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Why do people hate the Dwarf commoner origin?


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Borschtbeet

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I remember in a thread where people listed their least favorite origin, it seemed like the Dalish Elf origin and Dwarf Commoner origin were amongst the bottom.

Honestly, I can't dissagree with the Dalish Elf origin being pretty lousy.  Having to visit the same dungeon twice, hardly any interesting characters, etc.
The Dwarf commoner origin was pretty good though I thought.  Leske was a great character, the proving was a great scene that had me at the edge of my seat when the main character was asked to take his helmet off, and the antagonists in the Dwarf commoner storyline like Jarvia were truly despicable.  I went to Ostagar really excited to get back to Orzammar to settle the score.

The Dwarf Noble origin is still better, but the Dwarf Commoner Origin I still thought was very good.

Favorite origins from favorite to least favorite in my opinion were.

1.Human Noble
2.Dwarf Noble
3.Dwarf Commoner
4.Mage
5.City Elf
6.Dalish Elf.

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Truncated Flea

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People hate the dwarf commoner origin? :mellow:

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same for me except 1. dwarf noble, 2. dwarf commoner 3. human noble

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I liked it. For me, origin preference had a lot to do with the order in which I played them. Which would make the mage origin my favorite.



The only one that fell flat was the Dalish one, which has been dissected to death. Other than that, it's a 5-way toss up for me.

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JaegerBane

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I've tried playing both the Dwarf Noble and Human Noble origins and frankly, I thought they paled in comparison to the Mage origin. I loved that part where you finally realised what your *real* test actually was.

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Skadi_the_Evil_Elf

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I thought it was alright. The Dalish origin was by far the worst.



I do love playing a mage. First game where I prefer it to playing my normal fave calss: rogue.

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ash the rpgamer

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its not that i hate the origin, its that i cannot see past what my character looks like.



in a game like the elder scrolls oblivion there were alot more races, but in this game there are 3 and it just so happens that the 2 best romance options for a male NPC are human (Leliana and Morrigan).

me being a dwarf and romanceing them just seems laughable, especially in the cutscenes when your about 2 foot shorter lol



same with the elf really, the best character romance options are human and i much prefer it to be a same race romance, a human and a dwarf i can't take seriously.



each to their own i suppose but i much prefer human and its the only race i use on DA.

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Herr Uhl

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Because some people simply dislike dwarves for some reason. I like the dwarf origins, followed by mage the best.

Edit:

EJon wrote...

i hate all of the dwarves. Thats why i killed ogrehn and his girlfriend. those midgets think they're so tough...


Case in point.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 03 janvier 2010 - 11:13 .


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EJon

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i hate all of the dwarves. Thats why i killed ogrehn and his girlfriend. those midgets think they're so tough...

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I think I'm the only person in existance who likes the Dalish origin >.>



The ending.. it's so sad. Especially if you really explore the dialogue choices with your keeper. And realize that you're screwed, you're probably going to die in an extremely terrible way, and this human is hiding something from you that could mean your life. And everyone is so concerned for and sad that you're leaving, you can see that in the ending. It's a sense of unity you don't get in many of the other origins.



Though not going back to it is kind of disappointing

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thegreateski

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Because they can't stand the awesome that is Leske.

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I thought the origins spread out pretty easily the levels of emotional investment. If you were Dalish, you had a main quest that was personal. Same for most other origins.



I however felt that since the main story has to do with a blight in a human land, if you play any other origin, its ties to the overall main story did not feel as deep as the human origin did. As another origin, I always felt as an ally who helps the humans. It didn't feel as personal to me.



That is however an entirely siubjective thing.

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Tirigon

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Dunno. In my case, it´s because I hate Leske, I hate your mother in the commoner origin and I hate the story. It simply bored me...... Ok, the idea of manipulating the proving was nice, but fighting yourself simply didnt fit imo... And Leske, well. I free´d him in my first playthrough; now that I know him he´ll stay in prison. Ugly little sucker that he is...

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I did dwarf noble first and then followed that up with dwarf commoner. I honestly expected the second playthrough to be similar since I had "been there, done that" already, but I was floored at how different the commoner origin was. The entire playthrough had a different tone. The motivations for the character was vastly different than the noble (picking an Orzammar king is most obvious). There was much more emotional investment with the starting characters -- I thought it was so sweet, in an absurd way, that my sister was spreading her legs so I wouldn't have to. Wow, that's family for ya! You can spend the whole game as a noble swearing to come back for revenge for your misfortune or as a commoner you can set out for the better life that your sister always wanted for you. (One of the parting lines is, "Go. Tell Duncan you're ready to be something more than a ****'s little sister.") Even the ending is great when you see her again and you're marveling at how well two nobodies from Dust Town have done.



And I agree -- the Provings scene where you do the big reveal was the best Duncan moment. It really felt like he wanted you for your skills instead of him just conveniently around to rescue you when you fall into misfortune.

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Dwarf Commoner is better if you're a female.



imho of course but the dialogue is more interesting.

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ejoslin

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Dwarf commoner is awesome. Who doesn't like it?

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Layn

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ash the rpgamer wrote...

me being a dwarf and romanceing them just seems laughable, especially in the cutscenes when your about 2 foot shorter lol

same with the elf really, the best character romance options are human and i much prefer it to be a same race romance, a human and a dwarf i can't take seriously.

each to their own i suppose but i much prefer human and its the only race i use on DA.

hey thats racist!

or something

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Meh. The Dwarves started falling flat shortly after the Origin half-way point.  The stories themselves are not too bad, but....

ELVES FTW!

Modifié par A Golden Dragon, 04 janvier 2010 - 12:27 .


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ReubenLiew

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I assume for the same reason why they don't like the Dalish Origin.

Because they're not human. Dirty, stinking, xeno-scum.

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It certainly wasn't as good as the Dwarf Noble or City Elf. I think it's because nothing extraordinary happens. Fighting in a Proving as a casteless doesn't have the same emotional impact that a massive betrayal or wedding kidnapping/rape does.



It's not bad, just overshadowed, I think.

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robertthebard

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I actually liked the Dalish Origin. My first time through was sort of, um, abrupt, because I missed fully 3/4's of it, but in subsequent playthroughs, I have learned a lot about the Dalish that I might have missed in any other origin.



I didn't particularly hate the dwarf origins, although I have barely finished the noble one, and had only finished the Commoner once. Then I broke my game with the toolset and before I found out I could fix it, I had deleted them all and uninstalled the game. But that was because I didn't want to come here, and get spoiled, and I knew I would if logged into the forums.

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SusanStoHelit

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I liked them all, even the Dalish one. It was less dramatic than some of the others, but it was the only one where I felt my character had a place, fitted in, was valued and liked for who and what they were. The next closest in that regard was the Human Noble. In all the others, the character is a victim in some way or other, to varying extents. So it was the only one, again, other than Human Noble, where there was any pathos in leaving it behind. For all the others, they're better off as a Grey Warden.

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thegreateski

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See? No one can handle the awesome of Leske.

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"The last time I saw your majesty, the scepter was a litte... soft."

"Hmph, I thought you would've forgotten about that... *grumble*"



Leske is funny. xD

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SusanStoHelit wrote...

I liked them all, even the Dalish one. It was less dramatic than some of the others, but it was the only one where I felt my character had a place, fitted in, was valued and liked for who and what they were. The next closest in that regard was the Human Noble. In all the others, the character is a victim in some way or other, to varying extents. So it was the only one, again, other than Human Noble, where there was any pathos in leaving it behind. For all the others, they're better off as a Grey Warden.


Agreed!  I liked them all, all great, But for someone used to play an elven archer for some 5 years on NWN mplayer... it is an awesome origin!