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[Beta Commando]

Gurluas wrote...

If they were cloned by the Salarians, they wouldn't be TRUE Prothean, thus not invalidating Javik, and allowing us to play Fake Living Protheans.

Yes this is exaclty what I have tried to say, OP would prefer them not to be cloned but I still rather take a fake clone Promethean than not one at all.

[Father Superior]

DullahansXMark wrote...

Father Superior wrote...

I was just referring to the claim that they are "impossible" to bring back, which I still believe is false. However, I now see that your view is not that Protheans are "impossible", but that they're "not currently possible", which I can respect far more.

It is refreshing to see someone who doesn't identify as Pro-thean to actually be open to expansion of the lore and inclusion of Protheans under logical and lore-consistent means. Though I do have to say that I don't think that using the anti-Prothean label is appropriate for you, as I've seen my share of that group and their posts on the subject mostly consist of "No" or "Ur stoopid 4 wntin Amateur-theans, trololololol". To use the anti-Prothean label is an insult to your position and is not properly recognizing your reasoning. I would suggest referring to yourself as something more suitable, like "Pr-open-thean" or "Airlock-Curious"; a new title would provide a better summary of your view and not group you in with the degenerate crowd that is associated with anti-Protheans.

I would also like to apologize for the needless conflict that arose from our conversation. Had I recognized your position from the beginning, our exchange would not have gotten as heated as it did. I appreciate your openness and I'm glad to see that there are people on the BSN who aren't needlessly stubborn in regards to Protheans.

Wow, umm... thank you. That actually means a lot to me to hear that. Thank you.

(I'm honest to God being sincere when I say that.)

I guess I'll take the time to apologize for pairing you with the "ending sux therefore Protheans are pawsible" group (which sadly, does in fact exist...). I'm definitely glad to have met on a more neutral ground. I hope there aren't any hard feelings between us, and at the very least, there are none on my part.

EDIT: Oh God, that just sunk in. Airlock Curious?! XD

I am sincere as well. It is depressingly rare to encounter someone on the BSN who isn't so strongly opinionated that they refuse to budge an inch on their position. I can hardly remember the last time I had a conversation here that did not end with enhanced levels of stress.

I can understand the mistake. The labels of Pro-thean and anti-Prothean can lead to certain assumptions that can sometimes be wrong and it happened to both of us here; I assumed that you were among those who refuse to have a logical, reasoned discussion on the subject and cling to the lore without acknowledging its dynamic nature and you assumed that I was among the crowd who don't care about the lore and just wanted Protheans regardless of the consequences. Having a nuanced opinion on the topic is crucial to getting anywhere and I think that this is a great step in the right direction.

No hard feelings intended. We both made mistakes, but we've seen the errors of our ways and are better people for it. I view this exchange as a Krogan-esque bonding experience; we butted heads and got heated, but now that its over and we recognize each other's views, we can respect and admire the other's tenacity. All that's left is to go hunt a Thresher Maw (though I'm not quite sure how that could fit into the analogy  ).

PS: I'm quite fond of the term as well 

[DJ Airsurfer]

On a somewhat unrelated note, have we got any official statement from BioWare regarding MProtheans?

[Clayless]

Beta Commando wrote...

Gurluas wrote...

If they were cloned by the Salarians, they wouldn't be TRUE Prothean, thus not invalidating Javik, and allowing us to play Fake Living Protheans.

Yes this is exaclty what I have tried to say, OP would prefer them not to be cloned but I still rather take a fake clone Promethean than not one at all.

In like all your posts you call them Prometheans.

[Beta Commando]

DJ Airsurfer wrote...

On a somewhat unrelated note, have we got any official statement from BioWare regarding MProtheans?

As far as I know, no but it does not mean that they wouldn´t eventually respond. It will take some time though because they are now focusing on finishing the current DLC. My best advice is to post a thread after Retaliation DLC has been done completely and add a link from here to there or something in those lines.

[oO Stryfe Oo]

Queen Ultima wrote...

ForTuchanka wrote...

Because a horse simply doesn't convey the magnitude of the bad idea that introducing an extinct race into multiplayer is...

Agreed.

I mean it's not like we've had individuals who could only number in the dozens at most to play as*, you need an entire race. But hey, not like Single Player pieces of lore have been made redundant in the past*....

*N7, naturally, Krogen Shaman, Turian Armiger Legion, Cerberus defectors, and my favourite, Justicars who apparently are VERY limited in number due to the War on Thessia.

*Sovreign claiming that Reapers kill all beings in Galaxy, Haestrom's sun, Thermal Clips on non-high rate of fire weapons (ie, Pistol, Snipers), Joker being able to survive vacuum at the start of ME2, Genophage definition differences between 1 and 2.... I could go on.

But, hey, saying "NO! No! No!" must be good for the lungs.

I'm glad someone else mentioned it. I've come across OP saying we'd only need 4 so many times it makes my head hurt. OP, I've told you so many times, you'd need a large number of Protheans introduced. I explained to you in detail in that thread that Father Superior linked why that is so, and why we currently play races/groups who's numbers are large but still unknown. Even the Justicars are viable, since we don't know their exact population.

[Beta Commando]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Beta Commando wrote...

Gurluas wrote...

If they were cloned by the Salarians, they wouldn't be TRUE Prothean, thus not invalidating Javik, and allowing us to play Fake Living Protheans.

Yes this is exaclty what I have tried to say, OP would prefer them not to be cloned but I still rather take a fake clone Promethean than not one at all.

In like all your posts you call them Prometheans.

Oh boohoo grammar ****, so I did a mistake at 2 am. You are correct but how does it make my point any invalid huh?
I can help you with that, in no way.

[sandboxgod]

I'd be for adding Protheans if they make another DLC

[DJ Airsurfer]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

I'm glad someone else mentioned it. I've come across OP saying we'd only need 4 so many times it makes my head hurt. OP, I've told you so many times, you'd need a large number of Protheans introduced. I explained to you in detail in that thread that Father Superior linked why that is so, and why we currently play races/groups who's numbers are large but still unknown. Even the Justicars are viable, since we don't know their exact population.

>Implying in-game mechanics in MP follow lore exactly

[CptBomBom00]

Protheans in MP, hmmm interesting.

[Clayless]

Beta Commando wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Beta Commando wrote...

Gurluas wrote...

If they were cloned by the Salarians, they wouldn't be TRUE Prothean, thus not invalidating Javik, and allowing us to play Fake Living Protheans.

Yes this is exaclty what I have tried to say, OP would prefer them not to be cloned but I still rather take a fake clone Promethean than not one at all.

In like all your posts you call them Prometheans.

Oh boohoo grammar ****, so I did a mistake at 2 am. You are correct but how does it make my point any invalid huh?
I can help you with that, in no way.

Actually you've been calling them Prometheans for a few pages now. There's a difference between being a grammar **** and pointing out that Protheans are called Protheans.

Modifié par Our_Last_Scene, 19 novembre 2012 - 01:26 .

[AzureSky899]

Can't Collectors be reverse-engineered into Protheans once again? I just don't want this to be last MP dlc, we still need new Salarian, Turian Adept, Ex-Cerberus, plus supposedly last SP DLC is called rebirthing.....so maybe Prothean rebirth

[DJ Airsurfer]

sandboxgod wrote...

I'd be for adding Protheans if they make another DLC

Better late than never, I'm still waiting for SGU to get the final seasons it deserves. 

[Beta Commando]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Beta Commando wrote...

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Beta Commando wrote...

Gurluas wrote...

If they were cloned by the Salarians, they wouldn't be TRUE Prothean, thus not invalidating Javik, and allowing us to play Fake Living Protheans.

Yes this is exaclty what I have tried to say, OP would prefer them not to be cloned but I still rather take a fake clone Promethean than not one at all.

In like all your posts you call them Prometheans.

Oh boohoo grammar ****, so I did a mistake at 2 am. You are correct but how does it make my point any invalid huh?
I can help you with that, in no way.

Actually you've been calling them Prometheans for a few pages now. There's a difference between being a grammar **** and pointing out that Protheans are called Protheans.

Yeah Prometheans and Protheans are a different name, but so what if I made a mistake tired at 2 am when I´m about to going to go to sleep. Since when has a spelling a word or a name made points invalid? Being grammar **** is to point out those little things that do not matter whatsoever so that you can make someone look bad. If you´d be pointing about something it would be a wrong fact I have made, not a misspelling error. There is the difference.

[Auintus]

They're a dead race. They gave everything and then some fighting the Reapers and it wasn't enough. Just let them rest.

[Auintus]

Beta Commando wrote...

Yeah Prometheans and Protheans are a different name, but so what if I made a mistake tired at 2 am when I´m about to going to go to sleep. Since when has a spelling a word or a name made points invalid? Being grammar **** is to point out those little things that do not matter whatsoever so that you can make someone look bad. If you´d be pointing about something it would be a wrong fact I have made, not a misspelling error. There is the difference.

Chill, brother. Not that big of a deal.

[DJ Airsurfer]

Just to clarify, I would prefer not to get cloned Protheans, but I'm not entirely against the idea seeing as I've pretty much left the SP and that story arc behind me.

Modifié par DJ Airsurfer, 19 novembre 2012 - 01:37 .

[Beta Commando]

Auintus wrote...

Beta Commando wrote...

Yeah Prometheans and Protheans are a different name, but so what if I made a mistake tired at 2 am when I´m about to going to go to sleep. Since when has a spelling a word or a name made points invalid? Being grammar **** is to point out those little things that do not matter whatsoever so that you can make someone look bad. If you´d be pointing about something it would be a wrong fact I have made, not a misspelling error. There is the difference.

Chill, brother. Not that big of a deal.

I know I know, I´m just tiered as heck and itś not helping that people think being a grammar **** is a good argument when it is actually one of the worst ones out there, but sorry for Our_Last_Scene, if youŕe happy I edited and corrected my naming failure so that they should all be correct now, happy now? 

Modifié par Beta Commando, 19 novembre 2012 - 01:37 .

[Clayless]

Beta Commando wrote...

Auintus wrote...

Beta Commando wrote...

Yeah Prometheans and Protheans are a different name, but so what if I made a mistake tired at 2 am when I´m about to going to go to sleep. Since when has a spelling a word or a name made points invalid? Being grammar **** is to point out those little things that do not matter whatsoever so that you can make someone look bad. If you´d be pointing about something it would be a wrong fact I have made, not a misspelling error. There is the difference.

Chill, brother. Not that big of a deal.

I know I know, I´m just tiered as heck and itś not helping that people think being a grammar **** is a good argument when it is actually one of the worst ones out there, but sorry for Our_Last_Scene, if youŕe happy I edited and corrected my naming failure so that they should all be correct now, happy now? 

The whole points invalid thing is you being extremely defensive.

[Auintus]

AzureSky899 wrote...

Can't Collectors be reverse-engineered into Protheans once again? I just don't want this to be last MP dlc, we still need new Salarian, Turian Adept, Ex-Cerberus, plus supposedly last SP DLC is called rebirthing.....so maybe Prothean rebirth

Sure. Synthesis. Remember the husks?
Honestly, though. I don't think so. Mordin says that basically everything about them was mechanically replaced. Reconstructing entire biological systems, even using Javik as a template...it just wouldn't work.

[Auintus]

Our_Last_Scene wrote...

Beta Commando wrote...

Auintus wrote...

Beta Commando wrote...

Yeah Prometheans and Protheans are a different name, but so what if I made a mistake tired at 2 am when I´m about to going to go to sleep. Since when has a spelling a word or a name made points invalid? Being grammar **** is to point out those little things that do not matter whatsoever so that you can make someone look bad. If you´d be pointing about something it would be a wrong fact I have made, not a misspelling error. There is the difference.

Chill, brother. Not that big of a deal.

I know I know, I´m just tiered as heck and itś not helping that people think being a grammar **** is a good argument when it is actually one of the worst ones out there, but sorry for Our_Last_Scene, if youŕe happy I edited and corrected my naming failure so that they should all be correct now, happy now? 

The whole points invalid thing is you being extremely defensive.

You too. Back to your corner.

Honestly. I don't want to see Protheans in MP. Javik is the last. That's kind of his thing.
Besides, slipping up and missing one stasis sarcophagus? Forgivable. Missing several, especially considering that every intelligent race scours the galaxy for Prothean technology? Not likely.

[Stabby Badger]

This thread is a great example of why gaming communities are terrible.

[CommanderPepsi]

I'd take Protheans or any new race of characters without explanation. It's not like the MP really ties in with the SP - other than you have to play it in order to get 100% readiness, but that's more of a "keep the players playing the game for longer" strategy rather than 1 is integral to the other.

Plus the multiplayer has already broken the lore in different ways so who cares. When I play it I want to have fun and use characters that are interesting/good, I don't really care about how it does or doesn't fit the lore.

[Auintus]

CommanderPepsi wrote...
Plus the multiplayer has already broken the lore in different ways so who cares. When I play it I want to have fun and use characters that are interesting/good, I don't really care about how it does or doesn't fit the lore.

Could you point out where the lore is broken? I've heard it before, but I never found a good example.

[Queen Ultima]

oO Stryfe Oo wrote...

I'm glad someone else mentioned it. I've come across OP saying we'd only need 4 so many times it makes my head hurt. OP, I've told you so many times, you'd need a large number of Protheans introduced. I explained to you in detail in that thread that Father Superior linked why that is so, and why we currently play races/groups who's numbers are large but still unknown. Even the Justicars are viable, since we don't know their exact population.

Um... I was actually being sarcastic about there needing to be a whole race you know, but there does need to be more than four. Let's say 100 cloned Protheans, large enough for scope for multiplayer but small enough to not have a big impact on society (you need, I think, 10,000 individuals to sustain any species for an indefinite peroid of time without defects)

Modifié par Queen Ultima, 19 novembre 2012 - 02:04 .