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[LPPrince]

Harle Cerulean wrote...

LPPrince wrote...

Pheonix57 wrote...

To all those saying that it can't be significant in DA3, let me remind you of something optional in ME2 that greatly affected ME3:

*spoiler* *spoiler* *spoiler*

In ME2 you have the option of saving the Geth heretics, or destroying them, and if you don't destroy them, then you can't make peace between the Quarians and Geth in ME3. That moment is a huge plot point, which can even affect dialogue in the ending. So let's not say that optional choices don't ever change anything.

Umm, actually...

I saved the Geth Heretics and was still able to make peace. So look for another example?

Yeah the difference between saving and destroying the geth heretics is in how many War Assets the geth and quarian forces are worth.  If you rewrote them, the geth forces are worth more and the quarian forces are worth less; if you destroyed them, the geth forces are worth less and the quarian forces are worth more.  (The logic being that the rewritten geth create more casualties in the quarian fleet, whereas if the geth's numbers aren't bolstered by the heretics, the quarians inflict more damage to them and take less themselves.)

In other words, it really means nothing beyond being a different number.

Thank Christ DA doesn't work like that.

[LPPrince]

But anyway, on the Morrigan plot line, I've been on both sides before, wanting and not wanting to see it continue.

Not wanting to see it continue- afraid they'd screw it up, ruin Morrigan, put a sour note on one of the strongest parts of DAO to me

Wanting to see it continue- interested in seeing how that plot has progressed through time, curious to see if it can be improved

[Kidd]

LPPrince wrote...

So look for another example?

It's a fine example. There's a hidden variable you need to get to the value of 5 or higher to be able to get the best outcome in that conflict. Three things in ME2 factors into this score, and only two in ME3 do. You can get a total of 5 points in ME2 alone, while if you've screwed up in ME2 and get no points at all there, it is absolutely impossible to get the best outcome in ME3 using ME3's points alone.

Want more exact info? Click here =)

This is one of those things I feel ME3 did so incredibly right, I can only hope all BioWare teams copy its design for save imports later. This feels a lot more organic to me than anything else. You don't even see the score. But if you've been an arse to mages on several occasions for instance, then you'll still know yourself you don't deserve their help when you ask for it in DA3 even though you have no idea of exactly why.

Modifié par KiddDaBeauty, 24 mars 2013 - 05:48 .

[LPPrince]

Aye, in that case destroying the heretic geth are not a necessity. My point stands, at least for that.

Though this is supposed to be about Morrigan(who I miss dearly) so y'all continue.

[adam32867]

my guess is it will be referenced in some way, but they will string it along for at least one more game. my guess is that one of the games will focuse more on flemeth, and susequently the child if it happened. i would really like to see something come out of it. it was made to seem important and would be kinda sad if they just brush it under a rug.

[2Pac]

Hope so.....

[rapscallioness]

No, I don't think so.

I would have liked to have met the kid.

[xAmilli0n]

I hope so, but as this isn't the end of the series, it is not necessary for them to do so.

[samgrave]

Time to bring this topic up again. Now that we KNOW that Morrigan will be in DA III, the topic concerning the "God child" is unavoidable. I REALLY REALLY do hope the writers address this isse and don't just skit arount it. It is far to iimportant to ignore if Morrigan is indeed in DA III. Avoiding the issue would be a cop out and massive betrayal towards all loyal DA III fans. My two cents!

[reddead136]

AntiChri5 wrote...

It is too big to be handled as a minor subplot, but too optional to be a big deal on which a game is focused.

Don't expect much on it ever again.

Hmm. Sounds like an expansion to me. 

I hope not though. I'm happy if we get a good amount of Morrigan. The OGB can be a big part of another game and for the ones who have not done the ritual it can be replaced with something else I guess like characters in Mass Effect.

Although, it would be cool to see it as a big part of another game and to be able to look back and know you made the choice in the first game.

[Angrywolves]

No.
At some point I hope there will be some dlc for those of us who were smart enough to do the ritual
smiles
but I doubt it will be anytime soon.

[Bionuts]

Old God Baby being raised by the Maker or something like that.

[dekkerd]

samgrave wrote...

Time to bring this topic up again. Now that we KNOW that Morrigan will be in DA III, the topic concerning the "God child" is unavoidable. I REALLY REALLY do hope the writers address this isse and don't just skit arount it. It is far to iimportant to ignore if Morrigan is indeed in DA III. Avoiding the issue would be a cop out and massive betrayal towards all loyal DA III fans. My two cents!

i don't know about unavoidable. You managed to miss the half dozen threads about it since this one, apparently. 

OGB is not canon, therefore any reference to it will be minor as not to waste too much of development time on it. 

And you don't speak for all fans, so stop trying. 

[Angrywolves]

May not be minor.
Gaider is lead writer.
He might decide to make OGB canon tomorrow if he felt like it.
I doubt it's set in stone one way or the other.

[Magdalena11]

I agree that the OGB is likely to turn up in some point or another, howbeit minor. Since the decision was an optgional one, it's not likely to be a major plot point but I expect to see it turn up.

[AlexanderCousland]

I expect it to be a major plot point. OGB is supposed to be Alistair's baby (even for Male's). Gaider said they were gonna do a scene that could have showed Morrigan "cheating". A baby exists for Male character's who romanced Morrigan but did not do the Dark Ritual as well.

[wolfhowwl]

FreshIstay wrote...

I expect it to be a major plot point. OGB is supposed to be Alistair's baby (even for Male's). Gaider said they were gonna do a scene that could have showed Morrigan "cheating". A baby exists for Male character's who romanced Morrigan but did not do the Dark Ritual as well.

Would there be an OGB even for Ultimate Sacrifice wardens? 

[Ash Wind]

Gaider said the OGB is not canon.
If you didn't do the Dark Ritual, it doesn't happen. Period.
OGB might be an interesting plot point, but people need to chill out, it won't be huge storyline plot point, and there will probably be some avenue to achieve the same end if you didn't do the DR.

[AlexanderCousland]

The point is...There's a baby. You are factually correct the OGB is not cannon, but that does not mean that there isnt a baby who does not have the OG soul, ya know, the one the David Gaider says exists if at any point a Male character romanced Morrigan on top of the fact she SUPPOSEDLY cheated with Alistair.

[Eveangaline]

FreshIstay wrote...

The point is...There's a baby. You are factually correct the OGB is not cannon, but that does not mean that there isnt a baby who does not have the OG soul, ya know, the one the David Gaider says exists if at any point a Male character romanced Morrigan on top of the fact she SUPPOSEDLY cheated with Alistair.

Why would alistair ever sleep with her if not talked into doing it for the OGB? I really need a source on gaider saying she 'cheated'(how is it cheating if you aren't romancing her or alistair?) with alistair.

[Ziggeh]

It's a simple issue to resolve - they make it flavour.

Make them special in some other way, raised in the fade or something. If The Warden was involved you say "special and old god", otherwise it's just "special".

It gets addressed as a fairly major plot point, but doesn't need to be canon (and then people complain about the lack of expected impact).

[samgrave]

FreshIstay wrote...

The point is...There's a baby. You are factually correct the OGB is not cannon, but that does not mean that there isnt a baby who does not have the OG soul, ya know, the one the David Gaider says exists if at any point a Male character romanced Morrigan on top of the fact she SUPPOSEDLY cheated with Alistair.

Bur what if Alistair is *SPOILER* dead *SPOILER*?

Whould she have cheated with Loghairn then?

[Mikoto8472]

I'll never get why people are so obsessed over Morrigan and the Godbaby. I didn't find Morrigan particularly interesting. She sat around in camp for the entire game. I upgraded her gear once so she could do Connor's demon.

I had Alistair leave the Grey Wardens to marry Anora and made Loghain a Grey Warden. I rejected the Dark Ritual without batting an eyelid and fed Alistair to the Archdemon.

My point is that not all players did the Dark Ritual. Not all players found Morrigan captivating. Frankly I found her an annoying, selfish female who was welcome to leave at any time. I'd be perfectly fine if we never heard from her again, let alone her potential offspring.

It would seriously cheese me off to have my choices nulled by making a Godbaby (mine, Alistair's or some random Grey Warden's or not) appear in my game.

[EChatty]

Mikoto8472 wrote...

I'll never get why people are so obsessed over Morrigan and the Godbaby. I didn't find Morrigan particularly interesting. She sat around in camp for the entire game. I upgraded her gear once so she could do Connor's demon.

I had Alistair leave the Grey Wardens to marry Anora and made Loghain a Grey Warden. I rejected the Dark Ritual without batting an eyelid and fed Alistair to the Archdemon.

My point is that not all players did the Dark Ritual. Not all players found Morrigan captivating. Frankly I found her an annoying, selfish female who was welcome to leave at any time. I'd be perfectly fine if we never heard from her again, let alone her potential offspring.

It would seriously cheese me off to have my choices nulled by making a Godbaby (mine, Alistair's or some random Grey Warden's or not) appear in my game.

Oh, I completely agree with this. Morrigan is not all that interesting, especially to a female player. If any of my avs reject the DR then I don't want to see a godbaby in my Inquisition game.

And in regards to the bolded part of the quote....she meant she fed Loghain to the Archdemon, not Alistair