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[jackofalltrades456]

Does anyone else get the feeling that they're just using the Morrigan/OGB story arc as a desperate attempt to get the players drawn back into the storyline after Dragon Age 2 much weaker plotline?

I mean didn't they originally state that they didn't plan on revisiting the OBG and it wouldn't have a large impact in the next title.

Now we're seeing Morrigan at the end of the DA:I trailer and David Gaider stating it's going to be a big choice in the game.

[Fast Jimmy]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

Does anyone else get the feeling that they're just using the Morrigan/OGB story arc as a desperate attempt to get the players drawn back into the storyline after Dragon Age 2 much weaker plotline?

I mean didn't they originally state that they didn't plan on revisiting the OBG and it wouldn't have a large impact in the next title.

Now we're seeing Morrigan at the end of the DA:I trailer and David Gaider stating it's going to be a big choice in the game.

I don't think they ever stated that they weren't going to go back to the OGB. I know Witch Hunt was supposed to be seen as a bit of "closure" for those who romanced Morrigan and/or did the OGB and wanted to know more about their child (although, in typical Gaider fashion, nothing was at all revealed and only more was teased). So maybe that's where that impression came from?

Regardless, they had no idea what they wanted to do with the OGB plot line when they put it in in DA:O, even less when they released Witch Hunt and probably not any clearer when DA2 came out. I guess after five years, they realized people aren't going to forget about it and are now trying to patch something together that will, on one hand, make sense but on the other not be a penalty on players who made the Ultimate Sacrifice and now are also missing some extra plot/story content.

In my opinion, it's a result of them digging a hole they didn't know they were even digging and now thinking that digging more will somehow get them out of it. When they should just put down the shovel and climb out of the hole that is the Save Import system.

[ladyiolanthe]

Magdalena11 wrote...

If you've read The Calling, you saw what happened to Genevieve when her corruption was advanced.  She just became a different kind of hurlock.  I think Hespith in Origins explained pretty well that brood mothers happen through some sort of feeding ritual.

I know - but think about how many Grey Wardens go alone to the Deep Roads at the ends of their lives. Who's to say that female Grey Wardens aren't put through the broodmother-mutation ritual rather than killed by the darkspawn? The hurlocks and shrieks (not to mention the ogres, although I'm not clear if there are that many qunari Grey Wardens ) have to come from somewhere, and darkspawn don't seem to be much of a threat (in terms of raids on the surface) between Blights (at the beginning of DA:O,  most of the world thinks the Grey Wardens are an antiquated, useless order since there hasn't been a serious darkspawn threat for 400 years, and it's a surprise for the Grey Wardens in Awakening when the darkspawn don't all just disappear). Genlocks are the most numerous darkspawn because dwarven women are relatively easy to stumble across in the Deep Roads.

Magdalena11 wrote...

The Grey Wardens have one rule - fight the darkspawn.  Whatever means are necessary to achieve that end are completely justified as far as they are concerned.  I don't think it's a question of moral ambiguity so much as expediency.  As far as predicting what the Wardens' reaction would be to the OGB, if he exists, I don't think they would have any different opinion than the players.  For some, the dark ritual was a means to an end and for others it was a deal-breaker they were willing to either die for or sacrifice their companion for.  I don't really think it's possible to say the Wardens would hunt the OGB down unless the player wanted them to.

Everything is speculation, of course, but I enjoy speculating on what will come in future installments of Dragon Age. Since I did the DR in my 'canon' playthrough, I'm looking forward to what that'll mean in DA:I.

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 28 juillet 2013 - 05:19 .

[Ieldra]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...
Does anyone else get the feeling that they're just using the Morrigan/OGB story arc as a desperate attempt to get the players drawn back into the storyline after Dragon Age 2 much weaker plotline?

I mean didn't they originally state that they didn't plan on revisiting the OBG and it wouldn't have a large impact in the next title.

Now we're seeing Morrigan at the end of the DA:I trailer and David Gaider stating it's going to be a big choice in the game.

Why desperate? It's a very good attempt, isn't it? For me personally, they couldn't have done anything better to draw me in.

Yes, I did get the impression that they viewed this dangling plot end as a mistake from a design viewpoint. When I and a group of DA fans spoke with Chris Priestly last year at GamesCom, he asked what we thought of continuity between games in DA. I said that I recognized that they intend to tell separate stories loosely connected by a "world continuity" in the DA games rather than sequels, but there was one thing I needed to know from past games: what became of Morrigan and her plans. The reaction was a resigned "yeah, we know". However, I think even if the dangling end created some limitations for DAI they couldn't just ignore, they need some connection between games if they want to establish a continuity for the player, and character connections usually work better than mere events in world history. Thus, we're all fired up about seeing Varric, Cassandra and Morrigan in the trailer rather than about the fact that DAI continues from DA2's ending where a mage rebellion was started.

As for the appeal to new players, I'm not really an expert on those, but having an enigmatic sorceress in the trailer is bound to attract attention, and I think the trailer did an excellent job of showing Morrigan as enigmatic.   

And btw, DG didn't exactly say the ritual decision would have big consequences. He said they would be more than a sidenote, which leaves things open between "minor but with a noticeable impact" and "critical to the direction of the plot."  I very much doubt it's the latter, though I would love really big consequences, as long they're not unambiguously bad.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 27 juillet 2013 - 07:15 .

[Roujinx94]

jackofalltrades456 wrote...

Does anyone else get the feeling that they're just using the Morrigan/OGB story arc as a desperate attempt to get the players drawn back into the storyline after Dragon Age 2 much weaker plotline?

Oh? You mean like how they used Flemeth in DA2 to draw in people who enjoyed the first game and then gave her less then 5 minutes of screentime?

Foolishness, Bioware would never do that.

I'm sure everything will be resolved in DA:I and they won't try to use it as a selling point for other games.

[Todd23]

I'm hearing a lot of "why are they going back to the ogb"? Am I the only one who actually remembers them saying something about Morrigan's story not being done and that they definitely will be going back to her and the ogbs story arc in later games?

[XalexmanX]

If Alistair does the DR with morrigan, wouldn't that make the OGB heir to the throne?

[THEFRIGGINDOOMGUY!]

XalexmanX wrote...

If Alistair does the DR with morrigan, wouldn't that make the OGB heir to the throne?

Oh my goodness!

[D1ck1e]

Todd23 wrote...

I'm hearing a lot of "why are they going back to the ogb"? Am I the only one who actually remembers them saying something about Morrigan's story not being done and that they definitely will be going back to her and the ogbs story arc in later games?

I remember this as well.

[ladyiolanthe]

XalexmanX wrote...

If Alistair does the DR with morrigan, wouldn't that make the OGB heir to the throne?

In my playthrough with a soon-to-be King Alistair who I persuaded to do the DR, he specifically asks Morrigan about that just before the Warden leaves the room. Morrigan assures him that it is not her intent to put the child on the throne. Of course, she might be lying, or things could change in the ensuing years.

But, seeing as the child has an Old God's soul, I think he would likely have a greater destiny to fulfill than being king of a country you can pretty much cross on foot in two days. (The forced march from Redcliffe to Denerim at game end will take 2 days, according to Eamon, etc.). Something along the lines of bringing "all the magic" back into the world, perhaps.

Modifié par ladyiolanthe, 29 juillet 2013 - 06:17 .

[SZAKAL1992]

I agree with ladyiolanthe, completly. Child of Morrigan might be most important being in the world, he might be destined to become something more than ruler of little country He might be main playable character in later parts... if not in Inqisition. That's right my folks. I thnik reincarnated Uthemiel might be this main Inqisitor himself. Inqisitor will have diffrent origins which might mean he could be not completly a human, naturally after ending crisiss the world would be united under Inqisitior rule, war that began in Hawke's times as main character could takes years which adding years that come to pass could make third main character old enough to lead Inqisition to unite and rule the world, and finally Morrigan in teaser speak to player like he have most important role to play in saving the world.

Before seeing teaser I thought the third game will be about and only about saving the world from destructive conflict between mages and templars since makers said that Dragon Age is not trilogy making Inqisition not final game, but after seeing Morrigan in teaser and hearing that Inqisition is not part of the chantry (remembering about Morigan saying that world will change) which might meaning that doesn't have to share with Leilana and Cassandra good intention of saving chantry, I think it could be possible that the inqisition might be just end of storyline thar began in previous games.

But maybe other's are right, anyway we shouldn't have boring game. This will be a fun.

Good day/night and good playing.

Modifié par SZAKAL1992, 29 juillet 2013 - 08:54 .

[Angrywolves]

Lots of us don't read the books or comics.
So if you cite anything about those you need to give context.

I doubt we see a lot about OGB in this game.
Still believe dlc for players who did the ritual would be the best choice.

[XGrlGamerX]

I'm hoping the OGB has a big influence in the game, it's TOO big of a story plot to leave out, especially if Morrigan is returning. There are many ways they could write around the OGB if you did not perform the ritual. Perhaps there was a plan "B" if Morrigan failed? Who knows - just because you didn't perform the ritual doesn't necessarily mean that it wasn't or couldn't happen outside of your story.

Since this isn't the last Dragon Age game, Bioware can return to whatever folklore or other new characters they had set aside, but I think it would be a mistake (no offense Bioware) if they didn't concentrate in this game on Morrigan and the OGB.

[ladyiolanthe]

While I think the OGB could indeed have a pretty major role, we have to remember that a fair number of people did not do the DR, so not everyone has him. This has been discussed a lot in this thread and others. I really don't think he's ever going to be a playable character, because he doesn't exist in everybody's playthroughs. At best I think he might be a major NPC, and one who is easily replaced by some other being, for those who didn't do the DR. But I could be wrong. We'll have to wait and see.

[XGrlGamerX]

ladyiolanthe wrote...

While I think the OGB could indeed have a pretty major role, we have to remember that a fair number of people did not do the DR, so not everyone has him. This has been discussed a lot in this thread and others. I really don't think he's ever going to be a playable character, because he doesn't exist in everybody's playthroughs. At best I think he might be a major NPC, and one who is easily replaced by some other being, for those who didn't do the DR. But I could be wrong. We'll have to wait and see.

True, but it wouldn't be the first time that you weren't able to have a character in your party due to past saves/actions. Look at ME3. I would love to have the OGB be a playable character if you performed the ritual. If you didn't he can either not exist or there could be a playable character for those who chose the U.S. that isn't available to those who chose the Dark Ritual. 

I want everyone to have their own story pan out, but not at the expense of those who chose the DR to not have the potential of an amazing storyline. That's all I want. ;_; haha

[samgrave]

Is it possible OGB is intended to be a "zero-day DLC"?

[Maconbar]

Powerful necromancer, samgrave is.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Necromancy is illegal in Cyrodill.

You're coming with me, criminal scum.

[Angrywolves]

Nah.
He's only 10 years old.
Expect to see him in DA4.

[Maconbar]

Angrywolves wrote...

Nah.
He's only 10 years old.
Expect to see him in DA4.

Unless time runs differently on the other side of the Eluvian.

[Angrywolves]

He's not in the Eluvian He's in Orlais.

[Taura-Tierno]

Angrywolves wrote...

Nah.
He's only 10 years old.
Expect to see him in DA4.

A 10-year-old with the soul of an Old God ...

[Running Fox]

Taura-Tierno wrote...

Angrywolves wrote...

Nah.
He's only 10 years old.
Expect to see him in DA4.

A 10-year-old with the soul of an Old God ...

Maybe he will be the villain DA4 haha

[Angrywolves]

It's unlikely the child knows he's a God of any kind.
Probably on the surface acts like any other 10 year old.