The prothean empire spanned the whole galaxy.. dominant species and all.. i am sure more stasis pods survived. Would i be cool with it? Yes and no. Would javik's last prothean comment make me cringe? I would be haooy for him tho.
Protheans in MP
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#227
Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 02:10
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Auintus wrote...
Could you point out where the lore is broken? I've heard it before, but I never found a good example.
I can understand the argument of lore being broken in MP, but personally I think it's straw logic.
For example, you can have a team of Geth fighting Geth in Rio, since there weren't any known Geth on Earth (and the retake strike was focused on London), not to mention why Geth would fight each other, that's used for "lore is broken, lololol"
Personally, I think you should take this stuff with a grain of salt. I'm of the belief people poke holes in lore on purpose. MP is meant to be a non-canon experience of a canon event... The Reaper War is canon, the classes are canon, the factions are canon and the maps are canon but your soldiers, your battles, your combinations are not.
EDIT: Since people are gonna bring it up, Geth fighting Geth -may- be canon, if the Reapers took over Geth platforms or the former heretics chose to side with Reapers, etc.
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#228
Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 02:16
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Queen Ultima wrote...
The Reaper War is canon, the classes are canon, the factions are canon and the maps are canon but your soldiers, your battles, your combinations are not.
This, and this is what makes four Protheans enough.
#229
Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 02:25
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Queen Ultima wrote...
I can understand the argument of lore being broken in MP, but personally I think it's straw logic.
For example, you can have a team of Geth fighting Geth in Rio, since there weren't any known Geth on Earth (and the retake strike was focused on London), not to mention why Geth would fight each other, that's used for "lore is broken, lololol"
Personally, I think you should take this stuff with a grain of salt. I'm of the belief people poke holes in lore on purpose. MP is meant to be a non-canon experience of a canon event... The Reaper War is canon, the classes are canon, the factions are canon and the maps are canon but your soldiers, your battles, your combinations are not.
EDIT: Since people are gonna bring it up, Geth fighting Geth -may- be canon, if the Reapers took over Geth platforms or the former heretics chose to side with Reapers, etc.
There was deleted voice recordings of Geth reporting to Shepard where you are allowed to call everyone. They say they are working well with the Quarians, I think. So they were there.
Also, I think the after-action report claims that there are still pockets of Geth that are Reaper-loyal. So geth vs. geth is okay.
Also, the retake strike, if unsupported, would result in all reaper forces flooding London. I think there were other attacks elsewhere.
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Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 02:26
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DJ Airsurfer wrote...
This, and this is what makes four Protheans enough.
True, I suppose, but my reasoning for having more than 4 goes from the cloning route, and the fact that MP seems to be based on the people who had a major impact on the war. And, also, if they wanted to add in more Prothean classes, they'd have leeway to do so. However, if they go the stasis pod route, 4 would be "enough".
#231
Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 02:29
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Auintus wrote...
There was deleted voice recordings of Geth reporting to Shepard where you are allowed to call everyone. They say they are working well with the Quarians, I think. So they were there.
Also, I think the after-action report claims that there are still pockets of Geth that are Reaper-loyal. So geth vs. geth is okay.
Also, the retake strike, if unsupported, would result in all reaper forces flooding London. I think there were other attacks elsewhere.
By Earth I meant during the occupation, before the assault on Earth. And I can understand the idea behind the support, for a distraction, but that was the idea behind Sword (offensive space action) but I digress, it's a bit offtopic
#232
Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 02:30
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DJ Airsurfer wrote...
Queen Ultima wrote...
The Reaper War is canon, the classes are canon, the factions are canon and the maps are canon but your soldiers, your battles, your combinations are not.
This, and this is what makes four Protheans enough.
How? Finding more stasis pods would be a major SP lore-breaker.
Just because a geth, two quarians and a Krogan never faced down Cerberus on Thessia doesn't mean that it isn't a realistic scenario.
Every match is something that could have happened within SP lore. Every class is based on someone that would realistically be in the war. Protheans don't fit the bill.
#233
Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 02:32
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Auintus wrote...
DJ Airsurfer wrote...
Queen Ultima wrote...
The Reaper War is canon, the classes are canon, the factions are canon and the maps are canon but your soldiers, your battles, your combinations are not.
This, and this is what makes four Protheans enough.
How? Finding more stasis pods would be a major SP lore-breaker.
Just because a geth, two quarians and a Krogan never faced down Cerberus on Thessia doesn't mean that it isn't a realistic scenario.
Every match is something that could have happened within SP lore. Every class is based on someone that would realistically be in the war. Protheans don't fit the bill.
Just do what I did and leave the thread. DJ refuses to listen to logic.
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Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 02:42
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DullahansXMark wrote...
Just do what I did and leave the thread. DJ refuses to listen to logic.
There are a million individuals like that. I am well aware that I will not change any of their minds.
The "discussion" is entertaining, however. So I do it anyway.
#236
Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 02:55
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Auintus wrote...
DullahansXMark wrote...
Just do what I did and leave the thread. DJ refuses to listen to logic.
There are a million individuals like that. I am well aware that I will not change any of their minds.
The "discussion" is entertaining, however. So I do it anyway.
In that case, keep going until it grows boring, like I did
#237
Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 04:21
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Auintus wrote...
How? Finding more stasis pods would be a major SP lore-breaker.
Just because a geth, two quarians and a Krogan never faced down Cerberus on Thessia doesn't mean that it isn't a realistic scenario.
Ah, but you see, this isn't SP. It's multiplayer.
EDIT: Besides, how does more stasis pods break lore? Oh right, sorry, I didn't know Protheans occupied just one planet.
Auintus wrote...
Every match is something that could have happened within SP lore. Every class is based on someone that would realistically be in the war. Protheans don't fit the bill.
Yeah, sure. I betcha four (exactly identical) N7 Shadows were on Sur'Kesh fighting Collectors.
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#238
Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 04:24
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I'd be fine with it as long as they have green biotics.
#239
Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 04:26
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kirahhe mentioned that other races could be made to look like protheans via genetic manipulation and surgery.
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Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 04:27
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Frosty10001 wrote...
I'd be fine with it as long as they have green biotics.
YES.
#241
Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 05:52
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DJ Airsurfer wrote...
Auintus wrote...
How? Finding more stasis pods would be a major SP lore-breaker.
Just because a geth, two quarians and a Krogan never faced down Cerberus on Thessia doesn't mean that it isn't a realistic scenario.
Ah, but you see, this isn't SP. It's multiplayer.
EDIT: Besides, how does more stasis pods break lore? Oh right, sorry, I didn't know Protheans occupied just one planet.
Multiplayer still adheres to SP lore to a significant extent.
Did you forget the bit about how basically every species owns spacetravel to Prothean tech? Everyone tries to find their artifacts to get a leg up. The odds of both the Reapers and the modern species missing another cache of stasis pods that suffered the same malfunction that prevents automatic reactivation is virtually nil.
Auintus wrote...
Every match is something that could have happened within SP lore. Every class is based on someone that would realistically be in the war. Protheans don't fit the bill.
Yeah, sure. I betcha four (exactly identical) N7 Shadows were on Sur'Kesh fighting Collectors.
Called a uniform kiddo. Everyone looks the same.
Beyond that, it's just limitations in mechanics.
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#242
Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 06:29
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You could argue with OP til you're blue in the face. You won't get anywhere. OP has no good argument and won't take anyone else's into account. Just stop replying.
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Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 06:32
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oO Stryfe Oo wrote...
You could argue with OP til you're blue in the face. You won't get anywhere. OP has no good argument and won't take anyone else's into account. Just stop replying.
"protean impossibru omg op is dumb"
#244
Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 07:23
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>"op has no good argument"
>can't give a good argument to why Protheans shouldn't be in MP himself
Yeah, nice try pal.
>can't give a good argument to why Protheans shouldn't be in MP himself
Yeah, nice try pal.
#245
Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 11:20
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Auintus wrote...
CommanderPepsi wrote...
Plus the multiplayer has already broken the lore in different ways so who cares. When I play it I want to have fun and use characters that are interesting/good, I don't really care about how it does or doesn't fit the lore.
Could you point out where the lore is broken? I've heard it before, but I never found a good example.
Well there are some problems right from the beginning, firstly we have no clue at what times these battles in MP are fought, the only clue is we know is that it happens in any point in the SP so for example, you could potentially fight geth after their alliance or initial death. Or you can go to Platinum difficulty where every faction appears at the same time to kill just you, that is not lore friendly. Then there is the case that they now added collectors and I´m not 100% sure but didn´t they all die in the end of ME 2 or are there other ships of collectors out there.
Anyways thank you for defending me Auintus. It really went out of control for me at the night.
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Posté 19 novembre 2012 - 05:51
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[quote]Beta Commando wrote...
[quote]Auintus wrote...
[quote]CommanderPepsi wrote...
Plus the multiplayer has already broken the lore in different ways so who cares. When I play it I want to have fun and use characters that are interesting/good, I don't really care about how it does or doesn't fit the lore.[/quote]
Could you point out where the lore is broken? I've heard it before, but I never found a good example.[/quote]
Well there are some problems right from the beginning, firstly we have no clue at what times these battles in MP are fought, the only clue is we know is that it happens in any point in the SP so for example, you could potentially fight geth after their alliance or initial death. Or you can go to Platinum difficulty where every faction appears at the same time to kill just you, that is not lore friendly. Then there is the case that they now added collectors and I´m not 100% sure but didn´t they all die in the end of ME 2 or are there other ships of collectors out there.[/quote]
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Most of it is lack of information. I stated that all of these conflicts could have happened at some point. Every single match probably didn't happen, but any of them could have at some point in SP. Also, note that most factions serve the Reapers in one form or another.(I think Cerberus implants could be hijacked by the Reapers) So cooperation is not out of the question. And the Collector's main base was destroyed, not every vessel. The trailer showed a collector cruiser, one that I assume wasn't at the base.
[quote]Anyways thank you for defending me Auintus. It really went out of control for me at the night.[/quote]
Anytime. That's what I'm here for.
[quote]Auintus wrote...
[quote]CommanderPepsi wrote...
Plus the multiplayer has already broken the lore in different ways so who cares. When I play it I want to have fun and use characters that are interesting/good, I don't really care about how it does or doesn't fit the lore.[/quote]
Could you point out where the lore is broken? I've heard it before, but I never found a good example.[/quote]
Well there are some problems right from the beginning, firstly we have no clue at what times these battles in MP are fought, the only clue is we know is that it happens in any point in the SP so for example, you could potentially fight geth after their alliance or initial death. Or you can go to Platinum difficulty where every faction appears at the same time to kill just you, that is not lore friendly. Then there is the case that they now added collectors and I´m not 100% sure but didn´t they all die in the end of ME 2 or are there other ships of collectors out there.[/quote]
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Most of it is lack of information. I stated that all of these conflicts could have happened at some point. Every single match probably didn't happen, but any of them could have at some point in SP. Also, note that most factions serve the Reapers in one form or another.(I think Cerberus implants could be hijacked by the Reapers) So cooperation is not out of the question. And the Collector's main base was destroyed, not every vessel. The trailer showed a collector cruiser, one that I assume wasn't at the base.
[quote]Anyways thank you for defending me Auintus. It really went out of control for me at the night.[/quote]
Anytime. That's what I'm here for.
#247
Posté 20 novembre 2012 - 12:49
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DJ Airsurfer wrote...
>"op has no good argument"
>can't give a good argument to why Protheans shouldn't be in MP himself
Yeah, nice try pal.
And yet my perfectly reasonable arguement goes ignored...
#248
Posté 20 novembre 2012 - 12:54
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I give my opinion
You can Play Prothean in Mp, but you cannot fight the other 4 factions. Instead Prothean get ancient collector and you only play with prothean weapon and collectors?
how about that
besides if you want to play Prothean in present you will not see them as Prothean, but Cloned Exemplar (Prothean)
but as long as BW made the DLC about that then we can agree, if not, well, not gonna happened
You can Play Prothean in Mp, but you cannot fight the other 4 factions. Instead Prothean get ancient collector and you only play with prothean weapon and collectors?
how about that
besides if you want to play Prothean in present you will not see them as Prothean, but Cloned Exemplar (Prothean)
but as long as BW made the DLC about that then we can agree, if not, well, not gonna happened
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#249
Posté 20 novembre 2012 - 01:01
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like story/lore matters with the multiplayer. It has no impact on the gameplay in single player.
#250
Posté 20 novembre 2012 - 01:46
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4ut0b4hn5child27 wrote...
You can Play Prothean in Mp, but you cannot fight the other 4 factions. Instead Prothean get ancient collector and you only play with prothean weapon and collectors?
besides if you want to play Prothean in present you will not see them as Prothean, but Cloned Exemplar (Prothean)
but as long as BW made the DLC about that then we can agree, if not, well, not gonna happened
That kinda defeats the purpose of Protheans in MP, besides, I hate playing against the Collectors simply because they are broken to all hell.
If they added a gamemode with ancient maps, and you could play Protheans in both, that would be something awesome. Also, I dunno why, but I envision those maps to have some sepia-ish tone to them.
