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[Abriael_CG]

Darth_Trethon wrote...

More nonsense complaints? I mean what's the next senseless complaint to show up.....why doesn't the game allow sharp pencils to be used as weapons? Or rather why there aren't any pencils in the game? Just when you think you've heard the silliest and most meaningless complaint imaginable a thread like this pops up and forces me to reconsider just how much the average human can take before starting to whine. The words "cry me a river" come to mind.

Someone's a fanboy.

You know, people have different tastes, and some people happen to give a different value to different elements. What can seem a "nonsense" complaint to you, can be something of importance for others.  To be honest i happen to find your post quite laughable on how much you get bent out of shape for a simple out of a simple mild complaint. Seriously, get a grip mate, and lay off on the coffee.

Modifié par Abriael_CG, 04 janvier 2010 - 12:40 .

[MOTpoetryION]

well if using pencils , go for the eyes lol

[Sarielle]

I will be my own heavily armored female once I unlock arcane warrior.



I don't see it as necessarily sexist...other bioware games have had armored females...I'd still kill for Aribeth's armor in NWN

[Abriael_CG]

Sarielle wrote...

I will be my own heavily armored female once I unlock arcane warrior.

I don't see it as necessarily sexist...other bioware games have had armored females...I'd still kill for Aribeth's armor in NWN

Oh i didn't imply it being in any way sexist. Maybe they've been swayed by cliches, but i doubt it was intentilnally sexist given that you see a lot of female warriors as non playable NPCs.

[JJM152]

Sarielle wrote...

I will be my own heavily armored female once I unlock arcane warrior.

I don't see it as necessarily sexist...other bioware games have had armored females...I'd still kill for Aribeth's armor in NWN

Ah, Aribeth's armor... high res 3d with extra jiggle factor. Yes... charge those darkspawn!! RUN! *bounce bounce bounce*

[AntiChri5]

Just had a funny thought, what if if was female companion as in Firefly? Ouch! Armour!

[Sarielle]

JJM152 wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

I will be my own heavily armored female once I unlock arcane warrior.

I don't see it as necessarily sexist...other bioware games have had armored females...I'd still kill for Aribeth's armor in NWN

Ah, Aribeth's armor... high res 3d with extra jiggle factor. Yes... charge those darkspawn!! RUN! *bounce bounce bounce*

>_< You shouldn't jiggle in plate. I'm just sayin'.

[The Capital Gaultier]

Sarielle wrote...

JJM152 wrote...

Sarielle wrote...

I will be my own heavily armored female once I unlock arcane warrior.

I don't see it as necessarily sexist...other bioware games have had armored females...I'd still kill for Aribeth's armor in NWN

Ah, Aribeth's armor... high res 3d with extra jiggle factor. Yes... charge those darkspawn!! RUN! *bounce bounce bounce*

>_< You shouldn't jiggle in plate. I'm just sayin'.

Breastplates shouldn't have cups, either - but who's complainin'!?

[Kerad Kralc]

Oh, Aribeth, I think I'm still in love with her....I would pay another $50.00 just to have her back in a DLC....

[Sarielle]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...
Breastplates shouldn't have cups, either - but who's complainin'!?

...touche.

[shree420]

Yeah, this bugs me about this otherwise great game as well. Break the stereotypes, Bioware. Go for a female warrior, or a male mage. Romancing one would be a bonus. DLC?

It's been heartbreak highway, really, as far as this one requirement is concerned.

Saw Aribeth in NWN, figured, hey a potential romance! Her lover is dead, come to me arms. Not going to happen.

In the months before DA:O, spent some time on forums, saw Ser Cauthrien in demo, figured: hey, principled paladin-girl! Kick-ass and hot to boot. Severely disappointed.

Morrigan and Leliana are good romantic companions, but the mage and rogue options have been done to death. I seriously plan on making an Arcane Warrior male mage and a Champion female warrior romances once I have some free time and get the hang of the toolset.

Was also surprised at the complete lack of elvish love for the males( well, the straight option). BG2: SoA had three elven female romances; DA:O has none. Agree re: creative impulses, but surely creating a good mix of classes and races is par for the game format? No one would've minded if this was a book.

Modifié par shree420, 04 janvier 2010 - 07:23 .

[AntiChri5]

The Books have plenty of Plate clad beauties (and not so beauties) so we know Gaider has nothing against them.

[Rainen89]

Prolefeed wrote...

IDK, I think you could argue that Dwarven culture is heading in just that direction. Aside from (according to Sten) the Qunari, the Dwarves seem to be the most sexist people in the game. I noticed several "put that female in her place"-type comments when my brother played the Dwarven Noble origin as a male.

The funny, well I dunno if funny but strange part is that if you play a female dwarven noble the same npc says how amazing and crowd pleasing it was to see two females of such skill fight in the arena. Yet if you're a male and win i's a crowd pleaser to beat her and "put that woman in her place". So the sexism is definitely there but they sure do like to hide it.

[Schneidend]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

Breastplates shouldn't have cups, either - but who's complainin'!?

Well, they could if the armor was specifically crafted to fit a woman. It's just that, historically, women didn't typically fight, so this never happened.

Anyway, yeah, this is a part of the game the bugged me, as well. I'm glad the Bioware writers came up with characters organically, but it still would have been nice if one of the four Warrior NPCs available had been a female soldier type. I'd rather have seen a romanceable female Qunari than Sten, to be honest, even as cool as Sten is.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Interesting... I hadn't thought about it since my character WAS the the armour-wearing, sword-slashing female. I admit it would be nice to see an increased number of 'dedicated' female warriors (as more than cursory/token characters or minor NPCs) in the fantasy genre in general, but I am not going to complain overmuch about Dragon Age.



Probably the only thing that stood out most to me were the battle cutscenes, and the complete(?) absence of women except for a chantry priestess and Ser what'shername. Please correct me if I saw wrong, though.



I can't say it really bothered me at all, but perhaps I've just gotten used to females being typecast as light-fighters and casters. So long as my character can be anything, I'll be happy.



Oh, and I must say kudos for the female armour not being ridiculously revealing as seems to be the norm...

[sassperella]

I find it more annoying that you only get one good healer for the game and that's wynne. Yes I can spec morrigan into spirit healer at 14 (I'm on a console so can't use any mods) but until then she's pretty lame at healing by comparison. I really think there should have been two dedicated healers to choose from as it's a really really important roll and I get so sick of wynne's preaching after a while.

Oh well I suppos I can always leave them at camp making potions for the rest of my party to chug so I don't need a healer

Modifié par sassperella, 04 janvier 2010 - 11:34 .

[FlintlockJazz]

I agree with the OP, I've had enough of the butch male warrior and prancy female sorceress roles, and it's not just BioWare guilty of it, since when did it become the norm that all mages had to be female (especially if they're young) while all warriors had to be male? I want my Red Sonyas and Merlin's Apprentices back please!

[ash the rpgamer]

Abriael_CG wrote...

I have basically only one complaint about Dragon Age Origins, and that's that Bioware went according to Stan's beliefs when creating their female companions. Two are mages, one is a rogue. There's no female warrior companion in the game (and no male mage, by the way).

Personally, I happen to find ladies in heavy armor carrying big weapons definitely appealing, and the lack of such an option for a companion kinda left me wanting.  I feel that they should have been a lil more even with the gender/class associations for companions, and hopefully their will be in their following productions.

Maybe I should start planning a mod to turn Alistair in a lady lol. It doesn't seem to be incredibly complex to do, even if doing all that voice acting anew would be a big load of work . At least the name would easily fit a female so I wouldn't need to change the lines that refer to him...
It's something to be considered for the future...

personally i prefer Leliana scantily clad in light leather armor, which offers protection and still shows some cleavage

[Ishbo]

I agree with the OP, I've had enough of the butch male warrior and
prancy female sorceress roles, and it's not just BioWare guilty of it,
since when did it become the norm that all mages had to be female
(especially if they're young) while all warriors had to be male? I want
my Red Sonyas and Merlin's Apprentices back please!

There are plenty of male mages and female warrior NPCs, you just don't get to fight with them..

I think Bioware decided to choose characters that would be the most interesting and would give the best story, rather than giving us a completely balanced party.
Thus the heavy bias towards humans and warriors, instead of having 3 dwarves, 3 humans and 3 elves all with their 3 respective classes.

[Taritu]

Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Interesting... I hadn't thought about it since my character WAS the the armour-wearing, sword-slashing female. I admit it would be nice to see an increased number of 'dedicated' female warriors (as more than cursory/token characters or minor NPCs) in the fantasy genre in general, but I am not going to complain overmuch about Dragon Age.

Probably the only thing that stood out most to me were the battle cutscenes, and the complete(?) absence of women except for a chantry priestess and Ser what'shername. Please correct me if I saw wrong, though.

I can't say it really bothered me at all, but perhaps I've just gotten used to females being typecast as light-fighters and casters. So long as my character can be anything, I'll be happy.

Oh, and I must say kudos for the female armour not being ridiculously revealing as seems to be the norm...

there were quite a few women in the battle at Ostagar cut scene, actually. Not a majority, but definitely there.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Taritu wrote...

there were quite a few women in the battle at Ostagar cut scene, actually. Not a majority, but definitely there.

I'll have to look more closely next time.

[FlintlockJazz]

Ishbo wrote...

I agree with the OP, I've had enough of the butch male warrior and
prancy female sorceress roles, and it's not just BioWare guilty of it,
since when did it become the norm that all mages had to be female
(especially if they're young) while all warriors had to be male? I want
my Red Sonyas and Merlin's Apprentices back please!

There are plenty of male mages and female warrior NPCs, you just don't get to fight with them..

I think Bioware decided to choose characters that would be the most interesting and would give the best story, rather than giving us a completely balanced party.
Thus the heavy bias towards humans and warriors, instead of having 3 dwarves, 3 humans and 3 elves all with their 3 respective classes.

Yet somehow they have managed to go with the stereotypes still, and done it in several games now.  Of all the NPCs in BG2 the only male mage out of the whole lot was Edwin, an evil mage, while the rest were female and the closest you could get to a warrior woman was Jaheira, a druid. 

I also disagree that Bioware went for the best story, they pretty much had 'token' characters of each race, aka Zevran, Oghren and Sten, with Zevran fulfiling the role of token and elf and token Antivan.  As much as I like Oghren, he is pretty much unnecessary storywise once you have completed the Deep Roads.

And in regards to there being warrior women who are not joinable, they are pretty much inconsequential grunts except for *SPOILER ALERT* Ser Cauthrien who appears a couple of times and is pretty much an idiot.  The companions need more mixing up for the sake of the story.

Modifié par FlintlockJazz, 04 janvier 2010 - 12:56 .

[Ishbo]

I also disagree that Bioware went for the best story, they pretty much
had 'token' characters of each race, aka Zevran, Oghren and Sten, with
Zevran fulfiling the role of token and elf and token Antivan.  As much
as I like Oghren, he is pretty much unnecessary storywise once you have
completed the Deep Roads.

That's what I mean though, token elf Zevran is used to represent elves, the Antivans and mercenaries/spies. If he was a mage there would be redundancy with Wynne, who you would then have to redesign, and you wouldn't get all the information about Zevran's world.

I'm guessing Bioware probably crafted out Alistair (who needs to be a templar, storywise), Leliana (who needs to be a bard, storywise) and Morrigan first (who needs to be a shapeshifter, storywise), then made all the other characters afterwards, which then kind of fill the missing spots. There are redundancies, like Sten and Oghren, but both are supposed to be mean, tough guys, they can't really be rogues or mages.
You could go all the way, and say why not have a female Alistair and a male Leliana, but that's just the way it is.

I don't even know why I'm defending Bioware.

[Callie K]

This thread would be a concern...if it were true.  All I can say on this forum is make sure you play all the content!  And also that I'm absolutely thrilled with what Bioware did thar.

(But, no, no, before your mind start's going places, Sten and Oghren are not cross dressers or anything.)

[Cybercat999]

Abriael_CG wrote...
Maybe I should start planning a mod to turn Alistair in a lady lol. It doesn't seem to be incredibly complex to do, even if doing all that voice acting anew would be a big load of work . At least the name would easily fit a female so I wouldn't need to change the lines that refer to him...
It's something to be considered for the future...

Yes. Please.
I really love to play mage and my Morrigan is a great healer and Leli is just too good to miss for romancing. Only that stupid Alistair sticks like a sore finger in my all girls group. I want lady tank without having to play one.