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[Angrywolves]

A lot of guys see to find Morrigan very interesting lol.
Players who don't shouldn't assume no body else does.

[samgrave]

EChatty wrote...

Mikoto8472 wrote...

I'll never get why people are so obsessed over Morrigan and the Godbaby. I didn't find Morrigan particularly interesting. She sat around in camp for the entire game. I upgraded her gear once so she could do Connor's demon.

I had Alistair leave the Grey Wardens to marry Anora and made Loghain a Grey Warden. I rejected the Dark Ritual without batting an eyelid and fed Alistair to the Archdemon.

My point is that not all players did the Dark Ritual. Not all players found Morrigan captivating. Frankly I found her an annoying, selfish female who was welcome to leave at any time. I'd be perfectly fine if we never heard from her again, let alone her potential offspring.

It would seriously cheese me off to have my choices nulled by making a Godbaby (mine, Alistair's or some random Grey Warden's or not) appear in my game.

Oh, I completely agree with this. Morrigan is not all that interesting, especially to a female player. If any of my avs reject the DR then I don't want to see a godbaby in my Inquisition game.

And in regards to the bolded part of the quote....she meant she fed Loghain to the Archdemon, not Alistair 

Why couldn't Morrigan be an interestng charachter to female players?  I find several of the male charachter interesting (and I wan't to point out that I DON'T mean that in a homoerotic sense ). For instance, I think there is much left to explore in Alistair's storyline, and his reluctance to his royal heritage. However, it seems that many people have issues with Morrigan, but what many people neglect to acknowledge is that Morrigan is a, quote unquote, "strong woman" and I know that many people are put off by this. Still, I think that based on all that we have seen of Morrigan so far there are SEVERAL loose ends and as far as I'm concerned her story is FAR from over. I mean, we have the obvious topic for this thread, i.e the "God Child". That must be referenced in some way, and yes I know I draw the ire of those who didn't perform the dark ritual by saying this, but what many people negcled to realise if that a refusal to the dark ritual carries consequences too. Morrgan desperatley wanted to perform the ritual (she's even willing to bed Loghairn for crying out loud, that says it all, doesn't it? ) Obvisoulsy there was vital purpose for this, most presumably (if I'm to speculate) related to Flemeth's curse and her wanting to take over Morrigan's body.


And that brings me over to the second vital unresolved plot line, namely the conflict between Morrigan and Flemeth. Flemeth verily does reference Morrigan in DA II, and thereby drawing the players attention to their schism as to reminding the players of it and letting us know that it is far from forgotten in the storyline. Something must be done about Morrigan and Flemeth. Their conflict must reach a conclusion.

[David Gaider]

samgrave wrote...
Is there any chance we will finally get to see the resolution to this loose end in DA III? If not in the main plot, then at the very least in a passing reference made by other charachters, or in a lore book found somewhere along one's adventures.

Hmm. How can I put this?

The results of the Dark Ritual, if it occurred in DAO, will have more than a passing reference in DAI.

Beyond that, you shall have to wait and see.

[Talagen]

David Gaider wrote...

samgrave wrote...
Is there any chance we will finally get to see the resolution to this loose end in DA III? If not in the main plot, then at the very least in a passing reference made by other charachters, or in a lore book found somewhere along one's adventures.

Hmm. How can I put this?

The results of the Dark Ritual, if it occurred in DAO, will have more than a passing reference in DAI.

Beyond that, you shall have to wait and see.

Pfft!!!  Your just evil...

[Northern Sun]

David Gaider wrote...

samgrave wrote...
Is there any chance we will finally get to see the resolution to this loose end in DA III? If not in the main plot, then at the very least in a passing reference made by other charachters, or in a lore book found somewhere along one's adventures.

Hmm. How can I put this?

The results of the Dark Ritual, if it occurred in DAO, will have more than a passing reference in DAI.

Beyond that, you shall have to wait and see.

Enough to both entice me and annoy me while I wait for 1.25 years, just evil.

[PlasmaCheese]

Omg.
Yes.

[Ziggeh]

Two passing references, eh?

[Ilidan_DA]

Old:

"While I won't discuss how the Dark Ritual decision will affect future games, I can say (and have said) that the choice won't be ignored-- it's pretty fundamental. So Morrigan will have a son only if she either romanced a male Warden or if the Dark Ritual was performed... and in only the latter case will that son be the so-called OGB.

Whether how the Dark Ritual affects future games is considered sufficient is a different matter completely. Considering that some people have expressed that the existence of the OGB should be the entire plot around which such a game revolves, it's perhaps unlikely. That kind of expectation can't be helped. Regardless, the choice will neither be ignored nor made into a footnote".

David Gaider

[Ziggeh]

Wiedzmin182009 wrote...

 So Morrigan will have a son only if she either romanced a male Warden or if the Dark Ritual was performed

I so very much hope that means she'll have a daughter if neither is the case.

[rapscallioness]

David Gaider wrote...

samgrave wrote...
Is there any chance we will finally get to see the resolution to this loose end in DA III? If not in the main plot, then at the very least in a passing reference made by other charachters, or in a lore book found somewhere along one's adventures.

Hmm. How can I put this?

The results of the Dark Ritual, if it occurred in DAO, will have more than a passing reference in DAI.

Beyond that, you shall have to wait and see.

  Weeeeeee!! *twirls*

......oh, but then this also frightens me slightly.

But heck, I don't care. I'll take it.

[rapscallioness]

Even though I was female Warden and made Alistair do it..lol! (It was difficult to watch, tho..omg)

But I still feel....responsible for this kid. I had nothing to do w/the kid biologically, but it's still my kid. As far as I'm concerned. And I just wanna know if he's doing alright.

Then I played DAA, and Ogrhen had that dream abt Darkspawn asking him, "Where's the baby?" That sent a chill down my spine. I hadn't thought abt the darkspawn and the OGB. I mean, if that has anything to do w/anything.

I also feel guilty at bringing this child into the world w/out fully understanding what Morrigan wanted to do w/him. I don't wanna see this child abused. But then, I do kinda trust Morrigan. For all her funny ways---I don't think she's mean spirited. Just a survivor, and that may be exactly what that kid needed. A mom that knew and understood how to protect him.

Ah, we'll see. Sigh, now I'm fretting like a mother hen. Bah!

[Eveangaline]

David Gaider wrote...

samgrave wrote...
Is there any chance we will finally get to see the resolution to this loose end in DA III? If not in the main plot, then at the very least in a passing reference made by other charachters, or in a lore book found somewhere along one's adventures.

Hmm. How can I put this?

The results of the Dark Ritual, if it occurred in DAO, will have more than a passing reference in DAI.

Beyond that, you shall have to wait and see.

Iiiiiiiiiinteresting.

(And good to know that's only if it occured in DAO)

[dragondreamer]

David Gaider wrote...

samgrave wrote...
Is there any chance we will finally get to see the resolution to this loose end in DA III? If not in the main plot, then at the very least in a passing reference made by other charachters, or in a lore book found somewhere along one's adventures.

Hmm. How can I put this?

The results of the Dark Ritual, if it occurred in DAO, will have more than a passing reference in DAI.

Beyond that, you shall have to wait and see.

Eeeee.  

[DragonMage95]

rapscallioness wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

samgrave wrote...
Is there any chance we will finally get to see the resolution to this loose end in DA III? If not in the main plot, then at the very least in a passing reference made by other charachters, or in a lore book found somewhere along one's adventures.

Hmm. How can I put this?

The results of the Dark Ritual, if it occurred in DAO, will have more than a passing reference in DAI.

Beyond that, you shall have to wait and see.

  Weeeeeee!! *twirls*

......oh, but then this also frightens me slightly.

But heck, I don't care. I'll take it.

Now I want DA:I even more. Can't wait to hear about my lil pup.

[Starwingz]

I think that doing DR will be legendary bite in the ass. Agreeing to do DR just seems to make DAO too happy if you think about it. And this thing with Morrigan also having normal kid if romanced but not doing DR makes you think its sort of "failsafe" for happier ending if rage from Morriganmancers occurs because of this.

I get this whole feeling that Morrigan is just puppet to Flemeth used to raise OGB and when Morrigan prepares OGB for whatever she is planing, Flemeth will just jump in and make him remember his past life or whatever to get him
on her side. After that Morrigan will be only loose end and with the way she was raised she will probably be alone and vulnerable with no ally or friend nearby since she didnt made any.

Modifié par ChaosHound, 20 juillet 2013 - 02:35 .

[Marakov7]

rapscallioness wrote...

Then I played DAA, and Ogrhen had that dream abt Darkspawn asking him, "Where's the baby?" That sent a chill down my spine. I hadn't thought abt the darkspawn and the OGB. I mean, if that has anything to do w/anything.

Ah, we'll see. Sigh, now I'm fretting like a mother hen. Bah!

Interesting, that never clicked in my mind (my warden was a Human Noble who did the dark ritual with Morrigan). It might not mean anything, but then again...

[dragondreamer]

ChaosHound wrote...

I have feeling that doing DR will be legendary bite in the ass. Agreeing
to do DR just seems to make DAO too happy if you think about it.

Actually, my Warden was almost lawful good to a fault, and doing the the DR made it into a bittersweet victory for him.  It was the first time he *really* had to break his personal moral code for no reason other than personal, selfish reasons, and it haunts him continually.  Partially because he still doesn't know what Morrigan plans to do with the child and what consequences it will bring, and because OGB or not, that's his child.  There's no guarantees of happy endings, but my Warden, and myself as a player feel the need for some closure.

[ladyiolanthe]

ChaosHound wrote...
Agreeing to do DR just seems to make DAO too happy if you think about it.

Yeah,  I have to agree with dragondreamer - the Dark Ritual doesn't really make for a happy ending. If you play a female Warden who continues in a romance with Alistair, sure, you get to live a few more years (maybe 9? Hopefully more) but in-game, it's heavily implied that you'll never have your own children due to your darkspawn taint. Somewhere out there, though, your friend Morrigan is raising Alistair's son, the only child he is likely ever to have, and whom he'll probably never know. Alistair is so enchanted by the idea of family life that this has got to put a strain on the relationship. Let's face it: he'd make for a ridiculously amazing Daddy, but is denied that chance, and you were instrumental in that denial.

If you marry a King Alistair, you'll probably never be able to produce heirs (unless novel and comic book revelations have an effect on this), which I think could end up placing even more stress on the Alistair/Warden romance. Especially if your Warden is a "good" one, who loves her country and must worry about another civil war when Alistair dies without an heir. When she becomes a little older and wiser, does she try to do the right thing and convince him to set her aside on the off-chance that he can sire a child with someone who isn't a Grey Warden? How long does she wait before making this offer - will Alistair's taint be too advanced for it to work? Wouldn't it have been better not to suggest you could rule beside him, to just have said good-bye and sacrificed yourself to kill the Archedemon, and let him get on with his life? Even a hardened King Alistair very openly adores his Warden wife, so... breaking things off with him out of a sense of duty to the people of Ferelden might not go over so well.

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 20 juillet 2013 - 03:44 .

[Northern Sun]

ChaosHound wrote...

I think that doing DR will be legendary bite in the ass. Agreeing to do DR just seems to make DAO too happy if you think about it. And this thing with Morrigan also having normal kid if romanced but not doing DR makes you think its sort of "failsafe" for happier ending if rage from Morriganmancers occurs because of this.

I get this whole feeling that Morrigan is just puppet to Flemeth used to raise OGB and when Morrigan prepares OGB for whatever she is planing, Flemeth will just jump in and make him remember his past life or whatever to get him
on her side. After that Morrigan will be only loose end and with the way she was raised she will probably be alone and vulnerable with no ally or friend nearby since she didnt made any.

It would probably be a bite in the ass, but I think the bigger question is who would it would bite. If he ends up doing the most harm to a faction I don't like, I would consider it a positive thing(though obviously people who like that faction would not like it).

[Eveangaline]

ladyiolanthe wrote...

ChaosHound wrote...
Agreeing to do DR just seems to make DAO too happy if you think about it.

Yeah,  I have to agree with dragondreamer - the Dark Ritual doesn't really make for a happy ending if you play a female Warden who continues in a romance with Alistair. Sure, you get to live a few more years (maybe 9? Hopefully more) but in-game, it's heavily implied that you'll never have your own children due to your darkspawn taint. Somewhere out there, though, your friend Morrigan is raising Alistair's son, whom he'll likely never know. Alistair is so enchanted by the idea of family life that this has got to put a strain on the relationship.

Then, if you marry a King Alistair, you'll probably never be able to produce heirs (unless novel and comic book revelations have an effect on this), which I think could end up placing even more stress on the Alistair/Warden romance. Especially if your Warden is a "good" one, who loves her country and must worry about another civil war when Alistair dies without an heir. When she becomes a little older and wiser, does she try to do the right thing and convince him to set her aside on the off-chance that he can sire a child with someone who isn't a Grey Warden? How long does she wait before making this offer - will Alistair's taint be too advanced for it to work? Wouldn't it have been better not to suggest you could rule beside him, or to just have said good-bye and sacrificed yourself to kill the Archedemon? Even a hardened King Alistair very openly adores his romanced Warden, so... breaking things off with him out of a sense of duty to the people of Ferelden might not go over so well.

Of course if you're a less good hearted warden you could also romance Zevran at the same time and just let Alistair think any child born is his heir. 

Modifié par Eveangaline, 20 juillet 2013 - 03:55 .

[LPPrince]

David Gaider wrote...

samgrave wrote...
Is there any chance we will finally get to see the resolution to this loose end in DA III? If not in the main plot, then at the very least in a passing reference made by other charachters, or in a lore book found somewhere along one's adventures.

Hmm. How can I put this?

The results of the Dark Ritual, if it occurred in DAO, will have more than a passing reference in DAI.

Beyond that, you shall have to wait and see.

Let me put on my party hat

[duckley]

I loved Morrigan but not overly curious about the OGB

[El Dude 9]

I'm hoping in a future game the OGB will be an origin and they just forget the whole gender thing. Like it was such a small reference to the OGB's gender I missed the first time.

[rapscallioness]

I'm very sleepy, but just had to add this.

When I first did DR, I did it to save Alistair's life. It didn't cross my mind at that moment that all I had to do was not bring him along on the final run. *facepalm*.

But I always do the DR now cuz hell yeah.

Then at the end Alistair says something abt the Wardens are asking questions. Lmao! I bet they are, right? I always tell Alistair to just tell them the truth. He's like, "What? That I have a demon baby from a blood magic ritual w/a maleficar? That has since taken the baby and fled to the Wilds?" (or something like that). "Noooo," he says. "I don't think so...."

Lol! I just shrug to myself. My first reaction is that yeah we should tell the Wardens. This is something extraordinary. And what is that spell that was used?

But then...idk. What would the Wardens' reaction be? Toward the kid, I mean? Would they hunt the kid? If so, what would they do if they found him? I'm not so sure anymore that I trust the Wardens w/that info.

alright. goodnight all.