Our_Last_Scene wrote...
Can you answer my question, and not direct me to a post directed at another poster?
Modifié par EnvyTB075, 20 novembre 2012 - 12:30 .
ld1449 wrote...
.......And This just went from ridiculous to asinine.
KingZayd wrote...
And that is why OurLastScene is the only person on BSN that I've ever called an idiot (as far as I can recall)ld1449 wrote...
.......And This just went from ridiculous to asinine.
KingZayd wrote...
And that is why OurLastScene is the only person on BSN that I've ever called an idiot (as far as I can recall)ld1449 wrote...
.......And This just went from ridiculous to asinine.
Modifié par ld1449, 20 novembre 2012 - 12:33 .
Maxster_ wrote...
Headcanon is fanfiction.Yesmar wrote...
I'm actually finished with Maxster_.
I don't disregard stuff I don't like, EC did not provide anything to render IT as not being a valid theory.
To best honest I think IT is not going to be the what really happened, instead I will headcanon Indoctrination as a possible reason for a terrible story.
I hate being bored by the same points again and again, they were answered on the last page.
If you choose to accept them or not is your problem, ignorance is bliss.
ITers, for unknown(well known actually) reasons, decided that "breath scene" is real, and Catalyst scene and epilogues are not.
MegaSovereign wrote...
Jeez why are you guys so angry?
ld1449 wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
Jeez why are you guys so angry?
I'd say exasperated fits more than angry really. Mild annoyance perhaps???
ld1449 wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
Jeez why are you guys so angry?
I'd say exasperated fits more than angry really. Mild annoyance perhaps???
MegaSovereign wrote...
ld1449 wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
Jeez why are you guys so angry?
I'd say exasperated fits more than angry really. Mild annoyance perhaps???
Do you really think people are going to be open-minded to whatever you have to say if you're passive aggressive?
Even if you think ME3 is the biggest disaster in gaming, there is not a good enough reason to dismiss other people's view points just based on the fact that they're different than yours.
Ofcourse, this works the other way around with people who think ME3 is an amazing game.
didn't care about the series in the first place, and therefore shouldn't comment.
Modifié par KingZayd, 20 novembre 2012 - 12:50 .
2. I shown you, that IT(your version of IT) makes no sense in-universe.KingZayd wrote...
2. Clearly they wanted Shepard to come up. Probably because they wanted Shepard for some reason. IT makes sense both in and out universe. As I have shown.
I'm saying ME3 has an ending. It ends on a a cliffhanger. Only the things that cannot possibly be real in-universe have been ruled out as unreal. And that conveniently happens after Harbinger knocks Shepard out.
Simple Explanation 3- They thought people would be satisfied with the "fake ending" they supplied, then be amazed when the indoctrination reveal was made. They miscalculated.
When I was an ITer I never blamed the fanbase. I blamed Bioware for making the "fake endings" so bad that people couldn't accept them and be happy.
The same moneygrabbing company might be tempted to cut their twist reveal fromt he game and sell it separtely. For the sake of art and money. It makes sense.
Yes, like Capcom.The same moneygrabbing company might be tempted to cut their twist
reveal fromt he game and sell it separtely. For the sake of art and
money. It makes sense.
1. Yeah, sure. They'll be dead for sure within decades. Any hope was destroyed above Earth with allied fleets being annihilated.KingZayd wrote...
1. No. People aren't dead yet.
2. How does your "bad writing" disprove IT?
And i said exactly that. I said that you just declaring anything you don't like a dream - and you confirmed that. Ok.How did you tear me apart? I already told you. Only the intervals in which things could not have possibly been real, have been deemed unreal.
Some funny reasoning you have here.And there are nice transition points with Shepard being knocked out by Harbinger, and Shepard awaking. Is there some reason why you suspect the breath scene cannot be real?
Dafuq?The real ending: Reapers didn;t crush anyone. They indoctrinated Shepard. Not for the lulz, but because they wanted him. They had not already won, but they could have killed him. He's the best soldier they could take. He's an even better choice than Saren.
Comrade, you fail at basic logic.So at the end of ME3- we have fleets, ground troops (but not Shepard. But Shepard isn't the only competent person in the galaxy anyway) and the Reapers are still a threat.
Surebleak, but there is hope and there is sense.
Crucible is nonsense and absurd. It cannot possibly be real.How did you tear me apart? I already told you. Only the intervals in which things could not have possibly been real, have been deemed unreal.
So, we have Earth:intro. Shepard escapes Earth on Normandy.
Then Shepard have a dream about being contacted by Hackett, and sent to Mars.
Shepard awakes, and suddenly Kaidan(Ashley) fell from stair and have heavy concussion.
Shepard flies to Citadel to build alliances.
Council refuses to cooperate, Shepard bypasses them.
Shepard goes to Palaven, and takes Garrus from there(also evacuates new primarch).
Shepard goes to conference. And starts to help Wrex to cure genophage.
Shepard visits Sur-Kesh to get Krogan females, where he had strange dream about some half-husks attacking Sur-Kesh for absolutely no reason.
Shepard then goes to Tuchanka, when he had some strange dream involving some giant cannons. Stress, you know.
Shepard helps cure the genophage, by endangering only cured krogan female, and then saving her from danger. Mordin suddenly dies, because explosions.
Shepard returns to Citadel, and in process of that return he sees strange dream about Udina betraying himself with help of some strange half-husks. Also there was space ninja - but it is dream, so it is irrelevant.
Somehow, when Shepard arrived at Citadel, there was no trace of Udina. "Well, possibly he made his office on other station now" thought Shepard.
After that Shepard goes to Rannoch, where he helped destroy one of most powerful geth dreadnoughts because reasons.
Then Shepard somehow makes peace between geth and quarians.
Legion suddenly dies, because software can't copy itself.
Then Shepard had some strange dream about Thessia and Liara. There was also space ninja, - but it is a dream, so it is irrelevant. "Where is my blue Shadowbroker?" thought Shepard, after awakening. He hasn't seen her since raid on shadowbroker's lair.
After that, Shepard had another long dream, about some thing called sanctuary, TIM, Miranda and husks. There was also space ninja, - but it is a dream, so it is irelevant. "Where is that insidious manipulator and genius politician?" - thought Shepard. He hadn't seen TIM since Collector base, possible TIM is lost when he decided to visit that base personally. Or he just waiting.
Shepard decided to attack reapers near Earth - and then had a strange dream about some glowing kid, most retarded battle plan ever, Harbringer shooting soldiers for laugh, and explosions. Lots of explosions.
Then Shepard finally awakes, and returns to his duty as XO of frigate Normandy, under command of captain Anderson.
Modifié par Maxster_, 20 novembre 2012 - 01:06 .
MegaSovereign wrote...
ld1449 wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
Jeez why are you guys so angry?
I'd say exasperated fits more than angry really. Mild annoyance perhaps???
Do you really think people are going to be open-minded to whatever you have to say if you're passive aggressive?
Even if you think ME3 is the biggest disaster in gaming, there is not a good enough reason to dismiss other people's view points just based on the fact that they're different than yours.
Ofcourse, this works the other way around with people who think ME3 is an amazing game.
ld1449 wrote...
@ Scene. I gave you your answer. Go read it. Come back with your counter argument to it. If you don't then quite frankly, **** off. If you can't be bothered to go back to page five, read and comprehend, I can't be bothered to keep encouraging this rather sad display you're making of yourself
MegaSovereign wrote...
Our_Last_Scene says that the hypothetical ending in the OP makes the entire series not matter at all. This could be true but you'd have to make a bunch of huge assumptions. First off you'd have to assume that there is no way you could fail the N7 test. Otherwise your choices and decisions would matter because that's what would determine whether you passed the test.
Even in this case, I think it would ruin the trilogy's replay value. Such a huge twist would be a one hit wonder, afterwards it wouldn't be as cool to experience if you know that none of the small choices you've made even matter. Ofcourse, some people would argue that the endings currently in the game make those choices pointless but at least you feel like it had an impact off-screen. If the game outright tells you that everything you've done does not have any effect, then that would be a problem. You could argue that the series doesn't exist in real life anyways, but that's not the point. The OP's ending would make it to where none of the things you did even exists in the fiction. This, at least IMO, would be a lot more destructive to the series than even the original pre-EC endings were.
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
ld1449 wrote...
@ Scene. I gave you your answer. Go read it. Come back with your counter argument to it. If you don't then quite frankly, **** off. If you can't be bothered to go back to page five, read and comprehend, I can't be bothered to keep encouraging this rather sad display you're making of yourself
Unfortunately you directed me to an answer to a question someone else asked, and never actually answered the question I asked.
Instead of going out of your way to, yet again, avoid answering my question, why don't you just answer my question? Surely you want to prove me wrong? Don't you think that actually trying to prove me wrong would be a better way to go about that? Don't you see how doing what you're currently doing, which is everything you can to avoid proving me wrong, is not an ideal way to go about things?
Like it's not a complicated question, unless you don't want something to be exposed you really shouldn't worry about answering it. Heck, answering it may actually help your cause. You might actually be able to make a point if you attempted it.
Modifié par KingZayd, 20 novembre 2012 - 01:11 .
Our_Last_Scene wrote...
ld1449 wrote...
@ Scene. I gave you your answer. Go read it. Come back with your counter argument to it. If you don't then quite frankly, **** off. If you can't be bothered to go back to page five, read and comprehend, I can't be bothered to keep encouraging this rather sad display you're making of yourself
Unfortunately you directed me to an answer to a question someone else asked, and never actually answered the question I asked.
Instead of going out of your way to, yet again, avoid answering my question, why don't you just answer my question? Surely you want to prove me wrong? Don't you think that actually trying to prove me wrong would be a better way to go about that? Don't you see how doing what you're currently doing, which is everything you can to avoid proving me wrong, is not an ideal way to go about things?
Like it's not a complicated question, unless you don't want something to be exposed you really shouldn't worry about answering it. Heck, answering it may actually help your cause. You might actually be able to make a point if you attempted it.
KingZayd wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
Our_Last_Scene says that the hypothetical ending in the OP makes the entire series not matter at all. This could be true but you'd have to make a bunch of huge assumptions. First off you'd have to assume that there is no way you could fail the N7 test. Otherwise your choices and decisions would matter because that's what would determine whether you passed the test.
Even in this case, I think it would ruin the trilogy's replay value. Such a huge twist would be a one hit wonder, afterwards it wouldn't be as cool to experience if you know that none of the small choices you've made even matter. Ofcourse, some people would argue that the endings currently in the game make those choices pointless but at least you feel like it had an impact off-screen. If the game outright tells you that everything you've done does not have any effect, then that would be a problem. You could argue that the series doesn't exist in real life anyways, but that's not the point. The OP's ending would make it to where none of the things you did even exists in the fiction. This, at least IMO, would be a lot more destructive to the series than even the original pre-EC endings were.
The things would exist in the fiction contained in the other fictional universe. But that first bit of fiction would still be good.
MegaSovereign wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
Our_Last_Scene says that the hypothetical ending in the OP makes the entire series not matter at all. This could be true but you'd have to make a bunch of huge assumptions. First off you'd have to assume that there is no way you could fail the N7 test. Otherwise your choices and decisions would matter because that's what would determine whether you passed the test.
Even in this case, I think it would ruin the trilogy's replay value. Such a huge twist would be a one hit wonder, afterwards it wouldn't be as cool to experience if you know that none of the small choices you've made even matter. Ofcourse, some people would argue that the endings currently in the game make those choices pointless but at least you feel like it had an impact off-screen. If the game outright tells you that everything you've done does not have any effect, then that would be a problem. You could argue that the series doesn't exist in real life anyways, but that's not the point. The OP's ending would make it to where none of the things you did even exists in the fiction. This, at least IMO, would be a lot more destructive to the series than even the original pre-EC endings were.
The things would exist in the fiction contained in the other fictional universe. But that first bit of fiction would still be good.
Maybe so, but again not enough context was given in the OP's ending to reach a definitive conclusion on how the "real" ME universe would be like. We could automatically assume that any and all relationships Shepard had developed in the "simulation" would be pointless. There is also the possibility that none of the important events like humanity getting a seat on the council or a human becoming a Spectre ever happened.
Gibberish.Yesmar wrote...
Maxster_ wrote...
Headcanon is fanfiction.
Then it's a good thing I don't head canon IT as it is a theory.
Instead I head canon Indoctrination.
Difference is my head canon of Indoctrination is fan fiction I made up to apply to my perfect ending aka, how Shepard beats the Reapers after breaking their control.
I had quite a few ideas.
I don't think you know what a theory means, but that's ok.
linkIn modern science, the term "theory" refers to scientific theories, a well-confirmed type of explanation of nature, made in a way consistent with scientific method, and fulfilling the criteria required by modern science.
Such theories are described in such a way that any scientist in the
field is in a position to understand and either provide empirical
support ("verify") or empirically contradict ("falsify") it. Scientific theories are the most reliable, rigorous, and comprehensive form of scientific knowledge,[2] in contrast to more common uses of the word "theory" that imply that something is unproven or speculative.[3] Scientific theories are also distinguished from hypotheses, which are individual empirically testable conjectures, and scientific laws, which are descriptive accounts of how nature will behave under certain conditions.[4]
linkEssential criteria
The defining characteristic of all scientific knowledge, including theories, is the ability to make falsifiable or testable predictions. The relevance and specificity of those predictions determine how potentially useful the theory is. A would-be theory that makes no observable predictions is not a useful theory. Predictions not sufficiently specific to be tested are similarly not useful. In both cases, the term "theory" is hardly applicable.
A body of descriptions of knowledge is usually only called a theory if it has fulfilled these criteria:
- It makes falsifiable predictions with consistent accuracy across a broad area of scientific inquiry (such as mechanics).
- It is well-supported by many independent strands of evidence, rather than a single foundation. This ensures that it is probably a good approximation, if not completely correct.
- It is consistent with pre-existing theories and other experimental results. (Its predictions may differ slightly from pre-existing theories in cases where they are more accurate than before.)
- It can be adapted and modified to account for new evidence as it is discovered, thus increasing its predictive capability over time.
- It is among the most parsimonious explanations, sparing in proposed entities or explanations. (See Occam's razor. Since there is no generally accepted objective definition of parsimony, this is not a strict criterion, but some theories are much less economical than others.)
The first three criteria are the most important. Theories considered scientific meet at least most of the criteria, but ideally all of them. This is true of such established theories as special and general relativity, quantum mechanics, plate tectonics, evolution, etc.
In the philosophy of science, falsifiability or refutability is a quality or characteristic of a scientific hypothesis or theory.
Falsifiability is considered a positive (and often essential) quality
of a hypothesis because it means that the hypothesis is testable by
empirical experiment and thus conforms to the standards of scientific method. That something is "falsifiable" does not mean it is false, rather it means that if it is false, then observation or experiment will at some point demonstrate its falsehood.
For example, the assertion that "all swans are white" is falsifiable,
because it is logically possible that a swan can be found that is not
white. Not all statements that are falsifiable in principle are
falsifiable in practice.[1] For example, "It will be raining here in one million years" is theoretically falsifiable, but not practically so.[citation needed]
The concept first popularized by Karl Popper, who, in his philosophical criticism of the popular positivist view of the scientific method, concluded that a hypothesis, proposition, or theory
talks about the observable only if it is falsifiable. "Falsifiable" is
often taken to loosely mean "testable." An adage states it loosely as
"if it's not falsifiable, then it's not scientific". But the state of
being falsifiable or scientific says nothing about its truth, soundness
or validity, for example the unfalsifiable statement "That sunset is
beautiful."
You are already stated, that your "theory" is not falsifiable, and thus not a theory.
ITers, for unknown(well known actually) reasons, decided that "breath scene" is real, and Catalyst scene and epilogues are not.
It's because it is part of the theory, generally I think you have a hard time telling the difference.
It's understandable, but I think you should read more Fan fiction to get an idea of how they're very different.
No thanks, i've had enough of nonsensical fanfiction.But alas you gouged one last post out of me.
If you have any more questions ask about it in my theory thread on HTL.
Modifié par Maxster_, 20 novembre 2012 - 01:19 .
Yeah, i made it look better somehow.KingZayd wrote...
Wow, that's an ugly block of text.
Tidy it up will you? Then I'll try to respond to it.
KingZayd wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
KingZayd wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
Our_Last_Scene says that the hypothetical ending in the OP makes the entire series not matter at all. This could be true but you'd have to make a bunch of huge assumptions. First off you'd have to assume that there is no way you could fail the N7 test. Otherwise your choices and decisions would matter because that's what would determine whether you passed the test.
Even in this case, I think it would ruin the trilogy's replay value. Such a huge twist would be a one hit wonder, afterwards it wouldn't be as cool to experience if you know that none of the small choices you've made even matter. Ofcourse, some people would argue that the endings currently in the game make those choices pointless but at least you feel like it had an impact off-screen. If the game outright tells you that everything you've done does not have any effect, then that would be a problem. You could argue that the series doesn't exist in real life anyways, but that's not the point. The OP's ending would make it to where none of the things you did even exists in the fiction. This, at least IMO, would be a lot more destructive to the series than even the original pre-EC endings were.
The things would exist in the fiction contained in the other fictional universe. But that first bit of fiction would still be good.
Maybe so, but again not enough context was given in the OP's ending to reach a definitive conclusion on how the "real" ME universe would be like. We could automatically assume that any and all relationships Shepard had developed in the "simulation" would be pointless. There is also the possibility that none of the important events like humanity getting a seat on the council or a human becoming a Spectre ever happened.
True, and that's why it was a preferred ending, not a liked one.
But an ending that we see as making no sense, could have the same effect on that universe. Only, it'd spoil that bit of nice fiction too.
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