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[Flamingdropbear]

As more of a real life atheist it tends to blead overing into ingame characters, from my talk with Ash in ME1, to various character in DA:O, but since it seems  I'll be playing the churches muscle in DA3 think that may limit my in game belief options.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

No.

[JCAP]

Flamingdropbear wrote...

As more of a real life atheist it tends to blead overing into ingame characters, from my talk with Ash in ME1, to various character in DA:O, but since it seems  I'll be playing the churches muscle in DA3 think that may limit my in game belief options.

Don't confuse the Mage-Templar war with a religious one. Although Andraste is a little involved with the war, the main reason of the war is the mages don't want to be "prisoners" anymore and the templars fear them .

But answering your question: in DA:O you could say if you believe in the maker or not, in DA2 Hawke don't say anything about it, maybe they will handle this in DA3 the same way in DA2.

[Iron Star]

There was a thread not unlike this earlier in the DA3 section, and Gamble (I think it was Gamble at least) said that he thought adding an atheistic option whenever the maker or religion is brought up in the game was something that they wouldn't do, but that they might add at one point or another a line of dialogue where you can say that you don't believe in the maker or any other deity. It was some tima ago though so I could be remembering this wrong but I'm kinda sure this is what he said.

[gangly369]

Really? This thread AGAIN? Did we not just finish dealing with this subject and all of the raging people who just HAD to have atheism in a game? To answer your question, no, there will be no specific option to proclaim you are an atheist in the game. That is something that you will just have to imagine your character is

[berelinde]

David Gaider has confirmed that we will not be required to play characters who work for the Chantry nor will our characters be forced to express belief in the Maker. Our characters may still reference religion casually in conversation, but this will be restricted to times when an English-speaking person might say things like "What the hell are you waiting for?" I'm not sure if Andraste and the Maker will be evicted from our combat barks, but it's unlikely that our non-believer characters will be forced to tell their lovers that deceased relatives are "with the Maker."

[PsychoBlonde]

Get fired up wrote...

There was a thread not unlike this earlier in the DA3 section, and Gamble (I think it was Gamble at least) said that he thought adding an atheistic option whenever the maker or religion is brought up in the game was something that they wouldn't do, but that they might add at one point or another a line of dialogue where you can say that you don't believe in the maker or any other deity. It was some tima ago though so I could be remembering this wrong but I'm kinda sure this is what he said.

Gaider.  David Gaider.

You will not be able to express general philosophical atheism any more than you'll be able to express general philosophical Buddhism, but you will be able to express specific disagreement with the tenents of the Chantry.  WHY your character disagrees is left up to the imagination of the player.

[The Teyrn of Whatever]

DarkKnightHolmes wrote...

No.

Any good reason other than "No."? I hate responses like this. Care to elaborate?

We were able, based on a conversation in the first Mass Effect, to decide whether Shepard believed in God or not. After that the issue was never touched upon again.

Personally I don't need my character to be a Richard Dawkins, speaking out against the very existence of a deity at every opportunity.

At any rate, there is no actual proof in the game that the Maker even exists. Why not allow us to decide whether our character believes in a higher power or not?

[PsychoBlonde]

The Teryn of Whatever wrote...

At any rate, there is no actual proof in the game that the Maker even exists. Why not allow us to decide whether our character believes in a higher power or not?

You can.  What you cannot do is give a speech about why the concept of religion is lawfully flawed or declare, positively, "I am an atheist".  "I don't believe in your Maker" is not the same as "I am an atheist".  You could still believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster or Vishnu or Odin.

[BouncyFrag]

What if the maker was to turn up in the game? This would certainly lead to an intriguing conversation and an atheist questioning his or her so-called deity would add some spice to the matter.

edit: this actually happened in Star Trek V. Dr. McCoy FTW! *spoilers for STV but don't worry, its one of the weaker movies, but thats for another topic on another day*

Modifié par BouncyFrag, 18 novembre 2012 - 06:25 .

[PsychoBlonde]

BouncyFrag wrote...

What if the maker was to turn up in the game? This would certainly lead to an intriguing conversation and an atheist questioning his or her so-called deity would add some spice to the matter.

"The" Maker or some person/demon/dragon/whatever *claiming* to be "The Maker"?

And, once again, atheist != "I don't believe in the Maker".  Atheism means you don't believe in ANY gods or even the POSSIBILITY of gods.  If some "Maker" shows up, they could freely let you argue about it--heck, you could argue even if you had already expressed agreement with the Chantry's religion.  If you were a Christian and some bearded dude in a white robe showed up on your doorstep, you'd still be pretty darn skeptical of his claims to be Jesus.

Enabling people to fully express complete philosophical atheism would require an ENORMOUS amount of writing for a very tiny (if any) gain.  Letting people express skepticism regarding specific claims throughout the course of the game doesn't require a lot of extra work and doesn't contravene the ideas of people who don't want their character to be a "believer".

Gaider in particular has explained all this at length in several other threads.

[BouncyFrag]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

What if the maker was to turn up in the game? This would certainly lead to an intriguing conversation and an atheist questioning his or her so-called deity would add some spice to the matter.

"The" Maker or some person/demon/dragon/whatever *claiming* to be "The Maker"?

And, once again, atheist != "I don't believe in the Maker".  Atheism means you don't believe in ANY gods or even the POSSIBILITY of gods.  If some "Maker" shows up, they could freely let you argue about it--heck, you could argue even if you had already expressed agreement with the Chantry's religion.  If you were a Christian and some bearded dude in a white robe showed up on your doorstep, you'd still be pretty darn skeptical of his claims to be Jesus.

Enabling people to fully express complete philosophical atheism would require an ENORMOUS amount of writing for a very tiny (if any) gain.  Letting people express skepticism regarding specific claims throughout the course of the game doesn't require a lot of extra work and doesn't contravene the ideas of people who don't want their character to be a "believer".

Gaider in particular has explained all this at length in several other threads.

I understand that. I'm just sayin' it would be a fun conversation. I added an edit where this very thing happens.

[Urzon]

I'll take "Threads that won't die" for 200, Alec.

[PsychoBlonde]

Granted, one option could be to have an explicitly atheist companion--a Qunari, perhaps (although it hasn't been stated that their philosophy is 100% explicitly atheist, just that they find the idea of an afterlife that includes judgment and punishments/rewards to be absurd), and then let you express agreement with that companion without stating why you agree.

It's when people start asking that they be allowed to deliver a treatise on metaphysics that the devs start rolling their eyes.

[PsychoBlonde]

Urzon wrote...

I'll take "Threads that won't die" for 200, Alec.

Bzzzzz.

What is "use the search function"?

[BouncyFrag]

Urzon wrote...

I'll take "Threads that won't die" for 200, Alec.

We need to get some hybrid versions of these such as "If I'm an atheist can I romance the maker even if I think they don't exist?" The road until we get DA3 is going to be a long one and variety will be a life saver.

Modifié par BouncyFrag, 18 novembre 2012 - 06:41 .

[PsychoBlonde]

BouncyFrag wrote...

Urzon wrote...

I'll take "Threads that won't die" for 200, Alec.

We need to get some hybrid versions of these such as "If I'm an atheist can I romance the maker even if I think they don't exist?" The road until we get DA3 is going to be a long one and variety will be a life saver.

Check out the Unconfirmed Rumors thread.  Why do you think I'm keeping that going?

[Zobo]

Here are all the answers we currently have on that matter.

[Liamv2]

I hate the chantry i wanted to give anders a highfive when he blew it up

[BouncyFrag]

PsychoBlonde wrote...

BouncyFrag wrote...

Urzon wrote...

I'll take "Threads that won't die" for 200, Alec.

We need to get some hybrid versions of these such as "If I'm an atheist can I romance the maker even if I think they don't exist?" The road until we get DA3 is going to be a long one and variety will be a life saver.

Check out the Unconfirmed Rumors thread.  Why do you think I'm keeping that going?

Oooooh! *rubs hands together*

[upsettingshorts]

Oh this thread again.

[xsdob]

I think in the dragonage universe, where darkspawn, archedemons, actual demons, spirits, ghost, the spirit world, and all this other spiritual occurrences are not one shot events with no proof but actual physically observable occurrences that everyone knows about and can prove exist, that being atheist and proclaiming that nothing supernatural or spiritual exist in the world is a very illogical choice.


Atheist: I don't belive in the maker or in demons.
Normal person: But theres a demon attacking your villiage right now.
*Rage demon burns down house*
Atheist: Nope, doesn't exist. That's just more of your peoples mumbo jumbo religious bs.

[Silcron]

xsdob wrote...

I think in the dragonage universe, where darkspawn, archedemons, actual demons, spirits, ghost, the spirit world, and all this other spiritual occurrences are not one shot events with no proof but actual physically observable occurrences that everyone knows about and can prove exist, that being atheist and proclaiming that nothing supernatural or spiritual exist in the world is a very illogical choice.


Atheist: I don't belive in the maker or in demons.
Normal person: But theres a demon attacking your villiage right now.
*Rage demon burns down house*
Atheist: Nope, doesn't exist. That's just more of your peoples mumbo jumbo religious bs.

Atheist means you don't believe in a supreme being, or several. In DA you would know demons are real, but there's no real proof the Maker exists. You just wouldn't believe the maker or whoever religion's god exists.

[xsdob]

Silcron wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I think in the dragonage universe, where darkspawn, archedemons, actual demons, spirits, ghost, the spirit world, and all this other spiritual occurrences are not one shot events with no proof but actual physically observable occurrences that everyone knows about and can prove exist, that being atheist and proclaiming that nothing supernatural or spiritual exist in the world is a very illogical choice.


Atheist: I don't belive in the maker or in demons.
Normal person: But theres a demon attacking your villiage right now.
*Rage demon burns down house*
Atheist: Nope, doesn't exist. That's just more of your peoples mumbo jumbo religious bs.

Atheist means you don't believe in a supreme being, or several. In DA you would know demons are real, but there's no real proof the Maker exists. You just wouldn't believe the maker or whoever religion's god exists.

Why not just say can we choose to not believe in the maker? That would be a much easier, less charged, less massive conotations to it implication that the term atheist.

I'm agnostic myself, not enough things to convince me but there are some stuff that's a little too strange to just chalk up to cooincidence, so I'm on the fence about god and what type of god or gods there are.

That said, atheism from what I've seen has pretty much been against anything that can't be proven either scientifically or empirically, and that incluces the afterlife, magic, demons, spirits, the supernatural, and all of that.

It just seems much easier to say "let us be able to not believe in the maker" than to use the word associated with disbelieving all these things and working to prove they don't exist.

It's just a gripe, but I feel a different word would work better in this instance than the term atheist, but that's just me. Espically since you kinda prove the existence of jesus in this game back in dragon age 1.