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[Woodstock504]

 I don't think we need protheans.  I think they'd put a monkey wrench in the plot.
This one wouldn't mind using Hanar though...

[DJ Airsurfer]

Auintus wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

>"op has no good argument"
>can't give a good argument to why Protheans shouldn't be in MP himself

Yeah, nice try pal.

And yet my perfectly reasonable arguement goes ignored...

It wasn't directed at you, but sure;

If you wanna argue that any of the matches in MP could have happened in the story-canon, how does that make the notion that some Protheans could have survived in stasis a lore-breaker? If you ask me, the former is more lore-breaking and farfetched than the latter.

Woodstock504 wrote...
 I don't think we need protheans.  I think they'd put a monkey wrench in the plot.
This one wouldn't mind using Hanar though...

1. And Hanar wouldn't?
2. Sorry to burst your bubble, but I'm pretty sure biower devs have said that Elcor nor Hanar will be added to MP. Don't quote me on that though. 

Modifié par DJ Airsurfer, 20 novembre 2012 - 01:52 .

[oO Stryfe Oo]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Queen Ultima wrote...
The Reaper War is canon, the classes are canon, the factions are canon and the maps are canon but your soldiers, your battles, your combinations are not. 

This, and this is what makes four Protheans enough.

No, it's not. For a few reasons actually:

1. Having only four Protheans that aren't clones would instantly make them important to the story. The knowledge they could have of the Reapers, the technology they could create, etc. They wouldn't just pop out of their stasis pods and go straight to the front lines. They'd most likely be working on the Crucible, or on the Normandy with Shepard. Anything but sending some of the most valuable individuals in the galaxy to fight on the front lines.

2. What would you do if one was female? Let's say four players all choose the one Prothean female in the galaxy. How would you explain her clones? You'd need at least 8 (excluding Javik); four from each gender. Even if they were all male, how would you explain it if one of them looked different than the other and all four players choose him?

3. Literally every other kit we play comes from a group/faction/race whose numbers are large and completely unknown. There's a reason for this. Here I'll repost what I wrote earlier

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

Allow me to further explain what I meant by my comment: MP is supposed to be representative of what's happening in the Reaper War while Shep's doing his/her thing. For there to be Protheans in MP, they'd need an army to represent them. If they brought back two more Protheans and for some reason allowed them to be a playable kit in MP, how would you explain those same two Protheans being used simulataneously in different matches on different maps? How would you explain two of each Prothean in the same match? It'd be impossible without a great number of them available, which is part of the reason why we don't have characters like Jack or Samarra available as playable kits. We use faceless characters unimportant from SP from races/groups of large populations to avoid the above scenario.

Also, about this comment of yours below about me

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

>"op has no good argument"
>can't give a good argument to why Protheans shouldn't be in MP himself

Yeah, nice try pal.

Easily remedied...by both I and almost everyone else in this thread who doesn't think Protheans in MP are a good idea. I'll post an example.

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

A lot of arguments were used against the inclusion of the Volus:

- Not known for their combat ability. Known for being explosive when shot, instead.
- Ridiculousness. Think of that Biotic God meme, Volus stature/animations, etc.
- More work could've been put into other Retaliation characters instead

I'm sure there are at least a few other problems people had with them being included, but there's a huge difference between Protheans and Volus. Protheans are extinct, Volus are not. Adding more Protheans would:

-Trivialize Javik's character/story
-Make Reapers seem incompetent. The fate of the Protheans serves as an example of what could happen should Shepard fail. If there's even a slim chance for a few hundred thousand to survive the Harvest, the Reapers will no longer be the threat they are.
-Add almost nothing to the story, unless they survived in such a way that their memories were intact.

Again, I'm sure there are other valid reasons. I'd like to see someone come up with a list as to why they should be included, though. They only difference between a Prothean MP character and a new Adept with the same powers would be the Voice and Character model. Is there really this much butthurt over the novelty of playing as a Prothean? Why not campaign for better quality characters for the future instead (new powers/appearances for all)?

As I said at bottom of that earlier,  there are other valid arguments against their inclusion. Read your own thread and you'll see a few yourself. Search the forum if this doesn't quite do it for you. Hell, come up with a better argument and I'll take you seriously. Here's another interesting tidbit:

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

The reason for me wanting Protheans in MP is because I'm a Javik fanboy, which in turn makes me a Prothean fanboy.

Ironic, right? Please tell me you have another reason for Prothean inclusion into MP. And stop making these damned threads if you plan on dismissing everyone who isn't on your side.

[DJ Airsurfer]

I'd stop dismissing people who weren't on my side if they could actually bring forth decent arguments. None of which I have seen from you. More Protheans would not trivialize Javik's story, and if they would, I'd love for you to give me a valid reason as to why. "Protheans are extinct" <- Proof on how you keep pulling things out of your ass. Even if Javik was the last one, they wouldn't be extinct until he was dead.

How does two-four Protheans in the same game = thousands of Protheans? 2-4 Protheans are just that, two to four Protheans. It's not that hard to count.

"MP is supposed to be representative of what's happening in the Reaper War while Shep's doing his/her thing." No, and the fact that you try to argue that everything about MP is 100% canon is laughable at best. Multiplayer is not for the story, if you want story, play the SP. Multiplayer is for FUN containing story elements.

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"Easily remedied...by both I and almost everyone else in this thread who doesn't think Protheans in MP are a good idea." That's your best argument as to why Protheans shouldn't be in multiplayer? That you don't think they should? Wow.

Leviathans survived all this time, I'm sure that's proof enough of the Reapers' flaws, including the message being left behind from the Refuse Ending. Multiplayer isn't, I repeat, is NOT for the story. If you believe that, well, yeah.

"Ironic, right? Please tell me you have another reason for Prothean inclusion into MP. And stop making these damned threads if you plan on dismissing everyone who isn't on your side."

Oh, sure, bring in a quote that is god knows how old. I don't need to give reasons for Protheans in multiplayer since you can't bring any valid reasons to why they shouldn't. But I'll give a few anyway.

>Multiplayer isn't about the story.
>Protheans in MP would be fun as hell, which is what MP is about.
>If you don't like Protheans in MP, don't play them.
>Four Protheans are all that's needed since only four can be in a game at the same time.
>Javik's colony wasn't the only planet inhabited by Protheans, and probably not the only one with stasis technology.

I could go on and on and on with this. There are people who really want Protheans and keep bringing it up, like me. Few, but we are here. There are people who really don't want Protheans, and keep whining in the threads Pro-theans make, but still probably would play them anyway because they are a bunch of hypocrites, also few but they're the loud minority alongside Pro-theans. 

And then there's the majority, people who'd like Protheans in MP, people who don't care, and people who'd rather not but aren't against the idea.

Now, seeing as BioWare would gain more than they would lose doing this. (As shown by my statement above.) You whining about not having Protheans is essentially pointless since BioWare call the shots. The same could be said about Pro-theans, but as I said, BioWare would gain more than they'd lose with adding Protheans to MP, so there's no reason for them to not do it.

tl;dr: Bioware call the shots and there's no reason for them to not add Protheans to MP.

Modifié par DJ Airsurfer, 20 novembre 2012 - 11:30 .

[Liamv2]

Woodstock504 wrote...

 I don't think we need protheans.  I think they'd put a monkey wrench in the plot.
This one wouldn't mind using Hanar though...

[BalisticCarnage]

 more characters the better! Wouldnt mind a few new guns as well. 
This is a great idea.
 /signed.

[DJ Airsurfer]

BalisticCarnage wrote...

 more characters the better! Wouldnt mind a few new guns as well. 
This is a great idea.
 /signed.

Exactly! New Prothean-exclusive abilites/passives, other Prothean weapons. The possibilities are endless, assuming you don't have your head up your arse, since that's pretty much the opposite of endless.

[BalisticCarnage]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

BalisticCarnage wrote...

 more characters the better! Wouldnt mind a few new guns as well. 
This is a great idea.
 /signed.

Exactly! New Prothean-exclusive abilites/passives, other Prothean weapons. The possibilities are endless, assuming you don't have your head up your arse, since that's pretty much the opposite of endless.

Ya it amazes me how some people wna constrict the multiplayer, it just makes no sense. But then some people want the acolyte nerfed so I try not to take the haters too seriously. some people are just idiots.

[FeralJester616]

Draining Dragon wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Besides, you can't always please everyone.

Yeah, and there's no reason to please the people who want Protheans.

Indeed...

Javik is the last Prothian...

Deal with it...

Besides, BioWare have already said that they're not making anymore DLC for the MP...
Take the hint, it ain't happening...<_<

[P_sutherland]

Badassfully: Dont forget about us!

[Happy Shepard]

How about..Salarians?

I get it. You want Protheans. I'd want them, too. But asking for it is one thing, trying to explain why it is absolutely necessary to create Protheans characters for MP because "game needs moar new stuff" is only showing that you're selfish and ignorant by not taking the countless arguments against this idea into account and admitting that it is just something you'd love to have and not something that is logical and needs to be done.

[Barge6000]

In!

[DesioPL]

I don't think, is possible to add Protheans to MP. Why ?

Lore reasons like, Javik is only living Prothean in current times in ME3.

Very likely is possible, to get Hanar or Elcor to MP, or new combinations for Salarians, Quarian Females, Turians Females, Krogan Females.

[SOG TOUGH]

Javik: "I am the last of my people."

/thread.

[DJ Airsurfer]

FeralJester616 wrote...
Besides, BioWare have already said that they're not making anymore DLC for the MP...

Could you pull your head out of your ass instead of these continous false statements?

SOG TOUGH wrote...

Javik: "I am the last of my people."

/thread.

And that proves what? That Javik believes he's the last of his people? (Keyword; believes)

Modifié par DJ Airsurfer, 20 novembre 2012 - 01:15 .

[DJ Airsurfer]

Happy Shepard wrote...
How about..Salarians?

I get it. You want Protheans. I'd want them, too. But asking for it is one thing, trying to explain why it is absolutely necessary to create Protheans characters for MP because "game needs moar new stuff" is only showing that you're selfish and ignorant by not taking the countless arguments against this idea into account and admitting that it is just something you'd love to have and not something that is logical and needs to be done.

We could always use more characters, especially those of which there are few, and even more of those which there are none. 

[P_sutherland]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Happy Shepard wrote...
How about..Salarians?

I get it. You want Protheans. I'd want them, too. But asking for it is one thing, trying to explain why it is absolutely necessary to create Protheans characters for MP because "game needs moar new stuff" is only showing that you're selfish and ignorant by not taking the countless arguments against this idea into account and admitting that it is just something you'd love to have and not something that is logical and needs to be done.

We could always use more characters, especially those of which there are few, and even more of those which there are none. 

What we need... is Urz!

[DJ Airsurfer]

P_sutherland wrote...
What we need... is Urz!

But you need more. Everyone needs more something, and they all come to me.

[P_sutherland]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

P_sutherland wrote...
What we need... is Urz!

But you need more. Everyone needs more something, and they all come to me.

well then... how about someone wearing that pink/white me1 style armour ? 

[DJ Airsurfer]

P_sutherland wrote...
well then... how about someone wearing that pink/white me1 style armour ? 

I wouldn't know about that though. :I

Oh, I almost forgot..

[Liamv2]

[ThatGuyThatPlaysThisGame]

DullahansXMark wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

And how would it ruin Javik's story? Oh right, it wouldn't.

Oh ho, let me explain.

I'm gonna go through this in steps here:

1) Salarians or whomever either clone Javik into Prothean forces, or find more Protheans in stasis. One way or another, more Protheans.
2) Holy ****, Protheans! You know, those things that people all over the galaxy worship?! They're alive! They're right here! We have to tell everyone!!
3) ??????
4) Javik constantly moans about "Ooh, I'm the last of my kind, you primitive ****."

You mind inserting something into 3 for me? Because I can't think of anything, because nothing CAN be inserted there to bridge the gap between 2 and 4. It's impossible, unless Shepard (OFF-SCREEN, even though we're supposed to BE Shepard) found out, but decided to not tell Javik because he thought it would be funny.

Best part is multiplayer has broken lore and resown it through BioWare lore edits it isn't even funny. It would not ruine Javik considering Shepard's team wouldn't know about it until the war is over and even then they might not know until post game which we won't see till well if ME4 is a sequal and not a prequal. 

[DJ Airsurfer]

Liamv2 wrote...

I'm not trolling though, I do want Protheans in MP, I just find it amusing that so many people get their panties in a bunch just by reading Prothean and MP in the same sentence.

[P_sutherland]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Liamv2 wrote...

I'm not trolling though, I do want Protheans in MP, I just find it amusing that so many people get their panties in a bunch just by reading Prothean and MP in the same sentence.

well I got the same with Rachni and MP now.

[DJ Airsurfer]

P_sutherland wrote...
well I got the same with Rachni and MP now.

That's what we get for thinking outside the box.