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[DullahansXMark]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Agreed... to an extent. I also welcome Leviathan controlled Collector thralls. 

In contrast to Protheans, Collector thralls are 100% lore justified thanks to Leviathan dlc. There is zero arguement about this. 

I would welcome them as an alternative... However I will continue to entertain the possibility of Protheans as they can work.

Word. I just hope they also include Marauder thralls in that mix should it come to pass, as that's something I've always wanted since Leviathan came to pass.

I will admit though, it'd be creepy as hell fighting along the zombified husk of a fallen friend.

I'm sure humans felt very uneasy with backs against a Geth/Batarian.  Mootless point.


I'm not too keen on Maruader's, but I can accept them. 


Collectors on the other hand will only be a problem if there are already playable Protheans...


I have a feeling it will be one or the other. Until one is announced, I will fight for both nonetheless.

[corporal doody]

Thralls? mindless drones? Play as? HAHAHAHA.....only if it was an RTS.

and only way im cool with playing as a collector is if i can kill me some humans!!!

no..no no no no no. and protheans be like all extinct an junk.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

painforest wrote...

I do not feel like there is any "lore-friendly" way to introduce Protheans into MP. All I see are a bunch of retcons and logical fallacies. I don't even understand why people would want Protheans in the first place, tbh. There are already so many characters to choose from, many different playstyles, powers and builds to explore. And probably more on the way, ones that don't violate existing lore. There's nothing lacking in MP by excluding Protheans. Except an unimpressive character model. Javik doesn't even have a tight ass.

Then you have not read the entirety of my threas's OP? 

http://social.biowar.../index/13665128

Because I'm sick and tird of multiple copies of the same race over and over again. Because I like the lore behind Protheans. Because I can find a way to role-play, in a role-playing game - as my favorite alien. Becuase they don't have to break lore. 

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

DullahansXMark wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

Agreed... to an extent. I also welcome Leviathan controlled Collector thralls. 

In contrast to Protheans, Collector thralls are 100% lore justified thanks to Leviathan dlc. There is zero arguement about this. 

I would welcome them as an alternative... However I will continue to entertain the possibility of Protheans as they can work.

Word. I just hope they also include Marauder thralls in that mix should it come to pass, as that's something I've always wanted since Leviathan came to pass.

I will admit though, it'd be creepy as hell fighting along the zombified husk of a fallen friend.

I'm sure humans felt very uneasy with backs against a Geth/Batarian.  Mootless point.


I'm not too keen on Maruader's, but I can accept them. 


Collectors on the other hand will only be a problem if there are already playable Protheans...


I have a feeling it will be one or the other. Until one is announced, I will fight for both nonetheless.

That moment is priceless...


Yeah, pretty much. 

[painforest]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

painforest wrote...

I do not feel like there is any "lore-friendly" way to introduce Protheans into MP. All I see are a bunch of retcons and logical fallacies. I don't even understand why people would want Protheans in the first place, tbh. There are already so many characters to choose from, many different playstyles, powers and builds to explore. And probably more on the way, ones that don't violate existing lore. There's nothing lacking in MP by excluding Protheans. Except an unimpressive character model. Javik doesn't even have a tight ass.

Then you have not read the entirety of my threas's OP? 

http://social.biowar.../index/13665128

Because I'm sick and tird of multiple copies of the same race over and over again. Because I like the lore behind Protheans. Because I can find a way to role-play, in a role-playing game - as my favorite alien. Becuase they don't have to break lore. 

The truth comes out.

[Saints]

corporal doody wrote...

Thralls? mindless drones? Play as? HAHAHAHA.....only if it was an RTS.

and only way im cool with playing as a collector is if i can kill me some humans!!!

no..no no no no no. and protheans be like all extinct an junk.

Being CONTROLLED by the Leviathans.

[corporal doody]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

painforest wrote...

I do not feel like there is any "lore-friendly" way to introduce Protheans into MP. All I see are a bunch of retcons and logical fallacies. I don't even understand why people would want Protheans in the first place, tbh. There are already so many characters to choose from, many different playstyles, powers and builds to explore. And probably more on the way, ones that don't violate existing lore. There's nothing lacking in MP by excluding Protheans. Except an unimpressive character model. Javik doesn't even have a tight ass.

Then you have not read the entirety of my threas's OP? 

http://social.biowar.../index/13665128

Because I'm sick and tird of multiple copies of the same race over and over again. Because I like the lore behind Protheans. Because I can find a way to role-play, in a role-playing game - as my favorite alien. Becuase they don't have to break lore. 

If...and BIG BIG BIG BIG if protheans were to be added to MP...they would be different skins of stuff that already exist...BUT NOW WITH GREEN BIOTICS.

BW makes lore...ATM since they dont exist...a bunch of protheans would break lore like a mofo.

you=/=everything.


im just sayin'

[doozerdude]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...


Because I'm sick and tird of multiple copies of the same race over and over again. Because I like the lore behind Protheans. Because I can find a way to role-play, in a role-playing game - as my favorite alien. Becuase they don't have to break lore. 

I gotta admit you have a point there, I'm really sick of humans too they can be really f***ing retarded.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

corporal doody wrote...

Thralls? mindless drones? Play as? HAHAHAHA.....only if it was an RTS.

and only way im cool with playing as a collector is if i can kill me some humans!!!

no..no no no no no. and protheans be like all extinct an junk.

Surprising isn't it? I(and many other apparently) have a creative enough mind to role-play a mindless slave race... that also happen to exhibit a hivemind intelligence on par with the Geth. 


Yeah, "mindless". There are not completely mindless. If you insist they are, then role-play  as the Leviathans controlling them. 

Point being: I can make them work for my role-play, so can others.

[corporal doody]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Thralls? mindless drones? Play as? HAHAHAHA.....only if it was an RTS.

and only way im cool with playing as a collector is if i can kill me some humans!!!

no..no no no no no. and protheans be like all extinct an junk.

Surprising isn't it? I(and many other apparently) have a creative enough mind to role-play a mindless slave race... that also happen to exhibit a hivemind intelligence on par with the Geth. 


Yeah, "mindless". There are not completely mindless. If you insist they are, then role-play  as the Leviathans controlling them. 

Point being: I can make them work for my role-play, so can others.

I see.  So it IS all about you.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

painforest wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

painforest wrote...

I do not feel like there is any "lore-friendly" way to introduce Protheans into MP. All I see are a bunch of retcons and logical fallacies. I don't even understand why people would want Protheans in the first place, tbh. There are already so many characters to choose from, many different playstyles, powers and builds to explore. And probably more on the way, ones that don't violate existing lore. There's nothing lacking in MP by excluding Protheans. Except an unimpressive character model. Javik doesn't even have a tight ass.

Then you have not read the entirety of my threas's OP? 

http://social.biowar.../index/13665128

Because I'm sick and tird of multiple copies of the same race over and over again. Because I like the lore behind Protheans. Because I can find a way to role-play, in a role-playing game - as my favorite alien. Becuase they don't have to break lore. 

The truth comes out.

Which is?

[painforest]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

painforest wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

painforest wrote...

I do not feel like there is any "lore-friendly" way to introduce Protheans into MP. All I see are a bunch of retcons and logical fallacies. I don't even understand why people would want Protheans in the first place, tbh. There are already so many characters to choose from, many different playstyles, powers and builds to explore. And probably more on the way, ones that don't violate existing lore. There's nothing lacking in MP by excluding Protheans. Except an unimpressive character model. Javik doesn't even have a tight ass.

Then you have not read the entirety of my threas's OP? 

http://social.biowar.../index/13665128

Because I'm sick and tird of multiple copies of the same race over and over again. Because I like the lore behind Protheans. Because I can find a way to role-play, in a role-playing game - as my favorite alien. Becuase they don't have to break lore. 

The truth comes out.

Which is?

You want to dance to slow jams with Javik.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

corporal doody wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

painforest wrote...

I do not feel like there is any "lore-friendly" way to introduce Protheans into MP. All I see are a bunch of retcons and logical fallacies. I don't even understand why people would want Protheans in the first place, tbh. There are already so many characters to choose from, many different playstyles, powers and builds to explore. And probably more on the way, ones that don't violate existing lore. There's nothing lacking in MP by excluding Protheans. Except an unimpressive character model. Javik doesn't even have a tight ass.

Then you have not read the entirety of my threas's OP? 

http://social.biowar.../index/13665128

Because I'm sick and tird of multiple copies of the same race over and over again. Because I like the lore behind Protheans. Because I can find a way to role-play, in a role-playing game - as my favorite alien. Becuase they don't have to break lore. 

If...and BIG BIG BIG BIG if protheans were to be added to MP...they would be different skins of stuff that already exist...BUT NOW WITH GREEN BIOTICS.

BW makes lore...ATM since they dont exist...a bunch of protheans would break lore like a mofo.

you=/=everything.


im just sayin'

And neither does you=/=everything.


Difference being, I never proclaimed any selfish desire as I acknowledge everyone's concern, both for and against.


It's also why I bothered making a thread accumulating all possible lore friendly scenarios.

[khannoir]

BloodClaw95 wrote...

jaydubs67 wrote...

No more protheans without a single-player DLC. That is all.

Second... I have said in many threads, on many occasions...

I'm no Lore (see capital L, that means its importnat) purist by any sense of the imagination, but I would like to see some kind of explination (Secret archive of Protheans, Clones, rescued breeding stock from a Reaper, Deepspace reserch vessl returning from voidspace, time traveling Protheans in a Blue Police Box, whatever) in SP before I can embrace it in MP. Give me that explination and I'm all in, but until then...yea, no.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

painforest wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

painforest wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

painforest wrote...

I do not feel like there is any "lore-friendly" way to introduce Protheans into MP. All I see are a bunch of retcons and logical fallacies. I don't even understand why people would want Protheans in the first place, tbh. There are already so many characters to choose from, many different playstyles, powers and builds to explore. And probably more on the way, ones that don't violate existing lore. There's nothing lacking in MP by excluding Protheans. Except an unimpressive character model. Javik doesn't even have a tight ass.

Then you have not read the entirety of my threas's OP? 

http://social.biowar.../index/13665128

Because I'm sick and tird of multiple copies of the same race over and over again. Because I like the lore behind Protheans. Because I can find a way to role-play, in a role-playing game - as my favorite alien. Becuase they don't have to break lore. 

The truth comes out.

Which is?

You want to dance to slow jams with Javik.

How can I resist? 


To be fair, I have a bigger fetish for Collectors... 

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

corporal doody wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Thralls? mindless drones? Play as? HAHAHAHA.....only if it was an RTS.

and only way im cool with playing as a collector is if i can kill me some humans!!!

no..no no no no no. and protheans be like all extinct an junk.

Surprising isn't it? I(and many other apparently) have a creative enough mind to role-play a mindless slave race... that also happen to exhibit a hivemind intelligence on par with the Geth. 


Yeah, "mindless". There are not completely mindless. If you insist they are, then role-play  as the Leviathans controlling them. 

Point being: I can make them work for my role-play, so can others.

I see.  So it IS all about you.

No, never have I said it's all about me. And don't try to put words in my mouth.

[Saints]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

painforest wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

painforest wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

painforest wrote...

I do not feel like there is any "lore-friendly" way to introduce Protheans into MP. All I see are a bunch of retcons and logical fallacies. I don't even understand why people would want Protheans in the first place, tbh. There are already so many characters to choose from, many different playstyles, powers and builds to explore. And probably more on the way, ones that don't violate existing lore. There's nothing lacking in MP by excluding Protheans. Except an unimpressive character model. Javik doesn't even have a tight ass.

Then you have not read the entirety of my threas's OP? 

http://social.biowar.../index/13665128

Because I'm sick and tird of multiple copies of the same race over and over again. Because I like the lore behind Protheans. Because I can find a way to role-play, in a role-playing game - as my favorite alien. Becuase they don't have to break lore. 

The truth comes out.

Which is?

You want to dance to slow jams with Javik.

How can I resist? 


To be fair, I have a bigger fetish for Collectors... 

Agreed.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

My Pro-thean thread? You've posted in it numerous times? We have discussed this before...

N7 ops are not the frontline. Engine limitation or not, it is lore justified by being called N7 operations. 

How you are gathering the idea of this meaning front-line of all things is beyond me.


The secrecy, urgency, and direct communication from Admiral Hackett all point to this being a special operation consisting of the best of the best. 


Prothean avatars/clones/whatever fit this bill. 



"Every kit we can play now comes from a faction/species whose number we don't know. We just know that that number is really large..."

Just because there is a pattern does not confirm it as definitive fact. Exceptions can be made, and reasonably so.

Dude. Relax. I know this is BSN, but we can have a civil argument without resorting to insulting each others' intelligence.

I don't remember the exact words you used in your Pro-thean thread which I'm sure was pages long; without a link, I can't be sure that I read it. Not only that, it's probably weeks old. I make multiple posts here everyday. You can't expect me to remember them all.

OT: I think you're wrong. That every kit we play is representative of a much larger facton is too logical for there to be any room for exceptions. This way, they need not explain what happens were an operative to die/not extract (something I'm sure no one's even thought about). With such a large number, they also don't need to explain why there are multiples of the same kit in one match. I think this pattern was deliberate. Why should Protheans be an exception to a pattern that every (I can't stress the word "every" enough) kit follows? What's more damning, imo, is that they would be the only possible species to break this pattern, being extinct and whatnot. Their number actually matters, and if so few were brought in, wouldn't they be instantly important to the lore? I can't imagine everybody being ok with sending x number of the most important individuals in the galaxy off behind enemy lines. Other kits, because of the large force/race they represent, are expendable. Protheans with knowledge of the Reapers are not. I'm willing to listen to reason, but I think this is a pattern too important to overlook.

Side note: Protheans? Best of the best? You did see that video of them shooting their PPRs, right?

[corporal doody]

PS...i wouldnt want to play as protheans anyway....cuz they are losers!!!! they lose at things, They lost! they got beat! Bringing back the protheans would be like the fedaral gubbermen given big gubbermen money checks to banks that were failing! it just aint right! it messes up the natural order of things! there is a reason they failed! lettin um survive goes against the system!

Modifié par corporal doody, 11 février 2013 - 12:17 .

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

My Pro-thean thread? You've posted in it numerous times? We have discussed this before...

N7 ops are not the frontline. Engine limitation or not, it is lore justified by being called N7 operations. 

How you are gathering the idea of this meaning front-line of all things is beyond me.


The secrecy, urgency, and direct communication from Admiral Hackett all point to this being a special operation consisting of the best of the best. 


Prothean avatars/clones/whatever fit this bill. 



"Every kit we can play now comes from a faction/species whose number we don't know. We just know that that number is really large..."

Just because there is a pattern does not confirm it as definitive fact. Exceptions can be made, and reasonably so.

Dude. Relax. I know this is BSN, but we can have a civil argument without resorting to insulting each others' intelligence.

I don't remember the exact words you used in your Pro-thean thread which I'm sure was pages long; without a link, I can't be sure that I read it. Not only that, it's probably weeks old. I make multiple posts here everyday. You can't expect me to remember them all.

OT: I think you're wrong. That every kit we play is representative of a much larger facton is too logical for there to be any room for exceptions. This way, they need not explain what happens were an operative to die/not extract (something I'm sure no one's even thought about). With such a large number, they also don't need to explain why there are multiples of the same kit in one match. I think this pattern was deliberate. Why should Protheans be an exception to a pattern that every (I can't stress the word "every" enough) kit follows? What's more damning, imo, is that they would be the only possible species to break this pattern, being extinct and whatnot. Their number actually matters, and if so few were brought in, wouldn't they be instantly important to the lore? I can't imagine everybody being ok with sending x number of the most important individuals in the galaxy off behind enemy lines. Other kits, because of the large force/race they represent, are expendable. Protheans with knowledge of the Reapers are not. I'm willing to listen to reason, but I think this is a pattern too important to overlook.

Side note: Protheans? Best of the best? You did see that video of them shooting their PPRs, right?

Where have I insulted you? I apologize if you felt offended, but I had no intention of that.


And yes, Protheans do fit the bill for best of the best. All they need to do is touch a human and suddenly, they speak their language. If Javik were not militarily trained, he would have been after Shepard touched him.

Modifié par xSNPx ZoDiaC, 11 février 2013 - 12:21 .

[CSRB]

Zodiac...let it go son.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

corporal doody wrote...

PS...i wouldnt want to play as protheans anyway....cuz they are losers!!!! they lose at things, They lost! they got beat! Bringing back the protheans would be like the fedaral gubbermen given big gubbermen money checks to banks that were failing! it just aint right! it messes up the natural order of things! there is a reason they failed! lettin um survive goes against the system!

Good for you.



Also, without the Protheans handy work on the conduit, we would have all been extinct already.

[xSNPx ZoDiaC]

CSRB wrote...

Zodiac...let it go son.

Never, until ME3's dying breath. I will continue my holy crusade.

[corporal doody]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

PS...i wouldnt want to play as protheans anyway....cuz they are losers!!!! they lose at things, They lost! they got beat! Bringing back the protheans would be like the fedaral gubbermen given big gubbermen money checks to banks that were failing! it just aint right! it messes up the natural order of things! there is a reason they failed! lettin um survive goes against the system!

Good for you.



Also, without the Protheans handy work on the conduit, we would have all been extinct already.

hey..write a fanfic about how a group of protheans (all of which miraculously happen to be soldiers) got found frozen in an asteroid and now wanna join the cause.  put your creativity to work so others can enjoy it. not I though, imma be too busy eating these here donuts.

edit: they got frozen cuz they were using the bathroom at the same time.....and well...urine meets vaccuum.

Modifié par corporal doody, 11 février 2013 - 12:27 .

[BloodClaw95]

xSNPx ZoDiaC wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

PS...i wouldnt want to play as protheans anyway....cuz they are losers!!!! they lose at things, They lost! they got beat! Bringing back the protheans would be like the fedaral gubbermen given big gubbermen money checks to banks that were failing! it just aint right! it messes up the natural order of things! there is a reason they failed! lettin um survive goes against the system!

Good for you.



Also, without the Protheans handy work on the conduit, we would have all been extinct already.

Extinct like the Protheans?

Who are all dead except for Javik?

They had their chance. Their cycle failed. Javik is their last chance for revenge. He's become the symbol, not only of his fallen people, but of all the cycles that fell to the Reapers before now.