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[vivanto]

Screw that, I want to play as a Leviathan!

[god_savant]

I thought lore cohesion went out the window the moment Platinum difficulty was conceived.

Protheans could be cool, although I don't know what would be unique about their race.

[Mash3d]

If we get Protheans in multiplayer, then we sure as HELL better get some cyborg-wizard-velociraptors as well.

[DullahansXMark]

god_savant wrote...

I thought lore cohesion went out the window the moment Platinum difficulty was conceived.

Protheans could be cool, although I don't know what would be unique about their race.

Nothing.

They have that "I can touch you and learn everything about you!" deal, but that's impossible to incorporate into gameplay. Beyond that they're just another playable race... oh wait, no they're not.

[DullahansXMark]

Mash3d wrote...

If we get Protheans in multiplayer, then we sure as HELL better get some cyborg-wizard-velociraptors as well.

The Turian Saboteur Engineer, bro

[Father Superior]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Father Superior wrote...

You are so wrong it is painful. Do you even pay attention to the lore? Protheans are far from "impossible" and to say that they are displays an utter ignorance of the ME universe, as well as the concept of lore.

Read through this thread, every single post, and you will see just how wrong you are (assuming you aren't just some anti-Prothean fanatic, like corporal doody, who rejects every single flaw in their argument and forces their narrow-minded opinion on others as definitive fact): 

http://social.biowar...128/12#14973678

I love how Pro-'theans all can't distinguish between fact and opinion, nor between evidence and assumption. Everything I've provided makes additions of Protheans into the lore as we know it impossible. If they added to or changed the lore around, then it'd be a different story.

You're wrong, bro. Now excuse me, I have to get this painful wrongness wound healed.

The point I'm making is that Protheans are indeed possible, but they require an explanation (preferably through a SP DLC). The current lore doesn't make them impossible, it just doesn't have a means of adding them without testing the strength of the players' suspension of disbelief. I don't make assumptions, I provide possible passageways for the story to go that could reintroduce Protheans into the galactic community and into the MP as an UR card.

Considering that the thread I linked to is 12 pages long, I have extreme doubts that you have read through it. If you haven't read through all of the arguments I have made, then you are in no position to tell me that I'm wrong. It is actually quite amusing that you are so confident in your position without researching the other side. You truly are a testament to your people and their methods of "conversation" and "debate".

[DullahansXMark]

Father Superior wrote...

The point I'm making is that Protheans are indeed possible, but they require an explanation (preferably through a SP DLC). The current lore doesn't make them impossible, it just doesn't have a means of adding them without testing the strength of the players' suspension of disbelief.

Considering that the thread I linked to is 12 pages long, I have extreme doubts that you have read through it.

Wow. You get mad at me for not reading 12 pages of nonsense, yet you didn't even read properly the very post you were replying to. Nice.

[DarthSliver]

I figure how Protheans can be added to the War effort they were helping future cycles to succeed unexpectedly when they were fighting in their cycle. Simple solution add Protheans with some Prothean dated maps, they were helping our cycle succeed before their demise.

[Queen Ultima]

ForTuchanka wrote...

Because a horse simply doesn't convey the magnitude of the bad idea that introducing an extinct race into multiplayer is...

Agreed.

I mean it's not like we've had individuals who could only number in the dozens at most to play as*, you need an entire race. But hey, not like Single Player pieces of lore have been made redundant in the past*....

*N7, naturally, Krogen Shaman, Turian Armiger Legion, Cerberus defectors, and my favourite, Justicars who apparently are VERY limited in number due to the War on Thessia.

*Sovreign claiming that Reapers kill all beings in Galaxy, Haestrom's sun, Thermal Clips on non-high rate of fire weapons (ie, Pistol, Snipers), Joker being able to survive vacuum at the start of ME2, Genophage definition differences between 1 and 2.... I could go on.

But, hey, saying "NO! No! No!" must be good for the lungs.

[Father Superior]

DullahansXMark wrote...

god_savant wrote...

I thought lore cohesion went out the window the moment Platinum difficulty was conceived.

Protheans could be cool, although I don't know what would be unique about their race.

Nothing.

They have that "I can touch you and learn everything about you!" deal, but that's impossible to incorporate into gameplay. Beyond that they're just another playable race... oh wait, no they're not.

You're making the assumption that Bioware wouldn't attempt to make them unique,. which you have no evidence to support. If Bioware makes Protheans, which they clearly could, they could undoubtedly make them unique from other races, whether through new powers or racial traits.

If we're going to make assumptions and claim them as fact, then I assume that Protheans would receive a racial trait similar to Krogan Rage that gives them an Area Scan-esque effect for themselves every time they kill an enemy with a heavy melee. Not only does that make your narrow-minded assumption that Bioware can't incorporate the Prothean sensory ability into gameplay invalid, now they're also unique.

[Queen Ultima]

god_savant wrote...

I thought lore cohesion went out the window the moment Platinum difficulty was conceived.

Protheans could be cool, although I don't know what would be unique about their race.

Aside from new Prothean-only powers, plus damage using Prothean and Collector weaponry (with perhaps an increased rate of regeneration), new animations, new voices, etc. Tbh, the same uniqueness any particular race has (Geth, N7, Cerberus being the most "unique" races in my mind)

[Beta Commando]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Beta Commando wrote...

Look, originally it was meant so that none of the Prometheans were meant to be able to wake up and breathe after their stasis. Even though Prometheans statis chambers were few in numbers left after the war there are still more than Javiks. So Javik survived and the other warriors are hidden away from world, sleep in their stasis and wait to be wakened up and lead by Javik. Javik can´t know for sure that all his fellow warriors are all dead as there was never actual evidence that the last surviving pods were found, destroyed or that they were found dead inside. The only thing Javik knows is that most of the pods got destroyed and as there are not signs of others discovery yet, he can only presume they are all dead but there is no evidence of that.

That's fine and dandy, but if they were all fighting across the galaxy, Javik would find out. There's just no way around that. And yet he'd still keep talking like he's the last Prothean alive, because that's how he was programmed to speak.

True but the war is on going everywhere from the beginning of the game and all the way to the end of the game. Imagine how big every place is, SP and MP might not ever come across the same area even if they have copied elements or whole places does not mean they are the same exact facility. Protheans can only sense form a certain distance. Now the only problem is that Javik speaks that he is the only one. Basically he would be if it would be cloning technology since the clones are not actual Protheans, they are genecally manipulated tissue, a living replica of the Prothean himself and therefore they are not actually Protheans so Javik could still keep saying that he is the only Promethean alive because it is true, he would be the only real Promothean alive. How about this?

Modifié par Beta Commando, 18 novembre 2012 - 11:35 .

[Nissun]

Some people just don't get it.

god_savant wrote...

I thought lore cohesion went out the window the moment Platinum difficulty was conceived.

Protheans could be cool, although I don't know what would be unique about their race.

They would be ridiculously good looking. 

[DullahansXMark]

DarthSliver wrote...

I figure how Protheans can be added to the War effort they were helping future cycles to succeed unexpectedly when they were fighting in their cycle. Simple solution add Protheans with some Prothean dated maps, they were helping our cycle succeed before their demise.

I actually had an idea like this a while back.

http://social.biowar...ndex/14520746/2

As others brought up though, too much work for a novelty.

[Queen Ultima]

Father Superior wrote...

You're making the assumption that Bioware wouldn't attempt to make them unique,. which you have no evidence to support. If Bioware makes Protheans, which they clearly could, they could undoubtedly make them unique from other races, whether through new powers or racial traits.

If we're going to make assumptions and claim them as fact, then I assume that Protheans would receive a racial trait similar to Krogan Rage that gives them an Area Scan-esque effect for themselves every time they kill an enemy with a heavy melee. Not only does that make your narrow-minded assumption that Bioware can't incorporate the Prothean sensory ability into gameplay invalid, now they're also unique.

That's actually quite a good racial for them. Make it dependant on killing enemies, with a short duration, and it's both powerful but potentially balanceable. And unique. Maybe something for Melees also.

[P_sutherland]

Beta Commando wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Beta Commando wrote...

Look, originally it was meant so that none of the Prometheans were meant to be able to wake up and breathe after their stasis. Even though Prometheans statis chambers were few in numbers left after the war there are still more than Javiks. So Javik survived and the other warriors are hidden away from world, sleep in their stasis and wait to be wakened up and lead by Javik. Javik can´t know for sure that all his fellow warriors are all dead as there was never actual evidence that the last surviving pods were found, destroyed or that they were found dead inside. The only thing Javik knows is that most of the pods got destroyed and as there are not signs of others discovery yet, he can only presume they are all dead but there is no evidence of that.

That's fine and dandy, but if they were all fighting across the galaxy, Javik would find out. There's just no way around that. And yet he'd still keep talking like he's the last Prothean alive, because that's how he was programmed to speak.

True but the war is on going everywhere from the beginning of the game and all the way to the end of the game. Imagine how big every place is, SP and MP might not every come across the same area even if they have copied elements or whole places does not mean they are the same exact facility. Protheans can only sense form a certain distance. Now the only problem is that Javik speaks that he is the only one. Basically he would be if it would be cloning technology since the clones are not actual Protheans, they are genecally manipulated tissue, a living replica of the Prothean himself and therefore they are not actually Protheans so Javik could still keep saying that he is the only Promethean alive because it is true, he would be the only real Promothean alive. How about this?

would it be worth it to clone a extinct race to fight in a war when you could easily clone shepard.. who.. gets better results

then we could get a SP DLC that has a clone doing the opposite of watever our shepards is doing... s/he joins Cerberus

Modifié par P_sutherland, 18 novembre 2012 - 11:36 .

[Father Superior]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Father Superior wrote...

The point I'm making is that Protheans are indeed possible, but they require an explanation (preferably through a SP DLC). The current lore doesn't make them impossible, it just doesn't have a means of adding them without testing the strength of the players' suspension of disbelief.

Considering that the thread I linked to is 12 pages long, I have extreme doubts that you have read through it.

Wow. You get mad at me for not reading 12 pages of nonsense, yet you didn't even read properly the very post you were replying to. Nice.

I read your post and I replied to the BS you spewed. You said that Protheans are currently "impossible", I pointed out that the thread I linked to shows that your statement is false. In addition to making false accusations, you're assumption that the thread is nonsense is more proof that you're refusing to investigate the opposition's arguments and reasoning. I'm fairly confident that you're trolling, as someone who actually wants to have a debate/discussion is at least willing to listen to the other side's reasoning. You're simply sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALLALAALLALA I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG, LALALALALALALLALALAL".

[DullahansXMark]

Father Superior wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

god_savant wrote...

I thought lore cohesion went out the window the moment Platinum difficulty was conceived.

Protheans could be cool, although I don't know what would be unique about their race.

Nothing.

They have that "I can touch you and learn everything about you!" deal, but that's impossible to incorporate into gameplay. Beyond that they're just another playable race... oh wait, no they're not.

You're making the assumption that Bioware wouldn't attempt to make them unique,. which you have no evidence to support. If Bioware makes Protheans, which they clearly could, they could undoubtedly make them unique from other races, whether through new powers or racial traits.

If we're going to make assumptions and claim them as fact, then I assume that Protheans would receive a racial trait similar to Krogan Rage that gives them an Area Scan-esque effect for themselves every time they kill an enemy with a heavy melee. Not only does that make your narrow-minded assumption that Bioware can't incorporate the Prothean sensory ability into gameplay invalid, now they're also unique.

And you're assuming that they couldn't just do the same for races that aren't dead. Hey-oh!

[DullahansXMark]

Father Superior wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Father Superior wrote...

The point I'm making is that Protheans are indeed possible, but they require an explanation (preferably through a SP DLC). The current lore doesn't make them impossible, it just doesn't have a means of adding them without testing the strength of the players' suspension of disbelief.

Considering that the thread I linked to is 12 pages long, I have extreme doubts that you have read through it.

Wow. You get mad at me for not reading 12 pages of nonsense, yet you didn't even read properly the very post you were replying to. Nice.

I read your post and I replied to the BS you spewed. You said that Protheans are currently "impossible", I pointed out that the thread I linked to shows that your statement is false. In addition to making false accusations, you're assumption that the thread is nonsense is more proof that you're refusing to investigate the opposition's arguments and reasoning. I'm fairly confident that you're trolling, as someone who actually wants to have a debate/discussion is at least willing to listen to the other side's reasoning. You're simply sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "LALALLALAALLALA I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE WRONG, LALALALALALALLALALAL".

Arguing with Pro-'theans: It's like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't matter how--

... oh wait, I've done this analogy before.

Not my fault I can make my point with one sentence while your points require a run-on paragraph.

Modifié par DullahansXMark, 18 novembre 2012 - 11:35 .

[Queen Ultima]

P_sutherland wrote...

would it be worth it to clone a extinct race to fight in a war when you could easily clone shepard.. who.. gets better results

Aside from the fact that Shepard isn't unique in any appreciable way, (even Miranda who has a girl-crush on her says "She's only one woman"), I think Citadel space has banned cloning, that's why Medi-gel is in a grey area since technically it breaks bio-engineering laws but it's too useful to not make.

Protheans could be the same. Some genetic concern could say "Oh, well, we're only  trying to bring back a race that had a big legacy [since everyone still thinks Protheans made Mass Relays etc], and if they want to fight, well they're helping you so why not".

[Father Superior]

Queen Ultima wrote...

Father Superior wrote...

You're making the assumption that Bioware wouldn't attempt to make them unique,. which you have no evidence to support. If Bioware makes Protheans, which they clearly could, they could undoubtedly make them unique from other races, whether through new powers or racial traits.

If we're going to make assumptions and claim them as fact, then I assume that Protheans would receive a racial trait similar to Krogan Rage that gives them an Area Scan-esque effect for themselves every time they kill an enemy with a heavy melee. Not only does that make your narrow-minded assumption that Bioware can't incorporate the Prothean sensory ability into gameplay invalid, now they're also unique.

That's actually quite a good racial for them. Make it dependant on killing enemies, with a short duration, and it's both powerful but potentially balanceable. And unique. Maybe something for Melees also.

Thank you. I was brainstorming Prothean gameplay characteristics awhile back and I took note that there are very few races that have truly unique abilities, as well as incentive to go in for a melee. Using the sensory ability to detect other forces for a brief duration seemed like a perfect way to give incentive for CQC, as well as making Protheans unique beyond powersets.

[DullahansXMark]

Queen Ultima wrote...

Aside from the fact that Shepard isn't unique in any appreciable way

Shepard can kill Reapers. Protheans can't. They suck, Shepard rules, game over.

[P_sutherland]

Queen Ultima wrote...

P_sutherland wrote...

would it be worth it to clone a extinct race to fight in a war when you could easily clone shepard.. who.. gets better results

Aside from the fact that Shepard isn't unique in any appreciable way, (even Miranda who has a girl-crush on her says "She's only one woman"), I think Citadel space has banned cloning, that's why Medi-gel is in a grey area since technically it breaks bio-engineering laws but it's too useful to not make.

Protheans could be the same. Some genetic concern could say "Oh, well, we're only  trying to bring back a race that had a big legacy [since everyone still thinks Protheans made Mass Relays etc], and if they want to fight, well they're helping you so why not".

I think it would be easier and cheaper to build mechs.

[Beta Commando]

P_sutherland wrote...

Beta Commando wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

Beta Commando wrote...

Look, originally it was meant so that none of the Prometheans were meant to be able to wake up and breathe after their stasis. Even though Prometheans statis chambers were few in numbers left after the war there are still more than Javiks. So Javik survived and the other warriors are hidden away from world, sleep in their stasis and wait to be wakened up and lead by Javik. Javik can´t know for sure that all his fellow warriors are all dead as there was never actual evidence that the last surviving pods were found, destroyed or that they were found dead inside. The only thing Javik knows is that most of the pods got destroyed and as there are not signs of others discovery yet, he can only presume they are all dead but there is no evidence of that.

That's fine and dandy, but if they were all fighting across the galaxy, Javik would find out. There's just no way around that. And yet he'd still keep talking like he's the last Prothean alive, because that's how he was programmed to speak.

True but the war is on going everywhere from the beginning of the game and all the way to the end of the game. Imagine how big every place is, SP and MP might not every come across the same area even if they have copied elements or whole places does not mean they are the same exact facility. Protheans can only sense form a certain distance. Now the only problem is that Javik speaks that he is the only one. Basically he would be if it would be cloning technology since the clones are not actual Protheans, they are genecally manipulated tissue, a living replica of the Prothean himself and therefore they are not actually Protheans so Javik could still keep saying that he is the only Promethean alive because it is true, he would be the only real Promothean alive. How about this?

would it be worth it to clone a extinct race to fight in a war when you could easily clone shepard.. who.. gets better results

then we could get a SP DLC that has a clone doing the opposite of watever our shepards is doing... s/he joins Cerberus

Yeah after Javik was in stasis for 50000 years, now if you can prove that you can do every function of your body instanly after that, then your point is very true. Besides it is not like Protheans could not outguns Shepard but balance needs to exist so again it breaks lore a bit. They were legendary all the way since From the Ashes got released and then we saw that hey they are just another race with theuir race specific traits just like every race out there but this was only because Bioware needed to make Javik and other Prometheans in the memory flashbacks balanced to make sense of their current power, If there wouldn´t have been power restrictions Javik could probably kill everything with full skillset but that would be too powerfull and game breaking.

Modifié par Beta Commando, 18 novembre 2012 - 11:42 .

[Father Superior]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Father Superior wrote...

DullahansXMark wrote...

god_savant wrote...

I thought lore cohesion went out the window the moment Platinum difficulty was conceived.

Protheans could be cool, although I don't know what would be unique about their race.

Nothing.

They have that "I can touch you and learn everything about you!" deal, but that's impossible to incorporate into gameplay. Beyond that they're just another playable race... oh wait, no they're not.

You're making the assumption that Bioware wouldn't attempt to make them unique,. which you have no evidence to support. If Bioware makes Protheans, which they clearly could, they could undoubtedly make them unique from other races, whether through new powers or racial traits.

If we're going to make assumptions and claim them as fact, then I assume that Protheans would receive a racial trait similar to Krogan Rage that gives them an Area Scan-esque effect for themselves every time they kill an enemy with a heavy melee. Not only does that make your narrow-minded assumption that Bioware can't incorporate the Prothean sensory ability into gameplay invalid, now they're also unique.

And you're assuming that they couldn't just do the same for races that aren't dead. Hey-oh!

Where did I say that Protheans would be the only possible race that this could work for? Bioware could put this on another race. I can't conceive of another race that this would be appropriate for, but that doesn't mean that it isn't a possibility. I'm just giving a single possibility that would make sense on a Prothean and could make Protheans unique from other races. There are plenty of other ideas floating around that could be applied to them, I just picked one that I had considered. Your attempt at putting words in my mouth is astoundingly petty and childish, to say the least.