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[Ajensis]

arial wrote...

Ajensis wrote...

I'm not sure I agree that it's the worst ending in gaming history, but anyway, I don't quite follow your logic: saying that it's the worst ending among the ones currently existing is different than saying that a hypothetical ending could be worse.

Just playing the not-quite-Devil's-since-I-still-dislike-the-endings advocate :-)

No, I do not think iot is the worst ending, I think it is entirely tolerable (I think the worst ending goes to an old PC game i got in the 90s).

I am just sayiong to those who act like its the worst, it could have been much much worse

You misunderstood me, I think. I was speaking from the anti-enders' point-of-view: the fact that some of them call ME3's ending the worst ending in gaming history is not incompatible with you thinking up some hypothetically worse ending, since your hypothetical ending doesn't exist. It's not part of the group of existing endings in which some people find ME3's ending to be the worst. Your logic doesn't really add up.

In essence, this is just another thread about the endings, and lo and behold: we're back to petty attacks and name-calling.

I accept that some fans liked the Mass Effect 3 endings. Now please accept that I didn't I wouldn't go to extremes and call it the worst ending in gaming history, but I do find it utterly unfitting with the series I've been playing up until that point. If you disagree, then good on you. Can we soon just let it rest?

[Ultranovae]

You know what, so what?
The last 10 minutes feel below your expectations. Any game with the tuchanka mission with Mordin dying can have any ending it wants cuz that part was awesome!
Seriously, I remember thinking " dude that was powerful, moving and awesome" like literally the game could've ended on an 8-bit TIM gretting 8-bit Shepard and the words "sorry but your catalyst is in another citadel" and then "thanks for playing screen" and then the credits roll and still playing ME3 would have been worth it.
A non conventional way of achieving peace was fine for me, my only complain really is that the reapers don't have a good motivation and Shepard's ironic epiphany that TIM might have been right was not poignant enough. Otherwise, the use of literal deus ex machina, a plot device regularly used in ancient epics, is an interesting juxtaposition in a modern space opera.

[ld1449]

By that logic This:

http://www.gophoto.i...if#.UKoCWobg9SI

Would be equal to this:

http://www.gophoto.i...pg#.UKoCWIbg9SI

The use of the fingers and horribly disproportionate face often used by children below the age of literacy is an interesting juxtaposition amidst the modern contemporary artworks.

[ld1449]

magnetite wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

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You know what...I think I rest my case with that.

It's not that I'm not listening to you, it's that I don't agree with what you are saying. You take the side of the fans, while I take the side of defending Bioware's artistic vision. They're just two different arguments.

If there was a vision to defend, I might agree. Seeing as how its a rip off though from two people who have said numerous times that its their favorite game of all time, and seeing as how the lead writer has no work outside of Bioware to his name, and most likely only got his position through favoritism because he knew hudson before they ever worked at Bioware, I'll have to just call it for what it is.

Bull****.

Modifié par ld1449, 19 novembre 2012 - 10:16 .

[Cashmoney007]

ld1449 wrote...

Cashmoney007 wrote...

Name another ending *period* that people got this upset about? Name another trilogy that ended this way *ever* that fans got this upset about?

Fixed that for you:P

haha

My questions were just fine in my post.

[Cashmoney007]

I always love how pro-enders say that anybody that still doesn't like the ending are all spoiled. Some of us didn't demand to fix anything in the game. Am I disappointed in the direction that Bioware is going? Yes, I can use Tor as a perfect example of that. But some of us don't like fetch quests when we can actually land on a planet like we could in the other games. But however I still feel about the game as a whole, I am not going to demand anything from Bioware. Some of us have high standards which makes sense considering how much we pay for a game. I still thought ME3 was a good game. But I still like one and two a lot better. There is still good constructive criticism of this game that makes a lot of sense to me. I personally always feel like destroy was still the best ending for Shepard considering the series was always about killing the Reapers. I don't even need a dlc explaining to me what the origins of the Reapers are. They are bad and must be killed. I think that answer is good enough for me. One more thing, BSN is not the only place they talk about the ending of ME3. Anytime something about ME3 is brought up, people still talk about the ending to the game.

[Ultranovae]

[quote]ld1449 wrote...

By that logic This:

http://www.gophoto.i...if#.UKoCWobg9SI

Would be equal to this:

http://www.gophoto.i...pg#.UKoCWIbg9SI

The use of the fingers and horribly disproportionate face often used by children below the age of literacy is an interesting juxtaposition amidst the modern contemporary 

never seen any van gough, Monet, or Picasso have we?

[Ultranovae]

Cashmoney007 wrote...

I always love how pro-enders say that anybody that still doesn't like the ending are all spoiled. Some of us didn't demand to fix anything in the game. Am I disappointed in the direction that Bioware is going? Yes, I can use Tor as a perfect example of that. But some of us don't like fetch quests when we can actually land on a planet like we could in the other games. But however I still feel about the game as a whole, I am not going to demand anything from Bioware. Some of us have high standards which makes sense considering how much we pay for a game. I still thought ME3 was a good game. But I still like one and two a lot better. There is still good constructive criticism of this game that makes a lot of sense to me. I personally always feel like destroy was still the best ending for Shepard considering the series was always about killing the Reapers. I don't even need a dlc explaining to me what the origins of the Reapers are. They are bad and must be killed. I think that answer is good enough for me. One more thing, BSN is not the only place they talk about the ending of ME3. Anytime something about ME3 is brought up, people still talk about the ending to the game.

 funny, I always felt like the decisions would've come down to either destroy or refuse. Out if all the endings it was actually refuse the only one that moved me, since in His darkest hour heard manages to deliver his best speech in the hole series.
Also that ending makes him and our entire cycle resemble a martyr, we die for a  freedom we may not see, but leave hope for the future when we're unable to attain such peace in our time.

[Ultranovae]

Shepard, I meant Shepard thanks auto-correct

[TheGreatDayne]

Oh man, if that was the ending, I would not bother buying any of the DLCs... and deeply regret buying the DLC for the second game... and I would not bother buying the first game, to get the whole story...
I'd rather have an End of Evangelion-like ending... And I'm still wondering what happened to the entirety of that series...

[Nerevar-as]

TheGreatDayne wrote...

Oh man, if that was the ending, I would not bother buying any of the DLCs... and deeply regret buying the DLC for the second game... and I would not bother buying the first game, to get the whole story...
I'd rather have an End of Evangelion-like ending... And I'm still wondering what happened to the entirety of that series...

The manga seems to be making a bit more of sense, so don´t lose hope yet.

[jkflipflopDAO]

magnetite wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Soooooo....Let me get this straight.

The ending doesn't make sense.

Why?

Bad Writing?

No there must be a deeper reason Why the ending doesn't make sense. It makes no sense so lets figure out why it doesn't make sense until it make sense...

This is the logic we're going with?

It makes no sense so there must be meaning?

Did you read the codex or anything? Some of the hints are in there.

Bad writing with what? The Starchild contradicting lore? Simple answer, he's lying to you and is not working in your best interest.

Anderson beating you to the console? I never saw Anderson run down the hill or TIM. Not to mention, the scene looks very surreal.

Shepard getting blown up on the Citadel, followed by waking up in a place that looks like Earth? He never left Earth. He's been there the whole time. The last 20 minutes aren't real.

OK, I've been listening to the stupid dribble from your mouth all this time.

So here's your challenge. . . if EVERYONE but YOU somehow missed the "real point" of the story and all of us plebians just can't possibly comprehend the "real" plot that was "hinted at throughout the entire game" then please explain it. What are we missing? What is the big whoop-de-doo that you're so privvy to and everyone else is missing?

Back up your assertions or STFU. 

[Archonsg]

There is no Indoctrination Theory.
There is no Puzzle Theory.
The ending we got originally was as intended.

Bioware fracked up.
It is that simple.

It took several months for the EC to be released, using mostly cut material. Those who saw leaked footage would recognize them.

The EC was PR damage control.
It did its job.
And proved that if you sugar coat crap and removed the smell, you can convince people that its no longer crap.

Modifié par Archonsg, 19 novembre 2012 - 12:31 .

[Archonsg]

Nerevar-as wrote...

TheGreatDayne wrote...

Oh man, if that was the ending, I would not bother buying any of the DLCs... and deeply regret buying the DLC for the second game... and I would not bother buying the first game, to get the whole story...
I'd rather have an End of Evangelion-like ending... And I'm still wondering what happened to the entirety of that series...

The manga seems to be making a bit more of sense, so don´t lose hope yet.

And if you watched "End of Evangelion" its the "Refusal option" of the series.
Essentially Hideaki Anno said " You don't understand my art?! Well, FU!"


ps: I actually liked and understood Evangelion's original ending. it was underwhelming given the build up, but it was an upbeat one.

Modifié par Archonsg, 19 novembre 2012 - 12:41 .

[Clayless]

ld1449 wrote...

Oh? Did I backpedal?

I seem to recall stating this:

"Better does not equal good

You do realise this has nothing to do with anything I said? I don't care if you think it's good, you said that, you're literally answering yourself there.

What we got in the original ending was so bad putrid roadkill outside of my room would have been "better"

In response to the Mad Hannar back on page 1 before you ever joined this conversation.

And as Gamestop once said "Its not the destination. Its the journey"

To you. You're happy with the destination. So of course me prefering that it never happens must mean I just dont care. Because you care.

To me, the destination sucks, so the journey is already largely invalidated.

So if you need me to spell it out for you?

With this scenario, I have nothing to really loose since the Journey is ruined for me anyway and everything to gain since chances are they wont ****up this badly again.

Just because I dont share your love of this particular journey doesn't mean I don't care about the Characters or the universe thereign. Even if events must be entirely reimagined I'll take my chances rolling the dice than be stuck with the mess you're happy with.

Clear enough for you:)

Of course you, yet again, failed to answer the question. You really have to stop answering the questions you make for yourself and instead answer the question I've asked you about 3 times now, no point going on an rambling mess about how you're going to "take your chances" and how you have "nothing to really lose". Like I'm not even sure you're aware of what you're talking about by this stage.

The fact is, saying you don't care about anything in the series (seriously, that's what it means to think that ending is better) leaves us with the question:

If you don't care about the series, why do you care about the ending?

Just give a straight answer this time, no hypotheticals on random headcannon that could have happened, or talk about rolling dice, or attempts to try and make it look like you're talking about ME3 rather than the entire series. Just a straight answer to the question you've been avoiding.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 19 novembre 2012 - 12:52 .

[KingZayd]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

Putting your words in my mouth does not replace the meaning behind my own voice thank you very much.

YOU say that its the equivalent of not playing the entire trilogy.

Thing is, you did play through the entire trilogy, and as stated before and as shown in many Sci-fi itterations just because its a "dream" or a "simulation" does not mean that everything within would be fake. The people in there could be based off of real people, so could the system of government. In order for a "simulation" in Sci-fi, or an Illusion in fantasy to draw its captive into the dream world there must always be anchor points. People, places, common knowledge, even entire events.

So who's to say that because it was a simulation and Shepard Romanced Tali in it, he didn't actually romance her, outside of it. It opens up to an entirely new alternate reality within the context of the Mass Effect universe.

Long and short of it, the "Worse" ending, is better than what we currently have because not only does it open up to quite literally a whole new world, it also does so in a way that makes you look forward to what will be coming next.

"Damn. If that whole Reaper thing was their training simulator I wonder what they really have to face."

It does not *END* the universe of Mass Effect, which is what the ending does because for myself as well as many people we simply don't want to revisit it and arent looking forward to more. It Ends things and it does so in such a way you really don't feel the inclination to delve back in just to find more inconsistencies/stupidities.

So...no...I do not share your meaning of the word *Not caring* I care a great deal. And while mind you I am saying how this ending could actually be *better* better does not mean Good, which is what you people fail to comprehend.

Its still a stupid way to end the series but it is largely *better* than what we have. Which speaks volumes to the levels of sheer failure what we have actually is.

Almost anything would be considered "better" Even a cut to black ending when Shepard reaches the beam would be considered "better"

Nice backpedaling, you even have 3 paragraphs about that ending not being good and then you start quoting your own "better".

You also failed to answer the question.

If you find that ending better, one that means that everything you did never happened, it means you didn't care about anything. You didn't care about Garus on Omega, you didn't care about whether or not Wrex survived, you didn't care about Mordin's sacrifice, you didn't care about anything because an ending that made it so all of these things never happened is considered better than an ending that never did that, according to you.

So, if you don't care about the series, why do you care about the end of it? This time don't try and dance around the issue with hypotheticals that don't actually address it.

Someone playing a game generally understands that it's not real anyway. The experience was still there and the plot still made sense. 

Preferring the alternate ending arial suggested is not the same as liking it.

One could as easily say that because you like the ending that makes the Mass Effect universe ridiculously stupid, means that you don't really care about the series and therefore are not qualified to comment.

When arial tried to create a worse ending than what we got and FAILED, that shows just how bad this ending was. I'm sure that if she tried again, they could do it. But the point is, it'd be so difficult to make a worse ending without trying.

Modifié par KingZayd, 19 novembre 2012 - 01:48 .

[Clayless]

KingZayd wrote...

Someone playing a game generally understands that it's not real anyway. The experience was still there and the plot still made sense. 

Preferring the alternate ending arial suggested is not the same as liking it.

One could as easily say that because you like the ending that makes the Mass Effect universe ridiculously stupid, means that you don't really care about the series and therefore are not qualified to comment.

When arial tried to create a worse ending than what we got and FAILED, that shows just how bad this ending was. I'm sure that if she tried again, they could do it. But the point is, it'd be so difficult to make a worse ending without trying.

Nice try but opinions on the ending isn't what I care about, which is why I'm not asking about a subjective view on whether or not he likes the current endings, nor have I said mine in this thread.

Fact is that ending does, regardless of opinion, make the entire serious pointless. That's not an opinion, I can't stress that enough. That ending that makes it so nothing in the entire series ever happened.

Saying that ending is better, an ending that makes it so everything in the entire series was pointless regardless of opinion, means he doesn't care about the series.

[KingZayd]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Someone playing a game generally understands that it's not real anyway. The experience was still there and the plot still made sense. 

Preferring the alternate ending arial suggested is not the same as liking it.

One could as easily say that because you like the ending that makes the Mass Effect universe ridiculously stupid, means that you don't really care about the series and therefore are not qualified to comment.

When arial tried to create a worse ending than what we got and FAILED, that shows just how bad this ending was. I'm sure that if she tried again, they could do it. But the point is, it'd be so difficult to make a worse ending without trying.

Nice try but opinions on the ending isn't what I care about, which is why I'm not asking about a subjective view on whether or not he likes the current endings, nor have I said mine in this thread.

Fact is that ending does, regardless of opinion, make the entire serious pointless. That's not an opinion, I can't stress that enough. That ending that makes it so nothing in the entire series ever happened.

Saying that ending is better, an ending that makes it so everything in the entire series was pointless regardless of opinion, means he doesn't care about the series.

No. Both endings make the entire series pointless. Just one ends up less silly.
Nice try.

Modifié par KingZayd, 19 novembre 2012 - 01:59 .

[Clayless]

KingZayd wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Nice try but opinions on the ending isn't what I care about, which is why I'm not asking about a subjective view on whether or not he likes the current endings, nor have I said mine in this thread.

Fact is that ending does, regardless of opinion, make the entire serious pointless. That's not an opinion, I can't stress that enough. That ending that makes it so nothing in the entire series ever happened.

Saying that ending is better, an ending that makes it so everything in the entire series was pointless regardless of opinion, means he doesn't care about the series.

No. Both endings make the entire series pointless. Just one ends up less silly.
Nice try.

As you can't tell the difference between fact and opinion, is there any point in us continuing this? Like we could have a back and forth, but not understanding the difference between fact and opinion isn't a comeback, it just means I'm still waiting for the actual comeback.

But, seeing as though that's what you considered a comeback, I don't feel like wasting my time, so we'll end it here yeah?

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 19 novembre 2012 - 02:05 .

[KingZayd]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Nice try but opinions on the ending isn't what I care about, which is why I'm not asking about a subjective view on whether or not he likes the current endings, nor have I said mine in this thread.

Fact is that ending does, regardless of opinion, make the entire serious pointless. That's not an opinion, I can't stress that enough. That ending that makes it so nothing in the entire series ever happened.

Saying that ending is better, an ending that makes it so everything in the entire series was pointless regardless of opinion, means he doesn't care about the series.

No. Both endings make the entire series pointless. Just one ends up less silly.
Nice try.

As you can't tell the difference between fact and opinion, is there any point in us continuing this? Like we could have a back and forth, but not understanding the difference between fact and opinion isn't a comeback, it just means I'm still waiting for the actual comeback.

But, seeing as though that's what you considered a comeback, I don't feel like wasting my time, so we'll end it here yeah?

You're saying that someone who finds that the ending ruins the mass effect universe and prefers (not likes) another ending that  ruins the mass effect universe clearly doesn't care about the mass effect universe.

If you can't see the flaw in your logic, then that's your problem. And yes, you shouldn't waste your time as if you still can't see it, then you'll never end up understanding much at all.

[Clayless]

Great, but it seems you didn't even read both of my posts you quoted, and still seem to think that someone thinking an ending invalidates the series is the same as an ending that actually invalidates the series. I'm not sure you (or should I say, I hope you don't) actually believe that, and I'm pretty sure you're just trying to troll, badly.

Until you understand the difference, we'll leave it here. If you want an answer as to why please read this. Reply to this post if you want, but I wont.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 19 novembre 2012 - 02:20 .

[KingZayd]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Great, but it seems you didn't even read both of my posts you quoted, and still seem to think that someone thinking an ending invalidates the series is the same as an ending that actually invalidates the series. I'm not sure you (or should I say, I hope you don't) actually believe that, and I'm pretty sure you're just trying to troll, badly.

Until you understand the difference, we'll leave it here. If you want an answer as to why please read this. Reply to this post if you want, but I wont.

His thinking the ending invalidates the series is what matters when we are discussing his thoughts on the series. Idiot.

[Ridwan]

Sion1138 wrote...

It could be full of rats.

Loled at that one Well played.