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[AlanC9]

KingZayd wrote...


I said there is no proof the EC epilogue is real. I don't think that's a baseless assumption.

You haven't been able to prove it's real.

What would constitute proof? Hell, there's no proof that anything in the entire game is "real."

[Applepie_Svk]

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

0/10
You stated that it is not real - prove that.
You already lost that debate, when you stated that you cut out whatever you don't like.

0/10
You stated that is is real - prove that.
You already lost the debate.

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

But of course if you really want me to say what will disprove IT, a definitive epilogue will disprove IT as a theory.
Mass effect 4 will also be capable of disproving IT.

But you already knew that.

Ok, fine.
1st already happen with EC.
2nd means that ME3 have no ending, and sold deliberately without ending.

So, IT is disproven.

To be fair, there's no proof the EC epilogue is real.

...

So, you failed to prove your baseless assertion, that stated this meaningless debate, and now you are telling me that i lost debate, because you can't prove your point.
Your credibility is zero

I said there is no proof the EC epilogue is real. I don't think that's a baseless assumption.

You haven't been able to prove it's real.

So I repeat:
0/10
You stated that is is real - prove that.
You already lost the debate

Bwahahaha.
You are so pathetic.
You can't prove your assertion, so i lost the debate. Suure.

I could say the same about your assertion. So yes.

Cycle cannot be broken...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 20 novembre 2012 - 08:51 .

[Falaxe]

Oh boy it`s fun to watch people enjoying friendly argumentation on BSN-forums

Well, the only way to "defeat" the reapers was destroy. It just had hard price...

[Ryoten]

The Xenosaga endings were better then ME3's ending. And that's saying a lot.

[Yate]

oh god

are people still going on about indoc theory

why

[KingZayd]

AlanC9 wrote...

KingZayd wrote...


I said there is no proof the EC epilogue is real. I don't think that's a baseless assumption.

You haven't been able to prove it's real.

What would constitute proof? Hell, there's no proof that anything in the entire game is "real."

That's my point. You can't win an argument by just jabbering on about proof.

[KingZayd]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

0/10
You stated that it is not real - prove that.
You already lost that debate, when you stated that you cut out whatever you don't like.

0/10
You stated that is is real - prove that.
You already lost the debate.

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

But of course if you really want me to say what will disprove IT, a definitive epilogue will disprove IT as a theory.
Mass effect 4 will also be capable of disproving IT.

But you already knew that.

Ok, fine.
1st already happen with EC.
2nd means that ME3 have no ending, and sold deliberately without ending.

So, IT is disproven.

To be fair, there's no proof the EC epilogue is real.

...

So, you failed to prove your baseless assertion, that stated this meaningless debate, and now you are telling me that i lost debate, because you can't prove your point.
Your credibility is zero

I said there is no proof the EC epilogue is real. I don't think that's a baseless assumption.

You haven't been able to prove it's real.

So I repeat:
0/10
You stated that is is real - prove that.
You already lost the debate

Bwahahaha.
You are so pathetic.
You can't prove your assertion, so i lost the debate. Suure.

I could say the same about your assertion. So yes.

Cycle cannot be broken...

[Yesmar]

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Yesmar wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Yesmar wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote....
[quote]Yesmar wrote...

It's because it is part of the theory, generally I think you have a hard time telling the difference.
It's understandable, but I think you should read more Fan fiction to get an idea of how they're very different.[/quote]You are already stated, that your "theory" is not falsifiable, and thus not a theory.
[/quote]


No where was it ever mentioned by me that IT can not be disproven.
I said again and again that it can be disproven and even told you how it can be disproven.
Nothing provided so far is strong enough to render IT as no longer a valid theory on what happened.

[/quote]
This is actually fun. So, you say that nothing ever mentioned by you that IT can not be disproven.
And THEN saying it can not be disproved by everything what was provided. Like EAWare saying there will be no post-ending DLC, low quality of EAWare writing(z-movie grade) with ME3, actual nonsense of such business strategy(destroying their fanbase and damaging their reputation, to release "real" ending after year).

It seems to me, that you just contradicting yourself.
[quote]
[quote]Maxster_ wrote...
ITers, for unknown(well known actually) reasons, decided that "breath scene" is real, and Catalyst scene and epilogues are not.[/quote]
Let's end it once and for all.
I'm not an ITer, I don't believe in it and don't think it will happen(as I already said to you previously).The scene's have a meaning as in Shepard on the citadel and the conversation with the Tim and the Catalyst represent the battle within his mind.The breath scene represents Shepard fighting off Indoctrination, it's all part of the theory.Personally I think you're uneducated on IT and what a theory is as a whole.
[/quote]

And why should i waste time on nonsensical theories, that change to adapt for every real fact in that way, so they can not be disproven? 
Any shred of credibility(and actually almost none even at that time) which IT had - was already downed to absolute zero with EC.
It is fully like creationists or conspiracy theories.

That battle is nonsense, because reapers already won.
[quote]
Seen as you keep bringing on the same points that have already been answered to death.
IT can be disproven, here I said it.
IT can be disproven.

Again, personally I think you're trolling and intentionally playing dumb.
Or maybe you're just ignorantly hating on something you don't like, ignoring logic.
I know people despise IT but at least use your brain when arguing against it, come up with good points.
You can't say IT is not a theory as that makes no sense, it sounds like you're trying to annoy ITers by saying they're making up fan fiction.
Which is another problem of yours, I'm not sure you know the difference.
Instead you should make good points as to why IT is not true and why it is not likely.

I'm surprised this is even an issue with some people.

[/quote]
IT is not a theory. Any fact that disproves the IT, is immediately disregarded by fanatics.
Seeing ME3(and ME2) garbage writing, why would anyone thought that EAWare is capable of such level of writing? It is clear that they are not, and they never were.

I asked you a question - what would disprove the IT? You answered that it is epilogue, and ME3 have an epilogue.
You just don't like epilogue, so it is false.
And that is perfect example, that nothing can disprove the IT for fanatics. Facts are just discarded, because they don't fit the IT.
[/quote]

It's pretty straight forward.

1) Nothing disproved IT as a possible outcome yet, it can however be disproven.
     It's that simple, a thick skulled person should understand that.
     I'm not contadicting myself, you're just acting silly and don't understand it.

2) It's sounds like theories make you butthurt for some reason, so you try to hate on them.
    

3) It's not dismissed, it just didn't provide anything to indicate IT as not being a possible explanation for what happened at the end.
If Bioware provides suitable material I will be the first one to slam down on IT, Bioware however did not and so IT is a theory.
Get over your butthurt for IT.


[/quote]
1) How can it be disproven, when only source of such disproval would be acceptance of facts by ITers? Not that they ever accept facts which destroy their favorite delusion.
I stated the facts which disproves the IT, but those facts are easily discarded by you.
Like epilogue, which you said disprove the IT, and when i pointed you on a real epilogue of ME3 - you said that you discard this.

And by that, you basically confrirmed that IT can not be disproven, but you still saying that it can.
Also, you completely ignore indirect evidence, like EAWare ****ty writing. And that IT makes no sense from business perspective.

2) I just don't like people who stating plain lie, like that ME3 writing was brilliant, when it clearly not.

3)
[quote]It's not dismissed, it just didn't provide anything to indicate IT as
not being a possible explanation for what happened at the end.
[/quote]
Of course. You just discarding evidence you don't like. As true fanatic.
[quote]If Bioware provides suitable material I will be the first one to slam down on IT, Bioware however did not and so IT is a theory.[/quote]
Sure, EAWare produced the EC, and said that there will be no post-ending dlc.
So, they provided suitable material which completely disproves the IT. Fanactics just discard those facts.
[/quote]

You didn't state any facts, you only gave illogical views.
I only deal in logic, hence we're on differing viewpoints.
It's a theory on the story, not on outside reasons why the story is bad.
While it cute to dismiss the game for that, for theories it doesn't hold any water against them.
EC does not in anyway disprove IT, people don't discard it.
It just doesn't disprove IT as a theory.

IT is a valid theory on what happened, keep your ignorance at home.
But yes Bioware can easily disprove it as a theory, Bioware doesn't keep to it's word so it is even more likely it will be dismissed as a theory sooner rather than later.

[HiddenInWar]

Yate wrote...

oh god

are people still going on about indoc theory

why

I support "Does it prove IT?" as the official BSN slogan! 

[Yesmar]

HiddenInWar wrote...

Yate wrote...

oh god

are people still going on about indoc theory

why

I support "Does it prove IT?" as the official BSN slogan! 

Better change that to "But Does it disprove IT?"
Maxster is breaking barriers in nonsense similar to Protoss.

[Maxster_]

[quote]Yesmar wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Yesmar wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

[quote]Yesmar wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote....
[quote]Yesmar wrote...

It's because it is part of the theory, generally I think you have a hard time telling the difference.
It's understandable, but I think you should read more Fan fiction to get an idea of how they're very different.[/quote]You are already stated, that your "theory" is not falsifiable, and thus not a theory.
[/quote]


No where was it ever mentioned by me that IT can not be disproven.
I said again and again that it can be disproven and even told you how it can be disproven.
Nothing provided so far is strong enough to render IT as no longer a valid theory on what happened.

[/quote]
This is actually fun. So, you say that nothing ever mentioned by you that IT can not be disproven.
And THEN saying it can not be disproved by everything what was provided. Like EAWare saying there will be no post-ending DLC, low quality of EAWare writing(z-movie grade) with ME3, actual nonsense of such business strategy(destroying their fanbase and damaging their reputation, to release "real" ending after year).

It seems to me, that you just contradicting yourself.
[quote]
[quote]Maxster_ wrote...
ITers, for unknown(well known actually) reasons, decided that "breath scene" is real, and Catalyst scene and epilogues are not.[/quote]
Let's end it once and for all.
I'm not an ITer, I don't believe in it and don't think it will happen(as I already said to you previously).The scene's have a meaning as in Shepard on the citadel and the conversation with the Tim and the Catalyst represent the battle within his mind.The breath scene represents Shepard fighting off Indoctrination, it's all part of the theory.Personally I think you're uneducated on IT and what a theory is as a whole.
[/quote]

And why should i waste time on nonsensical theories, that change to adapt for every real fact in that way, so they can not be disproven? 
Any shred of credibility(and actually almost none even at that time) which IT had - was already downed to absolute zero with EC.
It is fully like creationists or conspiracy theories.

That battle is nonsense, because reapers already won.
[quote]
Seen as you keep bringing on the same points that have already been answered to death.
IT can be disproven, here I said it.
IT can be disproven.

Again, personally I think you're trolling and intentionally playing dumb.
Or maybe you're just ignorantly hating on something you don't like, ignoring logic.
I know people despise IT but at least use your brain when arguing against it, come up with good points.
You can't say IT is not a theory as that makes no sense, it sounds like you're trying to annoy ITers by saying they're making up fan fiction.
Which is another problem of yours, I'm not sure you know the difference.
Instead you should make good points as to why IT is not true and why it is not likely.

I'm surprised this is even an issue with some people.

[/quote]
IT is not a theory. Any fact that disproves the IT, is immediately disregarded by fanatics.
Seeing ME3(and ME2) garbage writing, why would anyone thought that EAWare is capable of such level of writing? It is clear that they are not, and they never were.

I asked you a question - what would disprove the IT? You answered that it is epilogue, and ME3 have an epilogue.
You just don't like epilogue, so it is false.
And that is perfect example, that nothing can disprove the IT for fanatics. Facts are just discarded, because they don't fit the IT.
[/quote]

It's pretty straight forward.

1) Nothing disproved IT as a possible outcome yet, it can however be disproven.
     It's that simple, a thick skulled person should understand that.
     I'm not contadicting myself, you're just acting silly and don't understand it.

2) It's sounds like theories make you butthurt for some reason, so you try to hate on them.
    

3) It's not dismissed, it just didn't provide anything to indicate IT as not being a possible explanation for what happened at the end.
If Bioware provides suitable material I will be the first one to slam down on IT, Bioware however did not and so IT is a theory.
Get over your butthurt for IT.


[/quote]
1) How can it be disproven, when only source of such disproval would be acceptance of facts by ITers? Not that they ever accept facts which destroy their favorite delusion.
I stated the facts which disproves the IT, but those facts are easily discarded by you.
Like epilogue, which you said disprove the IT, and when i pointed you on a real epilogue of ME3 - you said that you discard this.

And by that, you basically confrirmed that IT can not be disproven, but you still saying that it can.
Also, you completely ignore indirect evidence, like EAWare ****ty writing. And that IT makes no sense from business perspective.

2) I just don't like people who stating plain lie, like that ME3 writing was brilliant, when it clearly not.

3)
[quote]It's not dismissed, it just didn't provide anything to indicate IT as
not being a possible explanation for what happened at the end.
[/quote]
Of course. You just discarding evidence you don't like. As true fanatic.
[quote]If Bioware provides suitable material I will be the first one to slam down on IT, Bioware however did not and so IT is a theory.[/quote]
Sure, EAWare produced the EC, and said that there will be no post-ending dlc.
So, they provided suitable material which completely disproves the IT. Fanactics just discard those facts.
[/quote]

You didn't state any facts, you only gave illogical views.
[/quote]
Facts:
ME3 is nonsensical plot-hole ridden mess long before the endings.
ME3 have an ending.
ME3 have an epilogue.
There is no "real" IT ending.
ME3 have an EC with extended epilogue(and retcons, and plain crap writing like "evactuation scene"), which released after fans outrage.
EC have no "real" IT ending.
ME3 is objectively badly written.

Conjectures.
IT makes no sense from business perspective.
IT makes no sense in-universe.
ITers discarding facts they don't like. Plainly discarded facts, like reapers doesn't need to indoctrinate Shepard - they already won; prothean VI's detecting indoctrination haven't detected Shepard being indoctrinated.
Based on facts that ME3 is utterly badly written, there is absolute no reason to assume that writing was brilliant in the endings.
[quote]
I only deal in logic, hence we're on differing viewpoints.[/quote]
No, you don't. You just discard facts, and conjectures based on those facts - for sole reason that those facts disproves IT. Thus IT can not be disproven.
[quote]
It's a theory on the story, not on outside reasons why the story is bad.
[/quote]
Sure.
Reapers just sit in dark space for thousands of years of Sovereign's machinations, when they could just fly into a galaxy in 0.5-3 years.
Completely outside reason, sure.
Crucible is nonsense and absurd that can not exist.
Also competely outside reason. As is Cerberus becoming Sith Empire.
[quote]
While it cute to dismiss the game for that, for theories it doesn't hold any water against them.
EC does not in anyway disprove IT, people don't discard it.
It just doesn't disprove IT as a theory.
[/quote]
Of course. Any fact that disproves the IT, immediately discarded or ignored by ITers.
[quote]
IT is a valid theory on what happened, keep your ignorance at home.
[/quote]
No, it is not. It makes no sense, and doesn't fix ME3 crappy writing.
It is just a delusion.
[quote]
But yes Bioware can easily disprove it as a theory, Bioware doesn't keep to it's word so it is even more likely it will be dismissed as a theory sooner rather than later.
[/quote]
IT can not be disproven, like any conspiracy theory.
That is obvious.

[Maxster_]

HiddenInWar wrote...

Yate wrote...

oh god

are people still going on about indoc theory

why

I support "Does it prove IT?" as the official BSN slogan! 

Better is - Does IT prove IT?

[Applepie_Svk]

Maxster_ wrote...

Conjectures.
IT makes no sense from business perspective.

It´s ****ing goldmine... 

Maxster_ wrote...
IT makes no sense in-universe.

much more sense than Catalyst, otherwise as far as I remember it was always about beating the odds and Indocrtination itself is even greater enemy than Reapers.

[Yesmar]

Maxster_ wrote...

Facts:
ME3 is nonsensical plot-hole ridden mess long before the endings.
There is no "real" IT ending.
ME3 have an EC with extended epilogue(and retcons, and plain crap writing like "evactuation scene"), which released after fans outrage.
EC have no "real" IT ending.
ME3 is objectively badly written.

They are not facts, they're just your views.
Your opinion =/= facts.

Conjectures.
IT makes no sense from business perspective.
IT makes no sense in-universe.
ITers discarding facts they don't like. Plainly discarded facts, like reapers doesn't need to indoctrinate Shepard - they already won; prothean VI's detecting indoctrination haven't detected Shepard being indoctrinated.
Based on facts that ME3 is utterly badly written, there is absolute no reason to assume that writing was brilliant in the endings.

I already made arguments against protheans VI's detectors 8 months ago and why it did not detect indoctrination in shepard.
Long story short, they can't detect Sleeper agents.
You have a hate for IT despite having no good arguments against it.

No, you don't. You just discard facts, and conjectures based on those facts - for sole reason that those facts disproves IT. Thus IT can not be disproven.

Facts are facts, the facts are IT can be both proven and disproven.
It is you who ignores facts.

Sure.
Reapers just sit in dark space for thousands of years of Sovereign's machinations, when they could just fly into a galaxy in 0.5-3 years.
Completely outside reason, sure.
Crucible is nonsense and absurd that can not exist.
Also competely outside reason. As is Cerberus becoming Sith Empire.

Irrelevant.

Of course. Any fact that disproves the IT, immediately discarded or ignored by ITers.

ITers welcome facts, EC did not have any facts.

No, it is not. It makes no sense, and doesn't fix ME3 crappy writing.
It is just a delusion.

It is you who is delusional.

IT can not be disproven, like any conspiracy theory.
That is obvious.

I already proved it can be both proven and disproven.

Modifié par Yesmar, 20 novembre 2012 - 10:44 .

[Maxster_]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Conjectures.
IT makes no sense from business perspective.

It´s ****ing goldmine... 

I meant if it would be EAWare plan. Like destroy their core fanbase, heavily damage their reputation - and all that to release real ending year later, for which no one will ever care.

As for now, - ITers is main source of income from DLC, and they will eat any crap EAWare serve them.

Maxster_ wrote...
IT makes no sense in-universe.

much more sense than Catalyst, otherwise as far as I remember it was always about beating the odds and Indocrtination itself is even greater enemy than Reapers.

You do not fix bad writing with bad writing.
Saying that Catalyst is only one problem of ME3 is a delusion. Saying ME3 was greatly written before the ending - is plain lie.

[Maxster_]

[quote]Yesmar wrote...

[quote]Maxster_ wrote...

Facts:
ME3 is nonsensical plot-hole ridden mess long before the endings.
There is no "real" IT ending.
ME3 have an EC with extended epilogue(and retcons, and plain crap writing like "evactuation scene"), which released after fans outrage.
EC have no "real" IT ending.
ME3 is objectively badly written.
[/quote]

They are not facts, they're just your views.
Your opinion =/= facts.
[/quote]

So, ME3 having a EC is not fact. It is my opinion.
Suure.
[quote]
[quote]
Conjectures.
IT makes no sense from business perspective.
IT makes no sense in-universe.
ITers discarding facts they don't like. Plainly discarded facts, like reapers doesn't need to indoctrinate Shepard - they already won; prothean VI's detecting indoctrination haven't detected Shepard being indoctrinated.
Based on facts that ME3 is utterly badly written, there is absolute no reason to assume that writing was brilliant in the endings.
[/quote]

I already made arguments against protheans VI's detectors 8 months ago and why it did not detect indoctrination in shepard.
Long story short, they can't detect Sleeper agents.
You have a hate for IT despite having no good arguments against it.
[/quote]
As true fanatic, you just discard any facts you don't like, and then stating your baseless assumption as "facts".
Not that it is something new, especially from ITer.
I just like how you discarded real facts quote earlier. That was just hilarious.

[quote]
[quote]
No, you don't. You just discard facts, and conjectures based on those facts - for sole reason that those facts disproves IT. Thus IT can not be disproven.
[/quote]
Facts are facts, the facts are IT can be both proven and disproven.
It is you who ignores facts.
[/quote]
Funny statement from someone, who calls facts he don't like an opinion.
[quote]
[quote]
Sure.
Reapers just sit in dark space for thousands of years of Sovereign's machinations, when they could just fly into a galaxy in 0.5-3 years.
Completely outside reason, sure.
Crucible is nonsense and absurd that can not exist.
Also competely outside reason. As is Cerberus becoming Sith Empire.
[/quote]

Irrelevant.
[/quote]
Of course.
You just confirmed, again, that any fact that disproves the IT, immediately discarded or ignored by ITers.
In this case - ignored.
[quote]
[quote]
Of course. Any fact that disproves the IT, immediately discarded or ignored by ITers.
[/quote]
ITers welcome facts, EC did not have any facts.
[/quote]
EC have extended epilogue. ITers didn't liked that, so they declared that it is not fact.

[quote]
[quote]
No, it is not. It makes no sense, and doesn't fix ME3 crappy writing.
It is just a delusion.
[/quote]


It is you who is delusional.
[/quote]
Sure, sure
[quote]
[quote]
IT can not be disproven, like any conspiracy theory.
That is obvious.

[/quote]

I already proved it can be both proven and disproven.


[/quote]
Sure.
You stated that IT can be disproven.
And then you discarded and ignored facts that disprove the IT.

This is just hilarious.
 

Modifié par Maxster_, 20 novembre 2012 - 11:00 .

[Yesmar]

Maxster_ wrote...


So, ME3 having a EC is not fact. It is my opinion.
Suure.

EC is a fact however when you group your opinions in with that point, it is hard to remove it.
Overall your point is an opinion mixed with a fact.
I don't post mixed information, only facts.
As such I am not going to remove the point as it would be seen as me making your opinion seem as fact when it is indeed not fact.

You stated that IT can be disproven.
And then you discarded and ignored facts that disprove the IT.
This is just hilarious.
 

It is your opinion they disprove IT.
Your opinion is worthless, I only want the facts you did not yet provide.

Modifié par Yesmar, 20 novembre 2012 - 11:21 .

[Yesmar]

I don't make assumptions as fact, I make them as theories, hence IT.

Modifié par Yesmar, 20 novembre 2012 - 11:25 .

[Maxster_]

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


So, ME3 having a EC is not fact. It is my opinion.
Suure.

EC is a fact however when you group your opinions in with that point, it is hard to remove it.
Overall your point is an opinion mixed with a fact.
I don't post mixed information, only facts.
As such I am not going to remove the point as it would be seen as me making your opinion seem as fact when it is indeed not fact.

1. ME3 is nonsensical plot-hole ridden mess long before the endings.
It is a fact.
Crucible, Cerberus becoming Sith Empire, Reapers sitting in dark space for thousands of years just for lulz - it is all nonsense, plot-holes. Theese completely destroys not only ME3 plot, but overarching plot of the series.
But it is irrelevant to ITers, because this crap writing makes IT existence impossible.
Therefore, it is ignored.

2. There is no "real" IT ending.
This is also a fact.
There is no other endings in original ME3. Only one(3) with Catalyst.

3. ME3 have an EC with extended epilogue(and retcons, and plain crap writing like "evactuation scene"), which released after fans outrage.
This is also fact.
Epilogue from OE extended(retconned) in the EC.

4. EC have no "real" IT ending.
And this is also a fact.
There is no other endings than 4(3.5) in EC. None. Zero.

5. ME3 is objectively badly written.
This also a fact. Story structure is broken, lore is broken, prequels nullified.
Earth:intro, for example, unbelievably badly written.
As is Citadel coup with Udina betraying himself.
.
.
And of course, those facts are discarded or ignored by ITers.

You stated that IT can be disproven.
And then you discarded and ignored facts that disprove the IT.
This is just hilarious.
 

It is your opinion they disprove IT.
Your opinion is worthless, I only want the facts you did not yet provide.

Sure, sure. 

[HiddenInWar]

Maxster_ wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

Yate wrote...

oh god

are people still going on about indoc theory

why

I support "Does it prove IT?" as the official BSN slogan! 

Better is - Does IT prove IT?

The IT theory proves IT?

But does the IT theory proving IT prove IT?

[Maxster_]

HiddenInWar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

HiddenInWar wrote...

Yate wrote...

oh god

are people still going on about indoc theory

why

I support "Does it prove IT?" as the official BSN slogan! 

Better is - Does IT prove IT?

The IT theory proves IT?

But does the IT theory proving IT prove IT?

This question is more deep slogan than mine.
I support this.

[Nightwriter]

arial wrote...

 people here always say the endings are the worst thing in gaming hsitory,  although I highly disagree (I can think of a few games from the mid-late 90s that were worse), it could have been way worse.

Example of a worse ending for ME3:

After fireing the Crucible big Letters appear on the screen saying "Simulation Completed", you then see Shepard exit a cryo pod, Anderson comes over and says "You did good son, welcome to N7".

This would have been much worse.


So just be thankful the ending was not as bad as that.

(P.S. I think the worst ending goes to "Outlaws")

"So the manicurist messed up a bit and you lost your hand. You could've lost your whole arm!"

[angol fear]

Ryoten wrote...

The Xenosaga endings were better then ME3's ending. And that's saying a lot.

Xenosaga's ending is good and Mass Effect ending is good too. Why did you play these type of game if you wanted something different? All the titles of Xenosaga are Nietzsche's books, it is inspired by Nietzsche's philosophy. It's the same with Mass Effect, there's Nietzsche's philosophy in there too. Maybe you don't like Nietzsche!

[Yesmar]

Maxster_ wrote...


1. ME3 is nonsensical plot-hole ridden mess long before the endings.
It is a fact.
Crucible, Cerberus becoming Sith Empire, Reapers sitting in dark space for thousands of years just for lulz - it is all nonsense, plot-holes. Theese completely destroys not only ME3 plot, but overarching plot of the series.
But it is irrelevant to ITers, because this crap writing makes IT existence impossible.
Therefore, it is ignored.

It's your opinion, don't mistake it for fact.
Nothing about it is "fact".

2. There is no "real" IT ending.
This is also a fact.
There is no other endings in original ME3. Only one(3) with Catalyst.

That is not fact that is speculating, there could be a IT ending in production.
Therefore it is not fact there is no "real" IT ending as you have no way of knowing.
Therefore it is not fact.

3. ME3 have an EC with extended epilogue(and retcons, and plain crap writing like "evactuation scene"), which released after fans outrage.
This is also fact.
Epilogue from OE extended(retconned) in the EC.

EC is a fact and changed some stuff, it happened.
That is about the only fact, everything else is your opinion.

5. ME3 is objectively badly written.
This also a fact. Story structure is broken, lore is broken, prequels nullified.
Earth:intro, for example, unbelievably badly written.
As is Citadel coup with Udina betraying himself.

This sums up you up, you mistake your opinion as being fact.
Your opinion is not fact.

And of course, those facts are discarded or ignored by ITers.

I'm discarding your opinion, you do not provide any facts.
Post hard facts instead of your bias opinion.

[avenging_teabag]

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


1. ME3 is nonsensical plot-hole ridden mess long before the endings.
It is a fact.
Crucible, Cerberus becoming Sith Empire, Reapers sitting in dark space for thousands of years just for lulz - it is all nonsense, plot-holes. Theese completely destroys not only ME3 plot, but overarching plot of the series.
But it is irrelevant to ITers, because this crap writing makes IT existence impossible.
Therefore, it is ignored.

It's your opinion, don't mistake it for fact.
Nothing about it is "fact".

Logical and narrative inconsistencies - between ME3 and the earlier games, and within ME3 itself - permeat the ME3 so-called "plot" thoroughly starting from the very beginning. Dismissing them with "your opinion, LOL" doesn't make your position worth considering.