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[Maxster_]

magnetite wrote...

Here's another article I found interesting that relates to the whole ending controversy. Sadly, I agree with them.

That article is pathetic. You don't like product, but you complaining and acting about it is bad. Because reasons.
Pathetic article to defend pathetic, lazy, and lying developers. Company which can not satisfy it's customers, and actually repeatedly insults them - is doomed to fail.
As it should be.
And SWTOR's fate is perfect example.

Another video talks about the lack of closure, and a bunch of other things, including explaining the ending near the 20 minute mark. Although the way the guy says it, it makes what I was saying look extremely mild. He goes off the deep end, I'll just say it.

Another example of defending undefendable.
Of course, lazy liars of EAWare(nonsensical fairytale with one of the worst endings in stotytelling) can not be compared to folks at CD Projekt RED(actual branching storyline with meaningful choices and satisfying and universe-fitting ending). That is obvious, thank you.

[Maxster_]

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

But of course if you really want me to say what will disprove IT, a definitive epilogue will disprove IT as a theory.
Mass effect 4 will also be capable of disproving IT.

But you already knew that.

Ok, fine.
1st already happen with EC.
2nd means that ME3 have no ending, and sold deliberately without ending.

So, IT is disproven.

To be fair, there's no proof the EC epilogue is real.

If ME4 is released with a post-synthesis ending, IT will be disproven.

Please.
A real epilogue, to a real game must prove to someone that it is real? EAWare said there will be no post-ending dlc. Their epilogue is final, there will be no other epilogue.
So if you are saying it is false, then show me real epilogue, in-game. And there is none, and you know that.
So, EAWare deliberately released game without ending?

allegedly real*

There is none. It ends on a cliffhanger.

And i don't even believe in IT. I just wish it was true.

Why it is not real? Because it is lore-breaking nonsense?
That's not the reason to consider it not real, that's the reason to call it what it is - bad writing.

Only way existing ending could be considered unreal - if there would be an different, real ending. And there is none.

[KingZayd]

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

But of course if you really want me to say what will disprove IT, a definitive epilogue will disprove IT as a theory.
Mass effect 4 will also be capable of disproving IT.

But you already knew that.

Ok, fine.
1st already happen with EC.
2nd means that ME3 have no ending, and sold deliberately without ending.

So, IT is disproven.

To be fair, there's no proof the EC epilogue is real.

If ME4 is released with a post-synthesis ending, IT will be disproven.

Please.
A real epilogue, to a real game must prove to someone that it is real? EAWare said there will be no post-ending dlc. Their epilogue is final, there will be no other epilogue.
So if you are saying it is false, then show me real epilogue, in-game. And there is none, and you know that.
So, EAWare deliberately released game without ending?

allegedly real*

There is none. It ends on a cliffhanger.

And i don't even believe in IT. I just wish it was true.

Why it is not real? Because it is lore-breaking nonsense?
That's not the reason to consider it not real, that's the reason to call it what it is - bad writing.

Only way existing ending could be considered unreal - if there would be an different, real ending. And there is none.

False,  There are films with endings that didn't really happen, or where it is hinted the ending didn't really happen. They do not include a "real ending", nor do they have to.

[Clayless]

ld1449 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

So lets be clear on what an opinion is, lets break this down slowly:

At the end it's revealed that nothing in the series happened.

Does this make everything you did in the 3 games pointless, yes or no?

-snip-

That was beautiful, but can you answer the question I asked, rather than giving an analogy that doesn't fit?

[KingZayd]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

So lets be clear on what an opinion is, lets break this down slowly:

At the end it's revealed that nothing in the series happened.

Does this make everything you did in the 3 games pointless, yes or no?

-snip-

That was beautiful, but can you answer the question I asked, rather than giving an analogy that doesn't fit?

"Opinion: Hypothetical ending invalidates three games.

Opinion: It does not due to XYZ reason that I've already mentioned in previous posts to other users. "

He already said no. Can't you read?

[Maxster_]

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

1. So, you don't like epilogue, therefore it is a false epilogue. But there is no "real" epilogue, and no "real" ending, and never will be. So, ME3 have no ending?
2. So, you are saying, that ME3 is not an ending to a Shepard's story. And that's contradicts EAWare statements.

IT is delusion, which pretends that ME3 is genius writing, completely ignoring plenty of evidence of the contrary. Like lazarus, terminator, Crucible, Cerberus Empire, and other.
ME3 have an ending, of course. But this ending unrelated to a fanfiction which IT is.

Or you are saying, that Shepard(and reapers) story just stopped.

1) No, there is nothing definitive about the EC.
     Nothing that disproves IT as a theory.

2) EAware also said it wouldn't be a A,B, and C ending and that there wouldn't be a Reaper off switch
     What's your point?

Plenty of evidence points to IT and IT is a logical interpretation.
There is no ending to the Reaper threat with IT.

Cerberus, Lazarus, Terminator and the Crucible don't disprove IT.

1. Really? So, we have Hackett speech and slides for destroy ending. We have EDI speech(creepy) and slides for synthesis. We have Shepard-AI speech and slides for control.
You are saying they are not real. Then show me real ending.
Oh you can't. Therefore, IT states, that ME3 was deliberately released without ending.

2. Ok, fine, EAWare statements are nothing to you. And ME3 released without ending.

IT is based on false assumption that EAWare writing of ME3 was brilliant; and completely ignoring evidence of EAWare horrible writing like Crucible, Cerberus Empire, earth missions, citadel coup, terminator and lazarus.
And all "proof" of IT deliberately shoehorned to fit this false assumption, discarding everything that doesn't fit it.

You said that there is two ways to disprove the IT :
1. ME3 having an Epilogue.
And ME3 have an epilogue, but you do not like it, therefore you said that IT can not be disproven by having epilogue you don't like. So, you basically saying, that only way to disprove the IT is to not disprove the IT, - because you discarding evidence you do not like, and you do not like IT being disproven.

So, IT can not be disproven. Therefore, it fails Popper criterion, and thus not a theory.

2. By releasing ME4 which disproves the IT(given that you discard evidence you don't like, implications.. unpleasant). But this contradicts EAWare statements, about ME3 being the end of Shepard's story. Also, you said, that reapers story is not ended. So, ME4 will continue Shepard's story? And what was the point of Mass Effect 3 then? And if reapers story is not ended, but Shepard's story is - what was the point of Mass Effect 3, and what was the point of IT?

[Maxster_]

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

But of course if you really want me to say what will disprove IT, a definitive epilogue will disprove IT as a theory.
Mass effect 4 will also be capable of disproving IT.

But you already knew that.

Ok, fine.
1st already happen with EC.
2nd means that ME3 have no ending, and sold deliberately without ending.

So, IT is disproven.

To be fair, there's no proof the EC epilogue is real.

If ME4 is released with a post-synthesis ending, IT will be disproven.

Please.
A real epilogue, to a real game must prove to someone that it is real? EAWare said there will be no post-ending dlc. Their epilogue is final, there will be no other epilogue.
So if you are saying it is false, then show me real epilogue, in-game. And there is none, and you know that.
So, EAWare deliberately released game without ending?

allegedly real*

There is none. It ends on a cliffhanger.

And i don't even believe in IT. I just wish it was true.

Why it is not real? Because it is lore-breaking nonsense?
That's not the reason to consider it not real, that's the reason to call it what it is - bad writing.

Only way existing ending could be considered unreal - if there would be an different, real ending. And there is none.

False,  There are films with endings that didn't really happen, or where it is hinted the ending didn't really happen. They do not include a "real ending", nor do they have to.

So EAWare deliberately released game without ending. Game which they advertised as final chapter of the trilogy.
Lol
And that is why IT making no sense not only in-universe, but also in real world.

P.S. Bad Writing Theory is only theory with evidence - compared to various IT theories, which makes completely no sense from real world pov, and no sense in-universe.

[KingZayd]

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

1. So, you don't like epilogue, therefore it is a false epilogue. But there is no "real" epilogue, and no "real" ending, and never will be. So, ME3 have no ending?
2. So, you are saying, that ME3 is not an ending to a Shepard's story. And that's contradicts EAWare statements.

IT is delusion, which pretends that ME3 is genius writing, completely ignoring plenty of evidence of the contrary. Like lazarus, terminator, Crucible, Cerberus Empire, and other.
ME3 have an ending, of course. But this ending unrelated to a fanfiction which IT is.

Or you are saying, that Shepard(and reapers) story just stopped.

1) No, there is nothing definitive about the EC.
     Nothing that disproves IT as a theory.

2) EAware also said it wouldn't be a A,B, and C ending and that there wouldn't be a Reaper off switch
     What's your point?

Plenty of evidence points to IT and IT is a logical interpretation.
There is no ending to the Reaper threat with IT.

Cerberus, Lazarus, Terminator and the Crucible don't disprove IT.

1. Really? So, we have Hackett speech and slides for destroy ending. We have EDI speech(creepy) and slides for synthesis. We have Shepard-AI speech and slides for control.
You are saying they are not real. Then show me real ending.
Oh you can't. Therefore, IT states, that ME3 was deliberately released without ending.

2. Ok, fine, EAWare statements are nothing to you. And ME3 released without ending.

IT is based on false assumption that EAWare writing of ME3 was brilliant; and completely ignoring evidence of EAWare horrible writing like Crucible, Cerberus Empire, earth missions, citadel coup, terminator and lazarus.
And all "proof" of IT deliberately shoehorned to fit this false assumption, discarding everything that doesn't fit it.

You said that there is two ways to disprove the IT :
1. ME3 having an Epilogue.
And ME3 have an epilogue, but you do not like it, therefore you said that IT can not be disproven by having epilogue you don't like. So, you basically saying, that only way to disprove the IT is to not disprove the IT, - because you discarding evidence you do not like, and you do not like IT being disproven.

So, IT can not be disproven. Therefore, it fails Popper criterion, and thus not a theory.

2. By releasing ME4 which disproves the IT(given that you discard evidence you don't like, implications.. unpleasant). But this contradicts EAWare statements, about ME3 being the end of Shepard's story. Also, you said, that reapers story is not ended. So, ME4 will continue Shepard's story? And what was the point of Mass Effect 3 then? And if reapers story is not ended, but Shepard's story is - what was the point of Mass Effect 3, and what was the point of IT?

1. Ending issue already addressed above.

2. "So, IT can not be disproven." "By releasing ME4 which disproves the IT" Contradicting yourself much?

ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, and not of the Reapers.

The point of ME3? Advancing the story.

[KingZayd]

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

But of course if you really want me to say what will disprove IT, a definitive epilogue will disprove IT as a theory.
Mass effect 4 will also be capable of disproving IT.

But you already knew that.

Ok, fine.
1st already happen with EC.
2nd means that ME3 have no ending, and sold deliberately without ending.

So, IT is disproven.

To be fair, there's no proof the EC epilogue is real.

If ME4 is released with a post-synthesis ending, IT will be disproven.

Please.
A real epilogue, to a real game must prove to someone that it is real? EAWare said there will be no post-ending dlc. Their epilogue is final, there will be no other epilogue.
So if you are saying it is false, then show me real epilogue, in-game. And there is none, and you know that.
So, EAWare deliberately released game without ending?

allegedly real*

There is none. It ends on a cliffhanger.

And i don't even believe in IT. I just wish it was true.

Why it is not real? Because it is lore-breaking nonsense?
That's not the reason to consider it not real, that's the reason to call it what it is - bad writing.

Only way existing ending could be considered unreal - if there would be an different, real ending. And there is none.

False,  There are films with endings that didn't really happen, or where it is hinted the ending didn't really happen. They do not include a "real ending", nor do they have to.

So EAWare deliberately released game without ending. Game which they advertised as final chapter of the trilogy.
Lol
And that is why IT making no sense not only in-universe, but also in real world.

P.S. Bad Writing Theory is only theory with evidence - compared to various IT theories, which makes completely no sense from real world pov, and no sense in-universe.

Well clearly it's not the final chapter. They are releasing ME4 aren't they?

And you have given no reason for the IT making no sense in universe.

[Maxster_]

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

1. So, you don't like epilogue, therefore it is a false epilogue. But there is no "real" epilogue, and no "real" ending, and never will be. So, ME3 have no ending?
2. So, you are saying, that ME3 is not an ending to a Shepard's story. And that's contradicts EAWare statements.

IT is delusion, which pretends that ME3 is genius writing, completely ignoring plenty of evidence of the contrary. Like lazarus, terminator, Crucible, Cerberus Empire, and other.
ME3 have an ending, of course. But this ending unrelated to a fanfiction which IT is.

Or you are saying, that Shepard(and reapers) story just stopped.

1) No, there is nothing definitive about the EC.
     Nothing that disproves IT as a theory.

2) EAware also said it wouldn't be a A,B, and C ending and that there wouldn't be a Reaper off switch
     What's your point?

Plenty of evidence points to IT and IT is a logical interpretation.
There is no ending to the Reaper threat with IT.

Cerberus, Lazarus, Terminator and the Crucible don't disprove IT.

1. Really? So, we have Hackett speech and slides for destroy ending. We have EDI speech(creepy) and slides for synthesis. We have Shepard-AI speech and slides for control.
You are saying they are not real. Then show me real ending.
Oh you can't. Therefore, IT states, that ME3 was deliberately released without ending.

2. Ok, fine, EAWare statements are nothing to you. And ME3 released without ending.

IT is based on false assumption that EAWare writing of ME3 was brilliant; and completely ignoring evidence of EAWare horrible writing like Crucible, Cerberus Empire, earth missions, citadel coup, terminator and lazarus.
And all "proof" of IT deliberately shoehorned to fit this false assumption, discarding everything that doesn't fit it.

You said that there is two ways to disprove the IT :
1. ME3 having an Epilogue.
And ME3 have an epilogue, but you do not like it, therefore you said that IT can not be disproven by having epilogue you don't like. So, you basically saying, that only way to disprove the IT is to not disprove the IT, - because you discarding evidence you do not like, and you do not like IT being disproven.

So, IT can not be disproven. Therefore, it fails Popper criterion, and thus not a theory.

2. By releasing ME4 which disproves the IT(given that you discard evidence you don't like, implications.. unpleasant). But this contradicts EAWare statements, about ME3 being the end of Shepard's story. Also, you said, that reapers story is not ended. So, ME4 will continue Shepard's story? And what was the point of Mass Effect 3 then? And if reapers story is not ended, but Shepard's story is - what was the point of Mass Effect 3, and what was the point of IT?

1. Ending issue already addressed above.

2. "So, IT can not be disproven." "By releasing ME4 which disproves the IT" Contradicting yourself much?

ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, and not of the Reapers.

The point of ME3? Advancing the story.

1. Err... What?
2. 0/10.

You said that there is two ways to disprove the IT :
1. ME3 having an Epilogue.
...
So, IT can not be disproven. ...

2.By releasing ME4 which disproves the IT

If ME3 is the end of Shepard story, and reapers are not defeated - what was the point of IT?

Modifié par Maxster_, 19 novembre 2012 - 10:23 .

[KingZayd]

magnetite wrote...

You guys want to know how most businesses work? If you aren't satisfied with a product, you go to the store and you get yourself a refund.

So are Bioware and EA willing to refund us then?

[KingZayd]

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

1. So, you don't like epilogue, therefore it is a false epilogue. But there is no "real" epilogue, and no "real" ending, and never will be. So, ME3 have no ending?
2. So, you are saying, that ME3 is not an ending to a Shepard's story. And that's contradicts EAWare statements.

IT is delusion, which pretends that ME3 is genius writing, completely ignoring plenty of evidence of the contrary. Like lazarus, terminator, Crucible, Cerberus Empire, and other.
ME3 have an ending, of course. But this ending unrelated to a fanfiction which IT is.

Or you are saying, that Shepard(and reapers) story just stopped.

1) No, there is nothing definitive about the EC.
     Nothing that disproves IT as a theory.

2) EAware also said it wouldn't be a A,B, and C ending and that there wouldn't be a Reaper off switch
     What's your point?

Plenty of evidence points to IT and IT is a logical interpretation.
There is no ending to the Reaper threat with IT.

Cerberus, Lazarus, Terminator and the Crucible don't disprove IT.

1. Really? So, we have Hackett speech and slides for destroy ending. We have EDI speech(creepy) and slides for synthesis. We have Shepard-AI speech and slides for control.
You are saying they are not real. Then show me real ending.
Oh you can't. Therefore, IT states, that ME3 was deliberately released without ending.

2. Ok, fine, EAWare statements are nothing to you. And ME3 released without ending.

IT is based on false assumption that EAWare writing of ME3 was brilliant; and completely ignoring evidence of EAWare horrible writing like Crucible, Cerberus Empire, earth missions, citadel coup, terminator and lazarus.
And all "proof" of IT deliberately shoehorned to fit this false assumption, discarding everything that doesn't fit it.

You said that there is two ways to disprove the IT :
1. ME3 having an Epilogue.
And ME3 have an epilogue, but you do not like it, therefore you said that IT can not be disproven by having epilogue you don't like. So, you basically saying, that only way to disprove the IT is to not disprove the IT, - because you discarding evidence you do not like, and you do not like IT being disproven.

So, IT can not be disproven. Therefore, it fails Popper criterion, and thus not a theory.

2. By releasing ME4 which disproves the IT(given that you discard evidence you don't like, implications.. unpleasant). But this contradicts EAWare statements, about ME3 being the end of Shepard's story. Also, you said, that reapers story is not ended. So, ME4 will continue Shepard's story? And what was the point of Mass Effect 3 then? And if reapers story is not ended, but Shepard's story is - what was the point of Mass Effect 3, and what was the point of IT?

1. Ending issue already addressed above.

2. "So, IT can not be disproven." "By releasing ME4 which disproves the IT" Contradicting yourself much?

ME3 would be the end of Shepard's story, and not of the Reapers.

The point of ME3? Advancing the story.

1. Err... What?
2. 0/10.

You said that there is two ways to disprove the IT :
1. ME3 having an Epilogue.
...
So, IT can not be disproven. ...

2.By releasing ME4 which disproves the IT

If ME3 is the end of Shepard story, and reapers are not defeated - what was the point of IT?

 
1. "False,  There are films with endings that didn't really happen, or where it is hinted the ending didn't really happen. They do not include a "real ending", nor do they have to."
2. I didn't say anything about ME3 having an epilogue disproving IT. I said IT can be disproved in two ways:
a) Bioware saying it's just fanfiction
ME4 in a post-synthesis universe, or something like that.
IT can be disproven, therefore it is a theory.

Modifié par KingZayd, 19 novembre 2012 - 10:29 .

[Maxster_]

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

So EAWare deliberately released game without ending. Game which they advertised as final chapter of the trilogy.
Lol
And that is why IT making no sense not only in-universe, but also in real world.

P.S. Bad Writing Theory is only theory with evidence - compared to various IT theories, which makes completely no sense from real world pov, and no sense in-universe.

Well clearly it's not the final chapter. They are releasing ME4 aren't they?

And you have given no reason for the IT making no sense in universe.

1. Trilogy was about Shepard and reapers. And it is ended. Or they should be charged with false advertising?
2. One simple reason - why reapers bother with "glorious battle of minds" when they already won?
I'm not even saying, for now, that entire ME3 story is utter nonsense.

Also, out-of-universe reasons is enough already. ITers basically saying, that EAWare deliberately released incomplete game, destroyed their former fanbase, greatly damaged their reputation - and all for "art".
You can't be serious.

Also interested, how day 1 dlc, which was cut from the game, fits that "artistic integrity".

[KingZayd]

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

So EAWare deliberately released game without ending. Game which they advertised as final chapter of the trilogy.
Lol
And that is why IT making no sense not only in-universe, but also in real world.

P.S. Bad Writing Theory is only theory with evidence - compared to various IT theories, which makes completely no sense from real world pov, and no sense in-universe.

Well clearly it's not the final chapter. They are releasing ME4 aren't they?

And you have given no reason for the IT making no sense in universe.

1. Trilogy was about Shepard and reapers. And it is ended. Or they should be charged with false advertising?
2. One simple reason - why reapers bother with "glorious battle of minds" when they already won?
I'm not even saying, for now, that entire ME3 story is utter nonsense.

Also, out-of-universe reasons is enough already. ITers basically saying, that EAWare deliberately released incomplete game, destroyed their former fanbase, greatly damaged their reputation - and all for "art".
You can't be serious.

Also interested, how day 1 dlc, which was cut from the game, fits that "artistic integrity".

1. It's over now then. Now it's Not Shepard and the Reapers.
2. They haven't already won.

You're the one that mentioned in-universe reasons. They released the complete game. It just ends on a cliffhanger. Games do that sometimes. This could be quite conceivably intentional. 

As for destroying their former fanbase and ruining their reputation: "Oops".  Obviously they didn't intend that part.

Also, I'm not sure why you decided to include the day 1 dlc thing. I'm not defending Bioware's practices.

Modifié par KingZayd, 19 novembre 2012 - 10:37 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

The ending after the EC is nowhere near bad. Don't see what all the fuss is about.

[Maxster_]

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

1. Err... What?
2. 0/10.

You said that there is two ways to disprove the IT :
1. ME3 having an Epilogue.
...
So, IT can not be disproven. ...

2.By releasing ME4 which disproves the IT

If ME3 is the end of Shepard story, and reapers are not defeated - what was the point of IT?

 
1. "False,  There are films with endings that didn't really happen, or where it is hinted the ending didn't really happen. They do not include a "real ending", nor do they have to."
2. I didn't say anything about ME3 having an epilogue disproving IT. I said IT can be disproved in two ways:
a) Bioware saying it's just fanfiction
ME4 in a post-synthesis universe, or something like that.
IT can be disproven, therefore it is a theory.

1. So, you are saying that ME3 have no ending, and was false advertised?
2. Yes, sorry, wrong opponent. Damn, that was a miss on my part
a) This will never happen, EAWare will not alienate last remnants of their former fanbase.
Ok, fine.
So, IT can be disproved only by making ME4 in post-synthesis universe.
Well, i agree then, IT is a theory(not plausible but still).

And now i'm interested - what will prove the IT then?

Also, some simple question - if ME3 was an end to Shepard's story, but reapers threat is still there - what was the point of IT(great battle of minds, which lead to completely nothing, and was never actually needed?)?

[KingZayd]

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

1. Err... What?
2. 0/10.

You said that there is two ways to disprove the IT :
1. ME3 having an Epilogue.
...
So, IT can not be disproven. ...

2.By releasing ME4 which disproves the IT

If ME3 is the end of Shepard story, and reapers are not defeated - what was the point of IT?

 
1. "False,  There are films with endings that didn't really happen, or where it is hinted the ending didn't really happen. They do not include a "real ending", nor do they have to."
2. I didn't say anything about ME3 having an epilogue disproving IT. I said IT can be disproved in two ways:
a) Bioware saying it's just fanfiction
ME4 in a post-synthesis universe, or something like that.
IT can be disproven, therefore it is a theory.

1. So, you are saying that ME3 have no ending, and was false advertised?
2. Yes, sorry, wrong opponent. Damn, that was a miss on my part
a) This will never happen, EAWare will not alienate last remnants of their former fanbase.
Ok, fine.
So, IT can be disproved only by making ME4 in post-synthesis universe.
Well, i agree then, IT is a theory(not plausible but still).

And now i'm interested - what will prove the IT then?

Also, some simple question - if ME3 was an end to Shepard's story, but reapers threat is still there - what was the point of IT(great battle of minds, which lead to completely nothing, and was never actually needed?)?

1. No. I'm not. ME3 has an ending. The ending of Shepard's story. He got indoctrinated. Oops.

2)
a) So it can be disproven, they just don't want to.
but its okay since you've now agreed IT is is a theory

What would prove IT? Us seeing indoctrinated Shepard in ME4, or indeed seeing that the stuff Shepard saw happen, didn't happen.

The point of IT? Not a great battle of minds. Shepard's indoctrinated. Oops. Perhaps the decision made will affect the degree of indoctrination, maybe it won't. Maybe whichever choice he made, we'll still have to put a bullet in his brain.

[KingZayd]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The ending after the EC is nowhere near bad. Don't see what all the fuss is about.

The EC actually made it worse.

[Yesmar]

I'm actually finished with Maxster_.
I don't disregard stuff I don't like, EC did not provide anything to render IT as not being a valid theory.
To best honest I think IT is not going to be the what really happened, instead I will headcanon Indoctrination as a possible reason for a terrible story.

I hate being bored by the same points again and again, they were answered on the last page.
If you choose to accept them or not is your problem, ignorance is bliss.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

KingZayd wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The ending after the EC is nowhere near bad. Don't see what all the fuss is about.

The EC actually made it worse.

No.

[KingZayd]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The ending after the EC is nowhere near bad. Don't see what all the fuss is about.

The EC actually made it worse.

No.

Yes.

[ld1449]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

So lets be clear on what an opinion is, lets break this down slowly:

At the end it's revealed that nothing in the series happened.

Does this make everything you did in the 3 games pointless, yes or no?

-snip-

That was beautiful, but can you answer the question I asked, rather than giving an analogy that doesn't fit?

Ask someone to doodle you a map because you clearly can't read.

As I said "If you STILL don't get it. Then we're done here."

[Maxster_]

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

So EAWare deliberately released game without ending. Game which they advertised as final chapter of the trilogy.
Lol
And that is why IT making no sense not only in-universe, but also in real world.

P.S. Bad Writing Theory is only theory with evidence - compared to various IT theories, which makes completely no sense from real world pov, and no sense in-universe.

Well clearly it's not the final chapter. They are releasing ME4 aren't they?

And you have given no reason for the IT making no sense in universe.

1. Trilogy was about Shepard and reapers. And it is ended. Or they should be charged with false advertising?
2. One simple reason - why reapers bother with "glorious battle of minds" when they already won?
I'm not even saying, for now, that entire ME3 story is utter nonsense.

Also, out-of-universe reasons is enough already. ITers basically saying, that EAWare deliberately released incomplete game, destroyed their former fanbase, greatly damaged their reputation - and all for "art".
You can't be serious.

Also interested, how day 1 dlc, which was cut from the game, fits that "artistic integrity".

1. It's over now then. Now it's Not Shepard and the Reapers.
2. They haven't already won.

You're the one that mentioned in-universe reasons. They released the complete game. It just ends on a cliffhanger. Games do that sometimes. This could be quite conceivably intentional. 

As for destroying their former fanbase and ruining their reputation: "Oops".  Obviously they didn't intend that part.

Also, I'm not sure why you decided to include the day 1 dlc thing. I'm not defending Bioware's practices.

1. Words-play? Fine. I don't care if they will be charged or not, i'm done with them.

2. But they are. They already took Citadel, they can not be stopped by fleets. They just allowed Crucible to dock, and Shepard to get to the Citadel(you know, they could just turn the beam off(which they doing in cutscenes btw), or Harbringer could just one-shot entire offensive with his main gun). Because they wanted to lose to Shepard in "great battle of minds" for some idiotic reason.

So, they could turn the relays off, they could turn off the beam, they could just annihilate entire retarded offensive - but they decided to lose in "great battle of minds".
That making a lot of sense...
Not. It is nonsense.

So, IT is makes no sense in-universe. And also makes no sense out-of-universe, especially given EAWare despicable business practices.

You're the one that mentioned in-universe reasons. They released the
complete game. It just ends on a cliffhanger. Games do that sometimes.
This could be quite conceivably intentional. 

And this is false. ME3 have 3 endings(4 with EC).
If you don't like endings, it doesn't mean that they are not real. That could mean a lot of things, like you simple not liking story direction, endings are too bleak, or plain bad writing(endings makes no sense and breaking lore).

So, you saying ME3 have no ending, because everything in the ending is a dream. But somehow, at the same time, you consider "breathing scene" a cliffhanger, and not a dream.
Riiiiight. How plausible.

Basically, to make your headcanon work, you just declaring parts of game you don't like being a dream.

As for destroying their former fanbase and ruining their reputation: "Oops".  Obviously they didn't intend that part.

Simple explanation 1 - they changed their target audience, and decided that their new target audience requires no effort, they will swallow everything. They miscalculated(got some new players, but lost core fanbase).
Simple explanation 2 - they lost connection to their core fanbase, and decided that their core fanbase will swallow everything. They miscalculated(lost said core fanbase).
Pick either, or both.

Difference between ITers and, for example retakers(or writeoffers), that ITers blame fanbase for EAWare failures, and others blame EAWare for EAWare failures.

Also, I'm not sure why you decided to include the day 1 dlc thing. I'm not defending Bioware's practices.

It is directly tied to IT being nonsense from real life point of view. Some greedy company, which goal is only money, to the point they cut content from complete game to sell separately - suddenly releasing "artsy" ending for the sake of "art" - it makes completely no sense.

[ld1449]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

The ending after the EC is nowhere near bad. Don't see what all the fuss is about.

You would perhaps have better luck if you proceeded to remove your cranium from your cloaca. Just a suggestion.