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[andy6915]

I just got an Evangelion feeling. Seriously, those last 2 episodes were much like that.

Of course, then EA would have made an "End of Mass Effect" that makes and ending that mind screws you and makes the refusal ending look like the best thing ever.

Thank goodness for Evangelion Retake...

[Winterfly]

Neizd wrote...

Now:

If only Tali, one of three most loved characters (according to fanbase) didn't recieve a cheap, badly photoshoped 5 minut work instead of a in game model...

If all ME2 squadmates didn't recieve a short end of a stick...

If the fetch quest were more like ME2 where you land and explore/fight/interact with something...

If...a lot of ifs.

Like harbringer says: This is what we face - ME3 was not what a lot of people wanted it to be.

I Can simply agree. I would have wanted more non combat exploration. Bit more like ME1.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

Yate wrote...

Humanoid_Typhoon wrote...

Yate wrote...

people would've gotten mad no matter what the ending was

True, they just wouldn't have been as vocal, nor at the scale of RME

It's not so much that people were mad, it's that so many people were unified over what they were mad about, it was a bit of a consumer awakening, sure people would like for producers of goods to have all the power *cough cough* but, as far as I can tell no game has ever had such a unified response at the scale as the ending to ME3.

True, and I'm glad we got the EC. But that's just because the endings lack that emotional umph needed to close the series. Nowadays people just bash anything related to the Catalyst or Synthesis without question. They're too emotionally immature to get past the disappointment and properly enjoy the series.

You seem to not be able to understand that a lot of the complaint wasn't about anything emotional, bad storytelling is bad storytelling, period. 

You can only really get away with turrible writing if the hero wins, and when I say win I don't mean it is implied that they won. 

Modifié par Humanoid_Typhoon, 19 novembre 2012 - 12:13 .

[Iakus]

DPSSOC wrote...

Is it bad that I liked the ME3 endings? Is it worse that I thought the original was better than the EC? People saying, "it could be worse" is a bad argument are right, but I'd argue the endings are quite good and perfectly in line with the themes, tone, and lore of the series.

No, liking the endings, even the original ones, doesn't make you a bad person (though it does make you a little strange )

What is bad, though, is Bioware making no allowances at all for anyone else, who wanted a more upbeat, optimistic ending.  Not everyone played a Shepard who crushed anyone, enemy or ally, under his boot in pursuit of his goals.  Some wanted to win with honor, on their own terms.  Others wanted Shepard to live (clearly live).  Others find even the "most optimal" endings to come with too high a price tag.  Even the EC endings don't do a whole lot for these. 

EC might have done more to differentiate individual endings than color.  But they are still the same endings.  And not much differentiates them in these respects.

[Humanoid_Typhoon]

iakus wrote...

DPSSOC wrote...

Is it bad that I liked the ME3 endings? Is it worse that I thought the original was better than the EC? People saying, "it could be worse" is a bad argument are right, but I'd argue the endings are quite good and perfectly in line with the themes, tone, and lore of the series.

No, liking the endings, even the original ones, doesn't make you a bad person (though it does make you a little strange )

What is bad, though, is Bioware making no allowances at all for anyone else, who wanted a more upbeat, optimistic ending.  Not everyone played a Shepard who crushed anyone, enemy or ally, under his boot in pursuit of his goals.  Some wanted to win with honor, on their own terms.  Others wanted Shepard to live (clearly live).  Others find even the "most optimal" endings to come with too high a price tag.  Even the EC endings don't do a whole lot for these. 

EC might have done more to differentiate individual endings than color.  But they are still the same endings.  And not much differentiates them in these respects.

(claps)

[MrStoob]

One of the probs with the ME3 ending for me was, did we NEED to know why the evil robot monsters were doing what they were doing? As someone said above, it would have worked as Shep/Anderson convo, activate crucible, EMS decides fate of galaxy, but with a bit more weight to previous decisions and actions across the series (as promised). They should have stuck with Sovereigns original assertion that organics could not possibly understand the musings of Cthulu-esque space gods.

But, no. Not the 'simulation complete' ending.

[FlamingBoy]

yes, yes it is

[ChickenMan77]

I like it! I think I would of actually preferred it to be a simulation rather than a bedtime story told to a child….actually come to think of it…it’s pretty darn close to the original idea.Instead of tell me another story about The Shepard …..could of been replaced with boot up another N7 simulation about The Shepard..

[ld1449]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Either they honestly believe that something, which is the equivalent of not playing the entire series, is better

Or

They're lying.

Chances are they're lying, and that should always set off alarm bells when someone has to lie to try and make a point, or make someone else look bad.

Nope.

Not lying.

Just that bad of an ending where even one that tries to fail fails at doing it worse.

Seeing as though you just admited you don't care about the trilogy:

Why do you care about the end of it?

When the bloody **** did I say this?

Modifié par ld1449, 19 novembre 2012 - 02:32 .

[K. S. Black]

arial wrote...


No, because it meant nothing ever really happened.and LIs you had, every choice you made, every character you had met. none of it would have actually happened, nobody was real, it was all a big lie.

Odd you say that, since the stargazer scene is just that, a story of Shepard passed down, meaning the entire trilodgy was a story told to a kid.

Modifié par K. S. Black, 19 novembre 2012 - 02:43 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Ending is genius.

Realize the Reaper AI is trying to subvert you or end up living in the Reaper Matrix.

Fooling people into thinking they can control the Reapers, or that they can safely throw themselves into the Reaper beam.



Now that, is art.

Realize.

[Steelcan]

I really wish I could get behind IT. But I don't think BioWare is A. That clever, or B. if it was true then EC wouldn't have been so clearly biased towards a literal interpretation.

But it works great in my headcanon

[ChuckTesla]

I headcanon that the Catalyst was somehow 'corrupted', for the lack of a better word, by some of Leviathan's thralls, so that it is programmed to harvest the overly superior races that have too much power in the galaxy.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Steelcan wrote...

I really wish I could get behind IT. But I don't think BioWare is A. That clever, or B. if it was true then EC wouldn't have been so clearly biased towards a literal interpretation.

But it works great in my headcanon

Reminds me of that game where the mind-controlling villain at the end shows you an illusion, and if you buy into it, credits will roll as if you beat the game, but in fact you end up being a slave of the mind controllers. When you reject this false reality, you get to fight the bad guy for the real ending.

Ah yes, Neverwinter Nights 2, Hordes of the Underdark.

Who made that game again? Bioware you say? Surely they could never be that clever!

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 19 novembre 2012 - 03:45 .

[Steelcan]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

I really wish I could get behind IT. But I don't think BioWare is A. That clever, or B. if it was true then EC wouldn't have been so clearly biased towards a literal interpretation.

But it works great in my headcanon

Reminds me of that game where the mind-controlling villain at the end shows you an illusion, and if you buy into it, credits will roll as if you beat the game, but in fact you end up being a slave of the mind controllers. When you reject this false reality, you get to fight the bad guy for the real ending.

Ah yes, Neverwinter Nights 2, Hordes of the Underdark.

Who made that game again? Bioware you say? Surely they could never be that clever!

Then why would they pull the same thing twice?  People would say it was a chep fall back onto something they previously did.  And ive never played or even heard of that game. 

And that does not answer my second point.

[Steelcan]

Maybe "clever" was poor word choice

[thefallen2far]

I'm not saying it's the worst ending in gaming history, I'm saying it was the worst ending in media history. I can't think of many endings that are really worse. It was worse than Lost, and that was up to that point the most infuriating ending for me. Battlestar galactica was pretty bad, but ME3 ending is by far the worst ending I've ever experienced.

As for the "simulation" ending.... that would have been better.

[Clayless]

ld1449 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Either they honestly believe that something, which is the equivalent of not playing the entire series, is better

Or

They're lying.

Chances are they're lying, and that should always set off alarm bells when someone has to lie to try and make a point, or make someone else look bad.

Nope.

Not lying.

Just that bad of an ending where even one that tries to fail fails at doing it worse.

Seeing as though you just admited you don't care about the trilogy:

Why do you care about the end of it?

When the bloody **** did I say this?

Right here when you quoted this:

"Either they honestly believe that something, which is the equivalent of not playing the entire series, is better, or they're lying."

And said you're not lying when you think that's a better ending.

Now that you understand what you just quoted and said,

Seeing as though you just admited you don't care about the trilogy:

Why do you care about the end of it?

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 19 novembre 2012 - 04:13 .

[KingZayd]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Either they honestly believe that something, which is the equivalent of not playing the entire series, is better

Or

They're lying.

Chances are they're lying, and that should always set off alarm bells when someone has to lie to try and make a point, or make someone else look bad.

Nope.

Not lying.

Just that bad of an ending where even one that tries to fail fails at doing it worse.

Seeing as though you just admited you don't care about the trilogy:

Why do you care about the end of it?

When the bloody **** did I say this?

Right here when you quoted this:

"Either they honestly believe that something, which is the equivalent of not playing the entire series, is better, or they're lying."

And said you're not lying when you think that's a better ending.

Now that you understand what you just quoted and said,

Seeing as though you just admited you don't care about the trilogy:

Why do you care about the end of it?

He said no, and not lying. It genuinely was a better ending than what we got. And I loved the trilogy (up to the ending that we got)

[Archonsg]

OP's simulation ending is only better than the original / EC in the sense of both are train wrecks just one had toxic material and the other just high explosives.

The fact that one can be compared to the other, just show how bad it is.

At least they didn't cut to a wall of text and hitting any key dumps you out to DOS ... Uhhh, windows desktop.

[Dark_Caduceus]

arial wrote...

 people here always say the endings are the worst thing in gaming hsitory,  although I highly disagree (I can think of a few games from the mid-late 90s that were worse), it could have been way worse.

Example of a worse ending for ME3:

After fireing the Crucible big Letters appear on the screen saying "Simulation Completed", you then see Shepard exit a cryo pod, Anderson comes over and says "You did good son, welcome to N7".

This would have been much worse.


So just be thankful the ending was not as bad as that.

(P.S. I think the worst ending goes to "Outlaws")

"It was all a dream" would actually make the ending better.

[EnvyTB075]

Your idea is bad, and you should feel bad.

andy69156915 wrote...

I just got an Evangelion feeling. Seriously, those last 2 episodes were much like that.

I'll be honest i actually understood what was happening in those two episodes.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 19 novembre 2012 - 05:08 .

[jkflipflopDAO]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Wow, people are saying a simulation would've been better. C'mon guys, you KNOW you would've been pissed if that was the real ending. You KNOW it. That would've literally been a complete waste of 100+
hours of gameplay.

Yes, I would have been pissed, but in comparison with something even worse it's actually good. I would have preferred the simulation crap to the garbage we are currently served.

[jkflipflopDAO]

Yate wrote...

people would've gotten mad no matter what the ending was

So wrong it hurts.

[RogueBot]

arial wrote...

 people here always say the endings are the worst thing in gaming hsitory,  although I highly disagree (I can think of a few games from the mid-late 90s that were worse), it could have been way worse.

Example of a worse ending for ME3:

After fireing the Crucible big Letters appear on the screen saying "Simulation Completed", you then see Shepard exit a cryo pod, Anderson comes over and says "You did good son, welcome to N7".

This would have been much worse.


So just be thankful the ending was not as bad as that.

(P.S. I think the worst ending goes to "Outlaws")

Although I see your point, when it comes to botched endings I think it's better to laugh than cry, and at least this ending would induce more laughing than crying.

Unfortunately, I think I'm one of the few people that laughed at the original ending, and laughed even more at the EC (the husk's facial expression after synthesis is pure comic relief). Most people just seemed to feel despair.

Modifié par RogueBot, 19 novembre 2012 - 05:33 .