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[Beta Commando]

Look, originally it was meant so that none of the Prometheans were meant to be able to wake up and breathe after their stasis. Even though Prometheans statis chambers were few in numbers left after the war there are still more than Javiks. So Javik survived and the other warriors are hidden away from world, sleep in their stasis and wait to be wakened up and lead by Javik. Javik can´t know for sure that all his fellow warriors are all dead as there was never actual evidence that the last surviving pods were found, destroyed or that they were found dead inside. The only thing Javik knows is that most of the pods got destroyed and as there are not signs of others discovery yet, he can only presume they are all dead but there is no evidence of that.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

I don't think Protheans should be in MP..It would break the lore really very badly...

Javik is a massive cop out...if they had made a proper explanation for him...Like Liara actually doing some proper Prothean archeology (for once ) work via her Shadow Broker network & finding the stasis pod in some uncharted planet or relay ...OR we ended up visiting Ilos againt to recover Vigil's remains & we find top secret locations of other possible stasis pods...That would have made more sense..How on Earth did Cerberus knew Eden Prime had secret stasis pods ? There are almost no humans who specialize in Prothean technology / history (the fact that Alliance let a big chunk of artifact in the dust for 3 decades proves this)....

Also, Protheans are from a previous cycle. They are different. They do not have physiology even remotely similar to any of the species in this cycle. & look at Javik & his skill set..what is he ?An adept ? No, because he has decent combat bonuses, weapon damage bonuses . Is he a sentinel ? No because he lacks any form of damage protection or tech armor. Is he a vanguard ? No because he lacks any form of charge . Heck even Prothean guns are different (ignoring ME1's no thermal clips) ...

Bottom line : Protheans are different. Their skill sets are different..Weapons are different ..& combat tactics are different ....Species of this cycle should not be too quick / arrogant to conform them to our fighting styles (engineer, vanguard, adept, soldier,sentinel)

So no..Protheans should NOT be in MP...

However I would not mind if they bring the Raloi OR the Yahg...

Modifié par The Sin, 18 novembre 2012 - 11:05 .

[StrawHatMoose]

I see DJ's butt is getting mad.

[DullahansXMark]

Or better yet, how about N7 Furies wearing Prothean halloween costumes into battle?

[Yate]

everyone who wants Protheans in MP is an idiot and should shoot themselves

[P_sutherland]

DullahansXMark wrote...

jaydubs67 wrote...

No Protheans without a SP DLC explaining how they got there, and requisite changes in Javik's dialogue to reflect the fact that he is no longer alone.

This is my stance. If they're gonna be included, I at least want a well-written explanation in the form of DLC. No clones whatsoever, that's a cop-out. I want excellent writing, even better than that of Sovereign's "we are Reapers" exposition in ME1.

Badassfully: It would just feel like a "From the ashes" clone anyway ...

Liara: "oh look, we found more protheans"
Javik:
Liara: "their all male"
Javik: ಠಠ_ಠಠ

[DullahansXMark]

Beta Commando wrote...

Look, originally it was meant so that none of the Prometheans were meant to be able to wake up and breathe after their stasis. Even though Prometheans statis chambers were few in numbers left after the war there are still more than Javiks. So Javik survived and the other warriors are hidden away from world, sleep in their stasis and wait to be wakened up and lead by Javik. Javik can´t know for sure that all his fellow warriors are all dead as there was never actual evidence that the last surviving pods were found, destroyed or that they were found dead inside. The only thing Javik knows is that most of the pods got destroyed and as there are not signs of others discovery yet, he can only presume they are all dead but there is no evidence of that.

That's fine and dandy, but if they were all fighting across the galaxy, Javik would find out. There's just no way around that. And yet he'd still keep talking like he's the last Prothean alive, because that's how he was programmed to speak.

[DJ Airsurfer]

DullahansXMark wrote...

jaydubs67 wrote...

No Protheans without a SP DLC explaining how they got there, and requisite changes in Javik's dialogue to reflect the fact that he is no longer alone.

This is my stance. If they're gonna be included, I at least want a well-written explanation in the form of DLC. No clones whatsoever, that's a cop-out. I want excellent writing, even better than that of Sovereign's "we are Reapers" exposition in ME1.

This I agree with, heck, I'd even pay for a Prothean MP dlc. Also, cloned Protheans is a big no-no.

[DullahansXMark]

Yate wrote...

everyone who wants Protheans in MP is an idiot and should shoot themselves

Aw, well that's mean. At least give them a chance to redeem themselves before giving them their guns!

[Yate]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Yate wrote...

everyone who wants Protheans in MP is an idiot and should shoot themselves

Aw, well that's mean. At least give them a chance to redeem themselves before giving them their guns!

no

[DullahansXMark]

P_sutherland wrote...

Badassfully: It would just feel like a "From the ashes" clone anyway ...

Liara: "oh look, we found more protheans"
Javik:
Liara: "their all male"
Javik: ಠಠ_ಠಠ

Liara: "oh look, we found more protheans"
Javik:
Liara: "their all male"
Javik: ಠಠ_ಠಠ

Javik: ಠಠ_ಠಠ

ಠಠ_ಠಠ

... what is that...?

[P_sutherland]

Badassfully: how about... just to keep it friendly.. they add a "play as one of the ME3 main characters (minus Shepard) .. then you can run around as Javik.. I can run around as Ashley.. Mark can be Kaiden.. and someone else can be Miranda... then we can drive the lore people crazy

[jaydubs67]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...
I'd, honestly, even play the Protheans if they were available, 

That's all I needed, any argument you now bring forward is null and void.

Not really...    

[AresKeith]

And Yate once again makes an extreme comment

[Queen Ultima]

So.... What if the cloned/found/remadealáShepardin2/cuddly Protheans had been kept secret. Or if the Protheans had been cloned towards the end of the war (think around Thessia/Cronos/Earth). Javik wouldn't have had time to know about them, and the Citadel powers that cloned them could have simply used them for wetworks.

EDIT: Heck, take the cloning/genetic modification argument. You could say, in the eyes of Javik, they aren't Prothean, any more than Collectors are.

Modifié par Queen Ultima, 18 novembre 2012 - 11:10 .

[DullahansXMark]

jaydubs67 wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...
I'd, honestly, even play the Protheans if they were available, 

That's all I needed, any argument you now bring forward is null and void.

Not really...    

[DJ Airsurfer]

Yate wrote...

everyone who wants Protheans in MP is an idiot and should shoot themselves

I could say the same to those getting their panties in a bunch as soon as they hear Protheans and MP in the same sentence. However, it's hard to vent one's skull if there isn't anything in there to begin with.

[Father Superior]

DullahansXMark wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Alternatively, I've got another explanation why it isn't lore-friendly: My opinion is lore and I call all the shots, you are not allowed to have opinions conflicting with mine.

Fixed.

It's not a matter of opinion. It's cold, hard facts that dictate that Protheans are literally impossible thanks to the current lore. If they decided to ret-con it? ... wow, that would like, literally destroy any sense of urgency the Reapers bring in tow with them (even though they're already not much of a threat: if you do the math, it would take them over a decade to wipe out all organic life. That's a long time.) because it's obvious they can't even do their job right. Javik was a miracle case, and he's only one guy that you had to pay $10 to save. You can't explain dozens of more survivors without making the Reapers look incompetent.

You are so wrong it is painful. Do you even pay attention to the lore? Protheans are far from "impossible" and to say that they are displays an utter ignorance of the ME universe, as well as the concept of lore.

Read through this thread, every single post, and you will see just how wrong you are (assuming you aren't just some anti-Prothean fanatic, like corporal doody, who rejects every single flaw in their argument and forces their narrow-minded opinion on others as definitive fact): 

http://social.biowar...128/12#14973678

[ShinobiMato]

Draining Dragon wrote...

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

Besides, you can't always please everyone.

Yeah, and there's no reason to please the people who want Protheans.

yes, advancement in the multiplayer.
where as NOT putting protheans in just holds it back for seriously no real reason.

[DullahansXMark]

P_sutherland wrote...

Badassfully: how about... just to keep it friendly.. they add a "play as one of the ME3 main characters (minus Shepard) .. then you can run around as Javik.. I can run around as Ashley.. Mark can be Kaiden.. and someone else can be Miranda... then we can drive the lore people crazy

Wait wait!

I wanna be Wrex, and AresKeith can be Wreav! And we can fight off Reaper forces in celebration of curing the Genophage! 8D

[P_sutherland]

DullahansXMark wrote...

P_sutherland wrote...

Badassfully: how about... just to keep it friendly.. they add a "play as one of the ME3 main characters (minus Shepard) .. then you can run around as Javik.. I can run around as Ashley.. Mark can be Kaiden.. and someone else can be Miranda... then we can drive the lore people crazy

Wait wait!

I wanna be Wrex, and AresKeith can be Wreav! And we can fight off Reaper forces in celebration of curing the Genophage! 8D

 
ah.. cure... yes... uhhh... let me just edit my war asset list.

[ForTuchanka]

Because a horse simply doesn't convey the magnitude of the bad idea that introducing an extinct race into multiplayer is...

[ToLazy4Name]

As long as it is explained as to how they are alive, then I don't mind.

[Father Superior]

Yate wrote...

everyone who wants Protheans in MP is an idiot and should shoot themselves

Fantastic explanation for why Protheans are not possible in MP. Your parents must be so proud of your superb command of the English language.

You're a waste of genetic material and I request that you don't pass on your inferior genes, in order to prevent further pollution of the gene pool.

[DullahansXMark]

Father Superior wrote...

You are so wrong it is painful. Do you even pay attention to the lore? Protheans are far from "impossible" and to say that they are displays an utter ignorance of the ME universe, as well as the concept of lore.

Read through this thread, every single post, and you will see just how wrong you are (assuming you aren't just some anti-Prothean fanatic, like corporal doody, who rejects every single flaw in their argument and forces their narrow-minded opinion on others as definitive fact): 

http://social.biowar...128/12#14973678

I love how Pro-'theans all can't distinguish between fact and opinion, nor between evidence and assumption. Everything I've provided makes additions of Protheans into the lore as we know it impossible. If they added to or changed the lore around, then it'd be a different story. Meanwhile Pro-'theans have to go through loopholes to "explain" how Protheans can still be around. Besides, why do you honestly want them? They bring nothing new to the table. They have biotics. Wahoo, so do like, 35 or so of our existing kits.

You're wrong, bro. Now excuse me, I have to get this painful wrongness wound healed.

Modifié par DullahansXMark, 18 novembre 2012 - 11:17 .