lies.
It's a terrible shame about Orsino - he seemed so rational and OK, but at the end there are several scenes that make me doubt him.
First was his refusal to agree with the tower search. (hiding himself or known bloodmages?)
Second was Bethanis sudden change of mind (blood magic?)
And lastly, the harvester.
It is possible he was a blood mage all along. But at least he was smarter than Anders and avoided conflict.
Auintus wrote...
Maybe, but considering everything Orsino had done previously, I think he was just trying to protect his charges. He just gave up, or in, as he puts it, after seeing all those mages killed.
1) I think we're missing some context there. Their argument implies that it is beyond the ordinary.
2) I missed that on my templar playthrough. What exactly happens?
Solmanian wrote...
What? this thread is still around? I would think it would take less than 47 pages to figure out that you won't be forced to be pro templar...
Flurdt07 wrote...
Kirkwall was waiting to explode, if it had not been Anders, it would have been something else. Place was just waiting to pop .
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