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[LPPrince]

I think some of us have been playing Bioware games long enough to know that when a Biodev says something, take it with a grain of salt.

99% of the time, they aren't making any promises, so the grain of salt(preferably of the sea variety, though rock works too) is expected.

When they DO go out of their way to promise something, its still not guaranteed to happen. Which is unfortunate, but we can't account for what causes a change on the developer/producer side of things.

So lets hope that when Mr. Gaider says what he says, it ends up making as many of us happy as we can. Keyword- "hope". No guarantees.

Though I'm totally ready to send Mr. Gaider some sea and or rock salt to his desired address if it at all increases the probability of me enjoying whatever will come out of the Dark Ritual of DAO in DA:I.

[Magdalena11]

ladyiolanthe wrote...

rapscallioness wrote...

But then...idk. What would the Wardens' reaction be? Toward the kid, I mean? Would they hunt the kid? If so, what would they do if they found him? I'm not so sure anymore that I trust the Wardens w/that info.

Agreed, rapscallioness! Everyone has their own agenda, including the various orders (Templars, Grey Wardens, etc.)  There were enough problems with the Grey Wardens in game to make my Warden seriously question them by the end of Awakening. For example, all the things we are not told before the Joining - the excuse of "no one would want to become a Grey Warden if they knew what it meant beforehand" becomes pretty flimsy when you learn about the Legion of the Dead while in the Deep Roads.

The Joining ritual itself is about as blood-magicky as anything in the game, so if you're of the opinion that blood magic is bad, well... you're out of luck. You just took part in a blood magic ritual.

Early on, Alistair mentions that there aren't many women in the Grey Wardens (if you play a female character). Later on, in a rather horrific sequence, you find out that Broodmothers are forcibly mutated human, elven, dwarven and qunari women, and also that Grey Wardens wander off into the Deep Roads when their time is up. I really have to wonder how many female Grey Wardens become Broodmothers when they go on their Calling. Female wardens have already begun the process when they survive their Joining. Is that maybe why the Grey Wardens don't take many women in?

Then in Awakening, a thinking Warden has to start questioning things even more, with all the sentient darkspawn plus the world mythology of the invasion of the Golden City, etc. I won't even bring in the stuff from the prequel novel, The Calling. 

Anyway... I don't feel that the Grey Wardens are as wonderfully awesome an organization as newly-met Alistair makes them out to be at the beginning of the game. I also don't think they are totally bad. It's all in the name, really: they're neither black nor white, but some sort of shade of grey, and that means some of the things they do are morally questionable. My 'canon' Warden certainly questions the organization.

I am not convinced that Morrigan's Old God Child is going to be a power for evil, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Wardens would hunt him down if they knew about him. After all, having an Old God wandering about the planet means that someday, there might be an Eighth Blight, and the Grey Wardens cannot allow that.

If you've read The Calling, you saw what happened to Genevieve when her corruption was advanced.  She just became a different kind of hurlock.  I think Hespith in Origins explained pretty well that brood mothers happen through some sort of feeding ritual.

The Grey Wardens have one rule - fight the darkspawn.  Whatever means are necessary to achieve that end are completely justified as far as they are concerned.  I don't think it's a question of moral ambiguity so much as expediency.  As far as predicting what the Wardens' reaction would be to the OGB, if he exists, I don't think they would have any different opinion than the players.  For some, the dark ritual was a means to an end and for others it was a deal-breaker they were willing to either die for or sacrifice their companion for.  I don't really think it's possible to say the Wardens would hunt the OGB down unless the player wanted them to.

[Bizantura]

ilikesocks wrote...

I'd rather not deal with Morrigan's 'demon baby' as Alistair called it. No matter how old he is in DA:I. If he was raised by Morrigan, that's scary enough. :/

I can't wait for the "Demon baby" and lit fire to the religious crowd.  Bring it on.....

[ilikesocks]

I was just simply saying any child raised by morrigan is a scary thought. Religion basically has nothing to do with it, to me. Alistair calling him a "demon baby" was funny, though.

[SeismicGravy]

ilikesocks wrote...

I was just simply saying any child raised by morrigan is a scary thought.

Heck, for all we know the OGB could have a masters degree in Paleontology, dress in Georgio Armani suits and wear a fedora. 

[ilikesocks]

Lol, well, that would be interesting.

[Angrywolves]

Morrigan won't be raising the child.
That's obvious. It would cramp her style as a seductress in the Orlesian court.
Someone else is raising it for her.
Well said by Prince. Amazes me players take developers statements of future allegedly intended acts/ future actions as written in stone facts when they should clearly know better.

[Spedfrom]

Prediction: whether people did the Dark Ritual or not, Morrigan will have found a way to attain whatever she wanted to. For some people that will be through the existence of the OGB, for others, by some other means. The eluvian will have played a part in both cases. In the end, it'll work outsimilarly for everyone.

To David Gaider: I'm perfectly fine if I'm wrong, no headcanon here. Just thinking of very general possibilities on how things might be handled and expecting to enjoy whatever it is we're getting in the final game.

[ilikesocks]

No, it isn't obvious. That is your opinion, and mine is mine. Maybe you are right and she didn't raise him, but I seem to recall her saying the child will be raised however she wanted, which is a scary thought nonetheless. You're saying it's obvious she didnt raise him as if it's fact, which, to my knowledge, it isn't. Please do correct me if I'm wrong.

[Angrywolves]

Doesn't make sense for her to raise OGB.
And yes it's only my opinion.
We don't know what Gaider intends and as the game is nowhere near completion he could change his mind.
shrugs.
Morrigan lacks the patience and empathy to raise a child.
If I'm wrong will be glad to admit it once we learn the facts.

[legbamel]

Who would she trust to raise that baby? I can't imagine her putting that power in anyone else's hands, long-term. Unless, you know, she's Flemeth in disguise.

[Magdalena11]

She's Flemeth's daughter, brought up in the values that Flemeth felt meaningful. She's not the best human being on the planet but who thought she would be? I would assume that eventually the OGB would be able to mingle with human society as easily as Morrigan did, which is to say with a bit or awkwardness and oblivion to some social details.

[Angrywolves]

The child won't know it's OGB or it's power.
Probably just been told it's only a mage and trained to be careful and cautious by other mages Morrigan has seduced and is manipulating.
Of course they don't know the truth either.

[Bionuts]

How many people is Morrigan seducing?! Get a water hose people the woman is on fire!

[XGrlGamerX]

Bionuts wrote...

How many people is Morrigan seducing?! Get a water hose people the woman is on fire!

^ That made me LOL

Wasnt it somewhat confirmed that Morrigan's demon baby is "canon"? Even if you don't bed her and she runs away it says in the epilogue that she looked as if she was "with child."

The fact that Morrigan was in the trailer for DA:I says a lot I believe. I would like to think that she will maybe be a playable player or in the least a heavy part of the next story. As someone who has fallen in love with having your characters develop and grow through each game (darn you ME!!!), I'm hoping for a Morrigan return. 

Even as a female, the Morrigan/Male Warden story is probably my favorite love story in Bioware's universe, and I'm hoping for some more sappy moments between those two, and their demon child. 

As someone who read Dragon Age: The World of Thedas from cover to cover, there is a lot that needs to be resolved when it comes to Andraste, Elven Gods, and the Old Gods. As a boy who posesses an old god I would like to think that that deems as something that needs to be resolved or at least addressed in Da:I. 

[Sith Grey Warden]

XGrlGamerX wrote...

Wasnt it somewhat confirmed that Morrigan's demon baby is "canon"? Even if you don't bed her and she runs away it says in the epilogue that she looked as if she was "with child."

Only if you romanced her. In that case, it's just a regular kid, not an Old God Baby.

rapscallioness wrote...

Then at the end Alistair says something abt the Wardens are asking questions. Lmao! I bet they are, right? I always tell Alistair to just tell them the truth. He's like, "What? That I have a demon baby from a blood magic ritual w/a maleficar? That has since taken the baby and fled to the Wilds?" (or something like that). "Noooo," he says. "I don't think so...."

Lol! I just shrug to myself. My first reaction is that yeah we should tell the Wardens. This is something extraordinary. And what is that spell that was used?

I'm just wondering why Alistair and the Warden couldn't tell the Wardens that Riordan killed the Archdemon. He did die at the Battle of Denerim, and they could always arrange a funeral pyre (the default means of honoring the dead in Ferelden) before any other Wardens get a chance to inspect the corpse to confirm the story.

[XGrlGamerX]

Only if you romanced her. In that case, it's just a regular kid, not an Old God Baby.

 

Hmm interesting. I wonder if they will "make" it canon, as they did for Revan being male and him and Bastila having a child. 

I personally think an ODB bring a little more dynamic to the story. haha

Modifié par XGrlGamerX, 23 juillet 2013 - 06:11 .

[addiction21]

XGrlGamerX wrote...

Only if you romanced her. In that case, it's just a regular kid, not an Old God Baby.

 

Hmm interesting. I wonder if they will "make" it canon, as they did for Revan being male and him and Bastila having a child. 

I personally think an ODB bring a little more dynamic to the story. haha

BioWare did not make that cannon

[XGrlGamerX]

addiction21 wrote...

XGrlGamerX wrote...

Only if you romanced her. In that case, it's just a regular kid, not an Old God Baby.

 

Hmm interesting. I wonder if they will "make" it canon, as they did for Revan being male and him and Bastila having a child. 

I personally think an ODB bring a little more dynamic to the story. haha

BioWare did not make that cannon

Who did? They would have had to at least agreed on the story since it was their content? 

I personally don't care when things become "canon". I'm all about the story, and the OGB being canon is something that I personally think would be better inputted into the game, especially when tying the majority of gamer's loose ends from DAO. 

[DarkSpiral]

XGrlGamerX wrote...

Who did? They would have had to at least agreed on the story since it was their content? 

I personally don't care when things become "canon". I'm all about the story, and the OGB being canon is something that I personally think would be better inputted into the game, especially when tying the majority of gamer's loose ends from DAO. 

Bioware doesn't own the IP, so they can't decide if anything is canon or not.

Lucasarts made the choice, because they always reserved that level of control ovr their IP, as any sane buisness would.  I'll et Bioware would do the same if a situation occurs where some other company was making a game (in any media) within the ME universe.

And now back to Dragon Age.  Where the existence of Morrigan's child is not canon, and hopefully never becomes canon.

Except in my Amell playthrough, of course.  Its absolutely (my) canon in that playthrough.

[XGrlGamerX]

I guess they could use the OGB being a playable character or as an important character in DA:I. The child could still play an important role as either the actual child of the Warden/Alistar/Loghain or just being Morrigan's child (which could still be as powerful), but maybe not as much of a factor into the story.

[Todd23]

David Gaider wrote...

samgrave wrote...
Is there any chance we will finally get to see the resolution to this loose end in DA III? If not in the main plot, then at the very least in a passing reference made by other charachters, or in a lore book found somewhere along one's adventures.

Hmm. How can I put this?

The results of the Dark Ritual, if it occurred in DAO, will have more than a passing reference in DAI.

Beyond that, you shall have to wait and see.

If it makes an appearance as some kind of boss and we HAVE to kill it, I'm going to be sooo bummed... fyi.

[Wickwrackscar]

Of course it will be resolved. It was all a misunderstanding:

"Did I say old god? Sorry, I meant old goat."

Case closed.

[Gamer_Dad_Onyx]

Either way, it promises to be at least enlightening if not fun.