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[Oni Changas]

arial wrote...

 people here always say the endings are the worst thing in gaming hsitory,  although I highly disagree (I can think of a few games from the mid-late 90s that were worse), it could have been way worse.

Example of a worse ending for ME3:

After fireing the Crucible big Letters appear on the screen saying "Simulation Completed", you then see Shepard exit a cryo pod, Anderson comes over and says "You did good son, welcome to N7".

This would have been much worse.


So just be thankful the ending was not as bad as that.

(P.S. I think the worst ending goes to "Outlaws")

In what other game or form of media does an ending undo everything established prior AND turn the narrative on its head to such a level as to change genres, the story, the atmosphere, the world and the pacing? That's almost something you have to work toward to achieve.

[ld1449]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...


Right here when you quoted this:

"Either they honestly believe that something, which is the equivalent of not playing the entire series, is better, or they're lying."

And said you're not lying when you think that's a better ending.

Now that you understand what you just quoted and said,

Seeing as though you just admited you don't care about the trilogy:

Why do you care about the end of it?

Putting your words in my mouth does not replace the meaning behind my own voice thank you very much.

YOU say that its the equivalent of not playing the entire trilogy.

Thing is, you did play through the entire trilogy, and as stated before and as shown in many Sci-fi itterations just because its a "dream" or a "simulation" does not mean that everything within would be fake. The people in there could be based off of real people, so could the system of government. In order for a "simulation" in Sci-fi, or an Illusion in fantasy to draw its captive into the dream world there must always be anchor points. People, places, common knowledge, even entire events.

So who's to say that because it was a simulation and Shepard Romanced Tali in it, he didn't actually romance her, outside of it. It opens up to an entirely new alternate reality within the context of the Mass Effect universe.

Long and short of it, the "Worse" ending, is better than what we currently have because not only does it open up to quite literally a whole new world, it also does so in a way that makes you look forward to what will be coming next.

"Damn. If that whole Reaper thing was their training simulator I wonder what they really have to face."

It does not *END* the universe of Mass Effect, which is what the ending does because for myself as well as many people we simply don't want to revisit it and arent looking forward to more. It Ends things and it does so in such a way you really don't feel the inclination to delve back in just to find more inconsistencies/stupidities.

So...no...I do not share your meaning of the word *Not caring* I care a great deal. And while mind you I am saying how this ending could actually be *better* better does not mean Good, which is what you people fail to comprehend.

Its still a stupid way to end the series but it is largely *better* than what we have. Which speaks volumes to the levels of sheer failure what we have actually is.

Almost anything would be considered "better" Even a cut to black ending when Shepard reaches the beam would be considered "better"

[MegaSovereign]

The current endings don't end the ME universe.

Whereas, the hypothetical one the OP suggested would literally invalidate every relationship and decision Shepard had made throughout the series.

[Jadebaby]

Hexley UK wrote...

Still better than the real ending to ME3.

[ld1449]

MegaSovereign wrote...

The current endings don't end the ME universe.

Whereas, the hypothetical one the OP suggested would literally invalidate every relationship and decision Shepard had made throughout the series.

Would it? What if based off of your decisions in this simulation world, it would shape the outside world of ME4?

Cerberus Sympathizer? Cerberus Hater? Based on this you can determine the Alliances stance on things in ME4, more Pro Human or more Pro cooperation.

LI you have in there, same LI you had out here.

Decisions made in ME1 and ME2 and 3 affect what missions you're sent on in ME4. If you killed the colonists on Feros based on that data alone they're not gonna send you to a hostage situation, they'll send you to a torch and burn op instead.

The posibilities are endless.

All that would be "invalidated" would be the existance of the Reapers.

Well the Reapers already went from Giant Civilization destroying monsters to "Yo dawg we just wanna save you by killing you" So not really a great loss at this point from what I'm seeing.

And yes, what we have does just "end" the universe as we know it. Control and Synthesis specifically. Destroy does not, but seeing as how Synthesis is suspected to be the favored ending within Bioware (though God only knows why) when they do make an ME4 that will most likely be the cannon ending.

And again, its concluded in such a way that leaves many people never wanting to touch the games (yes that includes 1 and 2) ever again. So yes. It did "End" it was practically torched and even after the "fix" its still barely scratching at tolerable.

People say "Oh but the EC is so much better" What the hell wouldn't have been?

[ZeCollectorDestroya]

Still a better ending.


OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH

[Cashmoney007]

Name another ending in gaming history that people got this upset about? Name another trilogy that ended this way in gaming history that fans got this upset about?

[Caihn]

The ending is not the worst thing of this game.

[Jadebaby]

Yannkee wrote...

The ending is not the worst thing of this game.

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[ld1449]

Cashmoney007 wrote...

Name another ending *period* that people got this upset about? Name another trilogy that ended this way *ever* that fans got this upset about?

Fixed that for you:P

[ld1449]

Yannkee wrote...

The ending is not the worst thing of this game.

Gotta disagree. While it does have its flaws, a good portion, if not most could be overlooked if not for ...the glowing abomination at the end of it.

[Hey]

Not terrible, by any stretch. I prefer the EC to this tho.

[Zazzerka]

magnetite wrote...

Kids today are pretty spoiled. Back when I was growing up, this was a traditional ending. You guys should be more thankful for what you do have than what you don't have. Also, you should appreciate the ending for what it is, rather than what it isn't. 

At least they don't have Mario suicide bomb Bowser, then give us desaturated, slow-motion slides of Peach set to the most excruciatingly depressing music ever.

Passive aggressiveness, yay.

Modifié par GT Zazzerka, 19 novembre 2012 - 07:39 .

[ld1449]

magnetite wrote...

Kids today are pretty spoiled. Back when I was growing up, this was a traditional ending. You guys should be more thankful for what you do have than what you don't have. Also, you should appreciate the ending for what it is, rather than what it isn't.

Maybe it's not as bad as you're making it out to be. Maybe, people skipped over half the story and missed all the hints to explain the ending. People worry too much, and in the end everything works out fine.

Soooooo...because we had mediocrity then...we should be thankful to have mediocrity now in 3d?

Brilliant argument.

Also it is that bad. Maybe you skipped over half the story and thus, can't see what's wrong with it, but many did look at the lore, and even used a bit of what you've frequently accused them of not using in various threads, their logic.

Hence why they don't like them.

Furthermore whatever hints you've "found" is most likely you splitting hairs. Its already been admitted (both by Drew and the Imbecile that took his place) that ME3 was not planned out before ME2 was finished and ME2 was not planned before ME1 was finished. So unless Casey Hudson has the gift of fortune telling or something and didn't tell anyone, the only hints you've found are the ones you've convinced yourself exist.

Furthermore its only your interpretation that things work out fine. Bully for you. Don't sit there and speak like its beyond contestation because you believe it to be true..

Modifié par ld1449, 19 novembre 2012 - 07:43 .

[Spatchmo]

Compared to the rest of the trilogy, the last 20 minutes or so of Mass Effect 3 really are that bad, in my opinion. The extended cut took it from being absolutely god awful, to just being awful. I think what is more offensive than the ending itself is the way it was handled by Mr. Hudson and co. I have a lot of respect for him just because he's been behind some really great stuff that has come out of Bioware, but he dropped the ball here.

A slightly off topic rant, the writing started going downhill with Mass Effect 2 for me. It was a tolerable shift from great writing to decent writing until those last 20 minutes in 3. Mass Effect 2 served no purpose in the series. You don't discover anything important to the overall plot of Mass Effect in 2: we fight the collectors, the reapers take a backseat. The most important plot events for the trilogy happen in DLC. A good trilogy can be plotted pretty easily, and honestly, there is no reason to deviate from it.

Part 1: Discover the threat.
Part 2: Prepare for the threat.
Part 3: Face the threat.

Mass Effect 2 was a side story. Even still, the pointless of it was less disappointing for me than those last 20 minutes. Those terrible, terrible last 20 minutes.

[Peranor]

I'm just curious. Has any one else here noticed that the ending to ME3 is really bad? I mean really really extremely bad?

I haven't thought about it before and I haven't seen the topic being discussed here on the forums before. So I thought I'd just toss the question out there for you to speculate about.

[Spatchmo]

magnetite wrote...

May I ask, why are you still here then? I mean the ending happened 8 months ago. You can go on for the next 5 years about this, but they've pretty much made their decision. The Extended Cut was their compromise. If people didn't like the ending after that, they said you should move on with your life.

The EC was made specifically for you to expand on the ending and give you a bit more closure. So these guys listened to you, made the EC (for free, mind you), and you still didn't think it was enough? Who's to say they would ever listen to this kind of input again? Sorry, you had your chance, and you blew it.

I have no idea who you're responding to or what you're even talking about. No one had a chance to blow anything except Bioware, and they did. If you want to settle for inept writing or do nothing but heap praise for mediocrity, feel free.

In the meantime, I will discuss the ending with other people on this forum who wish to discuss the ending by making threads about it.

[ld1449]

magnetite wrote...

GT Zazzerka wrote...

At least they don't have Mario suicide bomb Bowser, then give us desaturated, slow-motion slides of Peach set to the most excruciatingly depressing music ever.

Passive aggressiveness, yay.

Still, my point stands. Kids today are extremely entitled. You guys probably won't give up on this ending charade until the story becomes 100% yours, which will never happen I'm afraid.

Maybe people should try to find out what the ending is using the clues in the game. The answers are there if you're looking for them.

Also it is that bad. Maybe you skipped over half the story and thus,
can't see what's wrong with it, but many did look at the lore, and even
used a bit of what you've frequently accused them of not using in
various threads, their logic.

My complete playthrough took roughly 40 hours. Sure you can finish the game in 15, but you'll miss out on all the hints to explain the ending.

And what? You think everyone bought Mass Effect to rapidly tap the skip button just to get to the shooty parts? And you're the only one who sat and listened?

The ending sucks. And in the vanilla game only has ONE ONE piece of foreshadowing which is the most easilly missable event I can ever recall in the whole trilogy.

Even if you are indeed "right" which I very highly doubt, and there were indeed "hints" left by the hack and hudson that they were gonna rip off a game from 2000, that does not change the fact that its presentation/delivery is one of the worst, if not THE worst I've ever seen in any story telling medium. That's not even going into the moral implications, the break in story themes, messages, contradictory statements, a motivation that made absolutely no sense and mannaged to, in the span of a handful of minutes utterly destroy any standing this game may have once had in not only the gaming comunity, but the sci-fi comunity as well.

You can go look at any Sci-fi forum/website. Mass Effect 3 whenever its brought up is largely upheld as  the worst kind of shoddy storytelling whereas before it was at the very least respectable.

Furthermore if the "Clues" you're mentioning fall into IT then...damn. While IT isn't worse than the original ending or even the EC its hardly removed from delusion at this point.

Modifié par ld1449, 19 novembre 2012 - 08:01 .

[Peranor]

magnetite wrote...

May I ask, why are you still here then? I mean the ending happened 8 months ago. You can go on for the next 5 years about this, but they've pretty much made their decision. The Extended Cut was their compromise. If people didn't like the ending after that, they said you should move on with your life.

The EC was made specifically for you to expand on the ending and give you a bit more closure. So these guys listened to you, made the EC (for free, mind you), and you still didn't think it was enough? Who's to say they would ever listen to this kind of input again? Sorry, you had your chance, and you blew it.

It's funny you know. When the EC was announced and BW published the FAQ explaining what the EC would and wouldn't do many many people said that this was not what they asked for. They wanted the ending changed, not expanded upon. And then those people continued on to say that now some smug people will just take the opportunity to say "Look they gave you what you asked for, and you're still not happy. There's just no way pleasing you people"
And here you are, confirming just that.


Whether or not asking for the ending to be changed was realistic or not is irrelevant. The EC was still not what they asked for. So stop saying that that "Bioware listened to you". Because they didn't.

Modifié par anorling, 19 novembre 2012 - 09:12 .

[ld1449]

anorling wrote...


It's funny you know. When the EC was announced and BW published the FAQ explaining what the EC would and wouldn't do many many people said that this was not what they asked for. They wanted the ending changed, not expanded upon. And then those people continued on to say that now some smug people will just take to opportunity to say "Look they gave you what you asked for, and you're still not happy. There's just no way pleasing you people"
And here you are, confirming just that.


Whether or not asking for for the ending to the changed was realistic or not is irrelevant. The EC was still not what they asked for. So stop saying that that "Bioware listened to you". Because they didn't.

QFT

[BansheeOwnage]

magnetite wrote...

anorling wrote...

Whether or not asking for for the ending to the changed was realistic or not is irrelevant. The EC was still not what they asked for. So stop saying that that "Bioware listened to you". Because they didn't.

I got news for you buddy, the fans don't own the rights to the franchise. Bioware does. It's their game. You bought a license to use it "as is", similar to renting out something. I would like to refer you to the myth of ownership.Doesn't give people the right to change things. How many people here actually read the license agreement?

Some people figured out the ending with the clues in the game. Maybe you should try and do the same before asking what you're suggesting.

Mag, using the terms of use is not even an argument. Of course they own it. But they say the listen to fans, so why not show it? And many people, including me, "believe" IT but still are not satisfied because there is no closure.