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[Dr_Extrem]

friends tell their friends, if something is going wrong.

[Yesmar]

Maxster_ wrote...


IT will never be disproved. And of course, it will never be proved.
EA is not crazy, to purposedly release game without ending. And they will not alienate their most active supporters -  ITers(=pro-enders).
And IT is not a theory, it is just a fanfiction, even worse than EAWare's ME3 story. It fixes nothing, just adds more nonsense.

IT is a theory, if it was fan fiction I'd consider throwing it in the trash.
But please state which part of it you think is fan fiction.

I use Indoctrination as an answer for the ending, perhaps headcanonning this theory as my ending.

[Maxster_]

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


IT will never be disproved. And of course, it will never be proved.
EA is not crazy, to purposedly release game without ending. And they will not alienate their most active supporters -  ITers(=pro-enders).
And IT is not a theory, it is just a fanfiction, even worse than EAWare's ME3 story. It fixes nothing, just adds more nonsense.

IT is a theory, if it was fan fiction I'd consider throwing it in the trash.
But please state which part of it you think is fan fiction.

I use Indoctrination as an answer for the ending, perhaps headcanonning this theory as my ending.

If think it is a theory, prove it.
Answer a simple question - what will disprove the IT?

[KingZayd]

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


IT will never be disproved. And of course, it will never be proved.
EA is not crazy, to purposedly release game without ending. And they will not alienate their most active supporters -  ITers(=pro-enders).
And IT is not a theory, it is just a fanfiction, even worse than EAWare's ME3 story. It fixes nothing, just adds more nonsense.

IT is a theory, if it was fan fiction I'd consider throwing it in the trash.
But please state which part of it you think is fan fiction.

I use Indoctrination as an answer for the ending, perhaps headcanonning this theory as my ending.

If think it is a theory, prove it.
Answer a simple question - what will disprove the IT?

Bioware saying IT is fanfiction would go some way towards doing so, I'd expect.

[Maxster_]

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


IT will never be disproved. And of course, it will never be proved.
EA is not crazy, to purposedly release game without ending. And they will not alienate their most active supporters -  ITers(=pro-enders).
And IT is not a theory, it is just a fanfiction, even worse than EAWare's ME3 story. It fixes nothing, just adds more nonsense.

IT is a theory, if it was fan fiction I'd consider throwing it in the trash.
But please state which part of it you think is fan fiction.

I use Indoctrination as an answer for the ending, perhaps headcanonning this theory as my ending.

If think it is a theory, prove it.
Answer a simple question - what will disprove the IT?

Bioware saying IT is fanfiction would go some way towards doing so, I'd expect.

I want straight answer from ITers.

[Yesmar]

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


IT will never be disproved. And of course, it will never be proved.
EA is not crazy, to purposedly release game without ending. And they will not alienate their most active supporters -  ITers(=pro-enders).
And IT is not a theory, it is just a fanfiction, even worse than EAWare's ME3 story. It fixes nothing, just adds more nonsense.

IT is a theory, if it was fan fiction I'd consider throwing it in the trash.
But please state which part of it you think is fan fiction.

I use Indoctrination as an answer for the ending, perhaps headcanonning this theory as my ending.

If think it is a theory, prove it.
Answer a simple question - what will disprove the IT?

You want me to prove IT is a theory? Ok

"A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something"

Modifié par Yesmar, 19 novembre 2012 - 08:52 .

[DoomsdayDevice]

Maxster_ wrote...

 It fixes nothing, just adds more nonsense.

IT:

1. Makes sense of the ending while being perfectly in line with the previously established lore.

2. Restores the Reapers to their former malicious glory.

They're not "just doing their programming, trying to solve the conflict between synthetic and organic", no they're just deceiving you in order to get you to sympathize with them.

Through the dreams and the choices, the Reapers are trying to use your guilt about people who died in your playthroughs against you.

They exploit a human weakness: the tendency to leave no one behind, and save as many others as possible, even if it means Shepard needs to scarifice him/herself for it. This is the main reason why controllers and synthesizers don't want to pick destroy: they want EDI & the Geth to live.

3. Elevates the ending of the game to an epic battle for Shepard's mind, in which the player is tested for paying
attention to the themes and the story.

4. Elevates the ending to a 4th wall breaking experience in which the player himself may actually become indoctrinated. Without taking away the player's control over Shepard, they give you the possibility to willingly align your goals with the enemy, offering you to do the things the two major indoctrinated villains strongly advocated (TIM: control - Saren: synthesis) if you so choose to believe the Reaper overlord who is trying to deceive you.

5. Leaves the possibility open for the story (and Shepard!) to continue.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 19 novembre 2012 - 08:55 .

[Maxster_]

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


IT will never be disproved. And of course, it will never be proved.
EA is not crazy, to purposedly release game without ending. And they will not alienate their most active supporters -  ITers(=pro-enders).
And IT is not a theory, it is just a fanfiction, even worse than EAWare's ME3 story. It fixes nothing, just adds more nonsense.

IT is a theory, if it was fan fiction I'd consider throwing it in the trash.
But please state which part of it you think is fan fiction.

I use Indoctrination as an answer for the ending, perhaps headcanonning this theory as my ending.

If think it is a theory, prove it.
Answer a simple question - what will disprove the IT?

You want me to prove IT is a theory? Ok

"A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something"

So, you can't answer a simple question?

[fil009]

I heart IT.

[Dr_Extrem]

the only institution who can prove or disprove it, is bioware - and they will never do either.

[Yesmar]

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


IT will never be disproved. And of course, it will never be proved.
EA is not crazy, to purposedly release game without ending. And they will not alienate their most active supporters -  ITers(=pro-enders).
And IT is not a theory, it is just a fanfiction, even worse than EAWare's ME3 story. It fixes nothing, just adds more nonsense.

IT is a theory, if it was fan fiction I'd consider throwing it in the trash.
But please state which part of it you think is fan fiction.

I use Indoctrination as an answer for the ending, perhaps headcanonning this theory as my ending.

If think it is a theory, prove it.
Answer a simple question - what will disprove the IT?

You want me to prove IT is a theory? Ok

"A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something"

So, you can't answer a simple question?

You already answered it in your post so I felt no need to say anything.
Nothing so far disproved IT, there's not much else to it than that.

[Maxster_]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

 It fixes nothing, just adds more nonsense.

IT:

1. Makes sense of the ending while being perfectly in line with the previously established lore.

2. Restores the Reapers to their former malicious glory.

They're not "just doing their programming, trying to solve the conflict between synthetic and organic", no they're just deceiving you in order to get you to sympathize with them.

Through the dreams and the choices, the Reapers are trying to use your guilt about people who died in your playthroughs against you.

They exploit a human weakness: the tendency to leave no one behind, and save as many others as possible, even if it means Shepard needs to scarifice him/herself for it. This is the main reason why controllers and synthesizers don't want to pick destroy: they want EDI & the Geth to live.

3. Elevates the ending of the game to an epic battle for Shepard's mind, in which the player is tested for paying
attention to the themes and the story.

4. Elevates the ending to a 4th wall breaking experience in which the player himself may actually become indoctrinated. Without taking away the player's control over Shepard, they give you the possibility to willingly align your goals with the enemy, offering you to do the things the two major indoctrinated villains strongly advocated (TIM: control - Saren: synthesis) if you so choose to believe the Reaper overlord who is trying to deceive you.

5. Leaves the possibility open for the story (and Shepard!) to continue.

1. ME3 breaks lore on many occasions, IT is not fixing anything. Crucible is still nonsense, as is Cerberus Empire. Characters are still assassinated. Prequels are still nullified.
2. You said, that reapers are retarded? You know, they already won, why they even bothers indoctrinating one ground soldier. And here goes nullification - why reapers waited for thousands of years of Sovereign's machinations, when they could just fly into a galaxy in 0.5-3 years?
3. And this battle is completely irrelevant, because reapers already won. IT means that game have no ending, and player supposed to believe, that reapers somehow lost already won war.
4. Nonsense.
5. Please no. I had enough crap z-movie level storytelling with ME3.

There is a lot of examples of EAWare crap writing in ME3(and ME2), why would anyone even believe their writing is actually good? Especially funny with Crucible nonsense, and Cerberus becoming Sith Empire.
Please, there is almost no evidence of good story writing in ME2 and especially ME3. And there is plenty of evidence of EAWare crap writing - ME2 "plot", lazarus, terminator, ME3 "plot", Crucible, Cerberus Empire, Earth:intro mission, citadel coup mission, priority:earth mission.

Modifié par Maxster_, 19 novembre 2012 - 09:12 .

[Maxster_]

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


IT will never be disproved. And of course, it will never be proved.
EA is not crazy, to purposedly release game without ending. And they will not alienate their most active supporters -  ITers(=pro-enders).
And IT is not a theory, it is just a fanfiction, even worse than EAWare's ME3 story. It fixes nothing, just adds more nonsense.

IT is a theory, if it was fan fiction I'd consider throwing it in the trash.
But please state which part of it you think is fan fiction.

I use Indoctrination as an answer for the ending, perhaps headcanonning this theory as my ending.

If think it is a theory, prove it.
Answer a simple question - what will disprove the IT?

You want me to prove IT is a theory? Ok

"A supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something"

So, you can't answer a simple question?

You already answered it in your post so I felt no need to say anything.
Nothing so far disproved IT, there's not much else to it than that.

Ok.
IT fails Popper criterion, therefore it is not a theory.

[Yesmar]

But of course if you really want me to say what will disprove IT, a definitive epilogue will disprove IT as a theory.
Mass effect 4 will also be capable of disproving IT.

But you already knew that.

[Yesmar]

I think I just took a s**t on "Popper criterion".

[Maxster_]

Yesmar wrote...

But of course if you really want me to say what will disprove IT, a definitive epilogue will disprove IT as a theory.
Mass effect 4 will also be capable of disproving IT.

But you already knew that.

Ok, fine.
1st already happen with EC.
2nd means that ME3 have no ending, and sold deliberately without ending.

So, IT is disproven.

[Maxster_]

Yesmar wrote...

I think I just took a s**t on "Popper criterion".

Somehow i knew in advance, that you have no idea what Popper criterion is.

[Yesmar]

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

But of course if you really want me to say what will disprove IT, a definitive epilogue will disprove IT as a theory.
Mass effect 4 will also be capable of disproving IT.

But you already knew that.

Ok, fine.
1st already happen with EC.
2nd means that ME3 have no ending, and sold deliberately without ending.

So, IT is disproven.

1) It's not definitive.
2) No the game had an ending, we all saw it.

If I remember correctly we all called it an ending and hated it, IT is a way to make sense of the ending.
Therefore ME3 had an ending.
IT doesn't mean ME3 has no ending.

[KingZayd]

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

But of course if you really want me to say what will disprove IT, a definitive epilogue will disprove IT as a theory.
Mass effect 4 will also be capable of disproving IT.

But you already knew that.

Ok, fine.
1st already happen with EC.
2nd means that ME3 have no ending, and sold deliberately without ending.

So, IT is disproven.

To be fair, there's no proof the EC epilogue is real.

If ME4 is released with a post-synthesis ending, IT will be disproven.

[Maxster_]

Yesmar wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

But of course if you really want me to say what will disprove IT, a definitive epilogue will disprove IT as a theory.
Mass effect 4 will also be capable of disproving IT.

But you already knew that.

Ok, fine.
1st already happen with EC.
2nd means that ME3 have no ending, and sold deliberately without ending.

So, IT is disproven.

1) It's not definitive.
2) No the game had an ending, we all saw it.

If I remember correctly we all called it an ending and hated it, IT is a way to make sense of the ending.
Therefore ME3 had an ending.
IT doesn't mean ME3 has no ending.

1. So, you don't like epilogue, therefore it is a false epilogue. But there is no "real" epilogue, and no "real" ending, and never will be. So, ME3 have no ending?
2. So, you are saying, that ME3 is not an ending to a Shepard's story. And that's contradicts EAWare statements.

IT is delusion, which pretends that ME3 is genius writing, completely ignoring plenty of evidence of the contrary. Like lazarus, terminator, Crucible, Cerberus Empire, and other.
ME3 have an ending, of course. But this ending unrelated to a fanfiction which IT is.

Or you are saying, that Shepard(and reapers) story just stopped.

[Maxster_]

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

But of course if you really want me to say what will disprove IT, a definitive epilogue will disprove IT as a theory.
Mass effect 4 will also be capable of disproving IT.

But you already knew that.

Ok, fine.
1st already happen with EC.
2nd means that ME3 have no ending, and sold deliberately without ending.

So, IT is disproven.

To be fair, there's no proof the EC epilogue is real.

If ME4 is released with a post-synthesis ending, IT will be disproven.

Please.
A real epilogue, to a real game must prove to someone that it is real? EAWare said there will be no post-ending dlc. Their epilogue is final, there will be no other epilogue.
So if you are saying it is false, then show me real epilogue, in-game. And there is none, and you know that.
So, EAWare deliberately released game without ending?

[KingZayd]

Maxster_ wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...

Yesmar wrote...

But of course if you really want me to say what will disprove IT, a definitive epilogue will disprove IT as a theory.
Mass effect 4 will also be capable of disproving IT.

But you already knew that.

Ok, fine.
1st already happen with EC.
2nd means that ME3 have no ending, and sold deliberately without ending.

So, IT is disproven.

To be fair, there's no proof the EC epilogue is real.

If ME4 is released with a post-synthesis ending, IT will be disproven.

Please.
A real epilogue, to a real game must prove to someone that it is real? EAWare said there will be no post-ending dlc. Their epilogue is final, there will be no other epilogue.
So if you are saying it is false, then show me real epilogue, in-game. And there is none, and you know that.
So, EAWare deliberately released game without ending?

allegedly real*

There is none. It ends on a cliffhanger.

And i don't even believe in IT. I just wish it was true.

[Applepie_Svk]

magnetite wrote...
Another video talks about the lack of closure, and a bunch of other things, including explaining the ending near the 20 minute mark. Although the way the guy says it, it makes what I was saying look extremely mild. He goes off the deep end, I'll just say it.

Click the link > watch the name of video > watch first 30 seconds of video > leaving youtube...

That guy is moron...

There is an issue, is IT real ? Fine so give me real ending DLC... but I am not going to pay for it... from logic standpoint is IT true from literal standpoint we have mess. From logic standpoint we have no ending, from literal we have mess with sprinkles...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 19 novembre 2012 - 09:51 .

[Yesmar]

Maxster_ wrote...

1. So, you don't like epilogue, therefore it is a false epilogue. But there is no "real" epilogue, and no "real" ending, and never will be. So, ME3 have no ending?
2. So, you are saying, that ME3 is not an ending to a Shepard's story. And that's contradicts EAWare statements.

IT is delusion, which pretends that ME3 is genius writing, completely ignoring plenty of evidence of the contrary. Like lazarus, terminator, Crucible, Cerberus Empire, and other.
ME3 have an ending, of course. But this ending unrelated to a fanfiction which IT is.

Or you are saying, that Shepard(and reapers) story just stopped.

1) No, there is nothing definitive about the EC.
     Nothing that disproves IT as a theory.

2) EAware also said it wouldn't be a A,B, and C ending and that there wouldn't be a Reaper off switch
     What's your point?

Plenty of evidence points to IT and IT is a logical interpretation.
There is no ending to the Reaper threat with IT.

Cerberus, Lazarus, Terminator and the Crucible don't disprove IT.

Modifié par Yesmar, 19 novembre 2012 - 09:40 .