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[Adanu]

BoBear wrote...

Adanu wrote...

His intent was to stop Templars and Mages **** footing around the very serious and true issue of THE CURRENT CIRCLE SYSTEM NOT WORKING AND HAVING BROKEN LONG AGO FROM TEMPLAR ABUSES.

Without radical change, there was no way in hell mages would get any semblence of reform of freedom that would work for both parties. Without rebellion, the Templars would simply dictate all terms. Just look at Lambert in Asunder. This man is the LORD SEEKER and essentially the top Templar. Do you really think this man and all others like them would willingly give up the power they held? It was either force, or submission for more ages when reform failed.

People in the modern day don't seem to realize that violence is usually the only way to reform things. It is very, very rare for reform to come without force. Naivette doesn't make you right, it makes you soft.

We could argue exactly what his intent was but whatever that exactly is does not justify killing innocent people. I'll agree that a war is needed to end this conflict but I will not agree that what Anders did to start it was neccessary. Nor was it justified.

If he didn't do what he did, he wouldn't have pushed everyone past trying to compromise and into open conflict. He was lucky with Meredith going insane. He probably saw it coming.

If he didn't do what he did, it would have simply turned into another set of pot shots. Meredith didn't have the authority to anull the circle without the priestess dead. He know exactly what he was doing when he killed her. Without her as a check, the tension spilled over into the streets. It sucks for the bystanders for sure.... but it sucked for AGES for the mages. Pretending what the mages went through for all of that time was nothing is naive at best.

[macrocarl]

Mary Kirby wrote...

FaWa wrote...

 This better not be the case... The one thing Bioware let us choose our stance on in DA2...

In every single conversation throughout the game, you will be forced to express your undying love of waffles.

No. No, you won`t.

Oh good. I was enraged that DA2 and DAO didn't have enough waffle dialog choices!

[MisterJB]

Adanu wrote...
If he didn't do what he did, he wouldn't have pushed everyone past trying to compromise and into open conflict. He was lucky with Meredith going insane. He probably saw it coming.

If he didn't do what he did, it would have simply turned into another set of pot shots. Meredith didn't have the authority to anull the circle without the priestess dead. He know exactly what he was doing when he killed her. Without her as a check, the tension spilled over into the streets. It sucks for the bystanders for sure.... but it sucked for AGES for the mages. Pretending what the mages went through for all of that time was nothing is naive at best.

So is pretending that mundanes haven't also suffered horrendously at the hands of mages or that there aren't good reasons to fear them.
Compromise is a positive thing. The creation of the Circle of Magi was a compromise itself; mages would be allowed to perfect their craft so long as they did it under vigilance from the templars and isolation from the larger population. Now, a maniacal terrorist wants to change the terms of the agreement.

[Travie]

Mary Kirby wrote...

FaWa wrote...

 This better not be the case... The one thing Bioware let us choose our stance on in DA2...

In every single conversation throughout the game, you will be forced to express your undying love of waffles.

No. No, you won`t.

Waffles vs Pancakes.

The true war has come...

[Warden661]

Adanu wrote...

BoBear wrote...

Adanu wrote...

His intent was to stop Templars and Mages **** footing around the very serious and true issue of THE CURRENT CIRCLE SYSTEM NOT WORKING AND HAVING BROKEN LONG AGO FROM TEMPLAR ABUSES.

Without radical change, there was no way in hell mages would get any semblence of reform of freedom that would work for both parties. Without rebellion, the Templars would simply dictate all terms. Just look at Lambert in Asunder. This man is the LORD SEEKER and essentially the top Templar. Do you really think this man and all others like them would willingly give up the power they held? It was either force, or submission for more ages when reform failed.

People in the modern day don't seem to realize that violence is usually the only way to reform things. It is very, very rare for reform to come without force. Naivette doesn't make you right, it makes you soft.

We could argue exactly what his intent was but whatever that exactly is does not justify killing innocent people. I'll agree that a war is needed to end this conflict but I will not agree that what Anders did to start it was neccessary. Nor was it justified.

If he didn't do what he did, he wouldn't have pushed everyone past trying to compromise and into open conflict. He was lucky with Meredith going insane. He probably saw it coming.

If he didn't do what he did, it would have simply turned into another set of pot shots. Meredith didn't have the authority to anull the circle without the priestess dead. He know exactly what he was doing when he killed her. Without her as a check, the tension spilled over into the streets. It sucks for the bystanders for sure.... but it sucked for AGES for the mages. Pretending what the mages went through for all of that time was nothing is naive at best.

He could have just killed Grand Cleric Elthina and maybe even all the Mothers in the Kirkwall Chantry. That would have given Meredith the proper authority and no innocents needed to be killed. Then again, the Mothers could be seen as innocent too.

I'm not pretending anything. I've said before that the mages are abused and I've never said that the abuse was right.

Modifié par BoBear, 20 novembre 2012 - 04:39 .

[Adanu]

BoBear wrote...

Adanu wrote...

BoBear wrote...

Adanu wrote...

His intent was to stop Templars and Mages **** footing around the very serious and true issue of THE CURRENT CIRCLE SYSTEM NOT WORKING AND HAVING BROKEN LONG AGO FROM TEMPLAR ABUSES.

Without radical change, there was no way in hell mages would get any semblence of reform of freedom that would work for both parties. Without rebellion, the Templars would simply dictate all terms. Just look at Lambert in Asunder. This man is the LORD SEEKER and essentially the top Templar. Do you really think this man and all others like them would willingly give up the power they held? It was either force, or submission for more ages when reform failed.

People in the modern day don't seem to realize that violence is usually the only way to reform things. It is very, very rare for reform to come without force. Naivette doesn't make you right, it makes you soft.

We could argue exactly what his intent was but whatever that exactly is does not justify killing innocent people. I'll agree that a war is needed to end this conflict but I will not agree that what Anders did to start it was neccessary. Nor was it justified.

If he didn't do what he did, he wouldn't have pushed everyone past trying to compromise and into open conflict. He was lucky with Meredith going insane. He probably saw it coming.

If he didn't do what he did, it would have simply turned into another set of pot shots. Meredith didn't have the authority to anull the circle without the priestess dead. He know exactly what he was doing when he killed her. Without her as a check, the tension spilled over into the streets. It sucks for the bystanders for sure.... but it sucked for AGES for the mages. Pretending what the mages went through for all of that time was nothing is naive at best.

He could have just killed Grand Cleric Elthina and maybe even all the Mothers in the Kirkwall Chantry. That would have given Meredith the proper authority and no innocents needed to be killed. Then again, the Mothers could be seen as innocent too.

I'm not pretending anything. I've said before that the mages are abused and I've never said that the abuse was right.

The chantry is part of the problem, and so are the mothers. He saw them as targets I'll bet. If he didn't, I would.

MisterJB wrote...

Adanu wrote...
If he didn't do
what he did, he wouldn't have pushed everyone past trying to compromise
and into open conflict. He was lucky with Meredith going insane. He
probably saw it coming.

If he didn't do what he did, it would
have simply turned into another set of pot shots. Meredith didn't have
the authority to anull the circle without the priestess dead. He know exactly
what he was doing when he killed her. Without her as a check, the
tension spilled over into the streets. It sucks for the bystanders for
sure.... but it sucked for AGES for the mages. Pretending what the mages
went through for all of that time was nothing is naive at best.

So
is pretending that mundanes haven't also suffered horrendously at the
hands of mages or that there aren't good reasons to fear them.
Compromise
is a positive thing. The creation of the Circle of Magi was a
compromise itself; mages would be allowed to perfect their craft so long
as they did it under vigilance from the templars and isolation from the
larger population. Now, a maniacal terrorist wants to change the terms
of the agreement.

Right... because one moment of battle is akin to LIFETIME IMPRISONMENT IN THE MIDDLE OF PEOPLE WHO WOULD PREFER YOU DOCILE FOR YOUR ENTIRE LIFE.

Seriously, look at that logic.

Modifié par Adanu, 20 novembre 2012 - 07:18 .

[MisterJB]

One moment of battle? How about being murdered, how about being used in experiments fueled by blood magic, tortured, enslaved, have their bodies desecrated? All of these things and more were done by mages to mundanes and are still being done.
Compared to that, a lifetime in a luxurious tower where you are fed, clothed, educated and have rights and freedoms to some extent sounds quite preferable.

Also, being docile is a non issue. All governments in the world prefer their population docile.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Adanu wrote...

His intent was to stop Templars and Mages **** footing around the very serious and true issue of THE CURRENT CIRCLE SYSTEM NOT WORKING AND HAVING BROKEN LONG AGO FROM TEMPLAR ABUSES.

The Cirlce system works and has never stopped working.
Mages just like to overblow the issue and scream "abuse". The whole Rebellion was orchestrated by a minority of extremists.

The sytem works and the rebellious mages are self-absorbed c****.

Modifié par Lotion Soronnar, 20 novembre 2012 - 09:19 .

[Fredward]

Why doesn't everybody just take a deep, soothing breath and remind themselves this is a game, mmh? xp

[Shadow Fox]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Why doesn't everybody just take a deep, soothing breath and remind themselves this is a game, mmh? xp

How long have you been on the BSN?

[Welsh Inferno]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

The Cirlce system works and has never stopped working.
Mages just like to overblow the issue and scream "abuse". The whole Rebellion was orchestrated by a minority of extremists.

The sytem works and the rebellious mages are self-absorbed c****.

Thats a rather one sided view. I mean I believe the Crcles are needed but with every circle experiencing troubles(kirkwall just being the worst) the harsh way they are run obviously doesn't work anymore. There's a middle ground somewhere, although I doubt either side will be able to see it past blind hatred.

[Allan Schumacher]

Waffles vs Pancakes.

The true war has come...

French Toast comes in as the third party and trounces both. Although Waffles was likely winning beforehand.

[Shadow Fox]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Waffles vs Pancakes.

The true war has come...

French Toast comes in as the third party and trounces both. Although Waffles was likely winning beforehand.

Jelly donuts steamrolls all three.

[Todd23]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Waffles vs Pancakes.

The true war has come...

French Toast comes in as the third party and trounces both. Although Waffles was likely winning beforehand.

[Fredward]

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Why doesn't everybody just take a deep, soothing breath and remind themselves this is a game, mmh? xp

How long have you been on the BSN?

Long enough to know better. But what can I say, I'm an eternal optimist. XD

[Shadow Fox]

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Arcane Warrior Mage Hawke wrote...

Foopydoopydoo wrote...

Why doesn't everybody just take a deep, soothing breath and remind themselves this is a game, mmh? xp

How long have you been on the BSN?

Long enough to know better. But what can I say, I'm an eternal optimist. XD

Well I decided tocheck my sanity at the door when it came to this place.

[Adanu]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Adanu wrote...

His intent was to stop Templars and Mages **** footing around the very serious and true issue of THE CURRENT CIRCLE SYSTEM NOT WORKING AND HAVING BROKEN LONG AGO FROM TEMPLAR ABUSES.

The Cirlce system works and has never stopped working.
Mages just like to overblow the issue and scream "abuse". The whole Rebellion was orchestrated by a minority of extremists.

The sytem works and the rebellious mages are self-absorbed c****.

The circle system never worked for mages, it just took this long for them to realize they can fight back.

Templars are self absorbed ****s who think that they have a divine right to control mages. They're learning the hard way it won't be tolerated anymore.

[Airquotes]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Waffles vs Pancakes.

The true war has come...

French Toast comes in as the third party and trounces both. Although Waffles was likely winning beforehand.

If it's stuffed French Toast then hell yes! 

[Annihilator27]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Waffles vs Pancakes.

The true war has come...

French Toast comes in as the third party and trounces both. Although Waffles was likely winning beforehand.

Yes, Thats right fight amongst yourselves. You'll all be too weak to take on the Crepes when they arrive.

[Fiddzz]

Annihilator27 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Waffles vs Pancakes.

The true war has come...

French Toast comes in as the third party and trounces both. Although Waffles was likely winning beforehand.

Yes, Thats right fight amongst yourselves. You'll all be too weak to take on the Crepes when they arrive.

Silly crepes, you can not match the power of breakfast sausage and bacon.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Blair Brown wrote...

Annihilator27 wrote...

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Waffles vs Pancakes.

The true war has come...

French Toast comes in as the third party and trounces both. Although Waffles was likely winning beforehand.

Yes, Thats right fight amongst yourselves. You'll all be too weak to take on the Crepes when they arrive.

Silly crepes, you can not match the power of breakfast sausage and bacon.

Brothers, we should be struggling together! We are all part of this nutritious and balanced breakfast!

[MisterJB]

Adanu wrote...
The circle system never worked for mages, it just took this long for them to realize they can fight back.

Templars are self absorbed ****s who think that they have a divine right to control mages. They're learning the hard way it won't be tolerated anymore.

The very same thing could be said of mages. They are self absorbed terrorists who believe freedom is their natural right regardless of how much it might endager and hurt others. The freedom of a man ends when he endangers his neighbor.
It is unbelievable that so many are willing to excuse mages when they hurt others to protect their people and yet are so very ready to demonize the templars if they do the same.

[Pzykozis]

Sounds like everyone is just waiting to get fatally ambushed by a full english breakfast black pudding and all.

[Warden661]

http://social.biowar...25/polls/41802/

We should settle this democratically....

Modifié par BoBear, 21 novembre 2012 - 12:55 .