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[DirtySHISN0]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Yate wrote...

Destroying the Geth is not genocide and no amount of fan whining will change that fact my opinion.

Different people have different opinions and that's ok.

No, it's not. Everyone needs to agree with me.

This human understands.

[Yate]

Deleting all my files and smashing my monitor doesn't kill my computer. It will still work.

[Bill Casey]

xsdob wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

It's collateral genocide...

I'm sure the ones who get mass murdered simply for existing feel so much better with that excuse.

Oh wait, no they don't, because the dead do not feel anything.

On the bright side though, they probably won't bear any ill will towards you, since they'll be dead and thus have no ability to have an opinion.

What excuse?

[xsdob]

Yate wrote...

cyrexwingblade wrote...

Yate wrote...

destroying the geth is not genocide, and no amount of fan whining will change that fact

Your xenophobia doesn't make it not genocide, no matter how much hyper-cynical whining you spew onto the forums.

What about if you hit a magic off button that deactivated all geth momentarily? Would that be genocide? Or are you willing to accept that computers are different from people?

Well that's the differnce between knocking people unconcious and killing them.

If I made it so that they could never be powered back on by destorying their circutry and wiring completly, what would you call that?

[EnvyTB075]

There are a number of logical loopholes that you can "use" to headcanon their survival, and once you do that its all ok.

[xsdob]

Bill Casey wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

It's collateral genocide...

I'm sure the ones who get mass murdered simply for existing feel so much better with that excuse.

Oh wait, no they don't, because the dead do not feel anything.

On the bright side though, they probably won't bear any ill will towards you, since they'll be dead and thus have no ability to have an opinion.

What excuse?

That becasue it's colateral, it's okay to do.

Or were you not implying that? Because if so, than I probably misinterpureted what you posed.

[xsdob]

And to answer the op's question, I blame lance henriksen and his great narration.

[DirtySHISN0]

Yate wrote...

Deleting all my files and smashing my monitor doesn't kill my computer. It will still work.

Implying you dont think synthetics are alive.

Well thats just like, your opinion man.

[Bill Casey]

None of the endings are okay things to do...
Destroy is the least evil...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 20 novembre 2012 - 12:04 .

[KingZayd]

xsdob wrote...

KingZayd wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I think destroy is a waste of two species, reapers and geth, both of which can survive and leave in peaceful co-existence in the control ending without splicing the universe together.

That and I feel it was shepards destiny to either become the godhero of the universe or manage it while almost dying, so really either choice works for me.

BTW my shepard got out of the rubble and reuinited with my LI because I said so, end of that discussion.

Reapers are a waste of many species. They also have made no attempts to be peaceful at all. There is no issue with killing the Reapers.

The Geth are a different matter.

After the control ending, that's why I used past tense in my sentence structure. Sorry if you don't speak english as a first language, as that's happened before and was very embarassing when I corrected that person, but that statement was meant to state that the reapers after control ending can live in peaceful co-existence with the rest of the galaxy, and that it doens't require fusing everyone's dna to do so.

There is a bit of an issue, which is that the reapers themselves may have been forced into obeying the catalyst, with the expection of a few reapers who may have had a genetic variable that made them more individualistic in reaper form such as harbinger, rather that doing this for their own pleasure or satisfaction.

Had they been indoctrinated, this would be like charging everyone who ends up under leviathans control for what they did while under their influence. If they are more hive mind like in nature, than this would be like trying to kill off an entire county and all it's populace becasue of a single individual, which is not okay. And if they are completly mindless, than this is like destroying all cars, or all guns in the world, becasue of a single individual who used one to commit crimes.

That's my view on it though, but I do see the destroy point of view, and that's why I have it as a cannon ending as well.

The issue is that you don't have any assurances that the Reapers will be peaceful. The ones we've spoken with certainly don't seem to like us Organics. All we have is the one who manipulates the Reapers (who up to now were the most insidious puppet masters we knew of), telling us that unlike that dude downstairs who's now dead and who was being admittedly controlled by him, that we can do it because we're totally not being manipulated.

The way I see it is: We need the Crucible to destroy the Reapers. We have 1 Crucible. Synthesis and Control leave the Reapers (who we can't really trust at this point to be peaceful) around but no Crucible. Meaning that if our trust is misplaced, the galaxy is screwed.

And then there's the issue of giving Shepard who is already pretty much unstoppable, absolute power for eternity. He's a good guy, but I don't think we could trust anyone with that.

[Eterna]

EnvyTB075 wrote...

There are a number of logical loopholes that you can "use" to headcanon their survival, and once you do that its all ok.

I'm not into denial headcannon. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Yate wrote...

Destroying the Geth is not genocide and no amount of fan whining will change that fact my opinion.

Different people have different opinions and that's ok.

No, it's not. Everyone needs to agree with me.

I just hope you don't agree with the dude who thinks all people who'd (possibly) support Synthesis should die. 

[Bill Casey]

Eterna5 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

There are a number of logical loopholes that you can "use" to headcanon their survival, and once you do that its all ok.

I'm not into denial headcannon. 

bahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Dunabar]

Only one person needed to die in my canon shepard game. That's all thanks in part to the fact that I shot legion. His people made the choice to side with the enemy, his people paid the price for siding with the enemy. So only one person had to die in order to save the galaxy, you will be missed EDI.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

HYR 2.0 wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

DirtySHISN0 wrote...

Yate wrote...

Destroying the Geth is not genocide and no amount of fan whining will change that fact my opinion.

Different people have different opinions and that's ok.

No, it's not. Everyone needs to agree with me.

I just hope you don't agree with the dude who thinks all people who'd (possibly) support Synthesis should die. 

Of course I do.

  

[Reorte]

xsdob wrote...

That becasue it's colateral, it's okay to do.

Or were you not implying that? Because if so, than I probably misinterpureted what you posed.

Of course it's OK... if you don't have a less disgusting alternative, and not just in the short term. Of course that relies on managing to persuade people that the other alternatives are even worse. The only unambigous statement is that you've killed. That is the only fact. Words like murder, manslaughter, and genocide all require consideration of motivation, intent, and so on. That's why courts are still needed when these things come up even when the facts are completely known and agreed upon by all concerned.

[Yate]

geth aren't alive

[KingZayd]

Yate wrote...

geth aren't alive

quarians aren't alive

[Eterna]

Bill Casey wrote...

Eterna5 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

There are a number of logical loopholes that you can "use" to headcanon their survival, and once you do that its all ok.

I'm not into denial headcannon. 

bahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I feel like you're mocking me, I'm not sure why.

[DirtySHISN0]

Dunabar wrote...

Only one person needed to die in my canon shepard game. That's all thanks in part to the fact that I shot legion. His people made the choice to side with the enemy, his people paid the price for siding with the enemy. So only one person had to die in order to save the galaxy, you will be missed EDI.

we have 3 options facing us.

Ask organics for help and be killed.
Do nothing and be killed.
Ask reapers for help or be killed.


Its a shame cerberus isn't recruiting, shepard might not mind that  so much.

[EnvyTB075]

Eterna5 wrote...

EnvyTB075 wrote...

There are a number of logical loopholes that you can "use" to headcanon their survival, and once you do that its all ok.

I'm not into denial headcannon. 

Its not denial, its "wtf just happened and how can i make sense of it" headcanon.

Wave of light only controls Reapers in Control, not all other AI's. If the Crucible doesn't discriminate, why don't you control ALL AI's in control? It has the power to affect only Reapers, so it can do so in Destroy as well. Logic.

EDI and Geth represented only by physical platforms. We however know better and know that they don't exist wholly within their physical platforms and no evidence is given to suggest that at their basic form (software) they're gone. Logic.

The beam could only affect AI's using Reaper code, but that would have been defined by the catalyst, so if it were that powerful as to wipe the advanced programming of a "normal" AI (i.e one not based on Reaper code), then what would it do to basic systems such as running water, flushing a toilet, opening a door and most importantly of all flying a ship. Logic.

[Nykara]

It actually kind of is genocide when you have 2 other options that don't involve killing off an entire race (like the Geth) but do achieve the goal in stopping the war with the Reapers.

It's not genocide in the case of ME1 where an entire race was destroyed to stop a threat to the rest of the galaxy. You could either let the threat continue and possibly kill far more then the 1 species that was wiped or you wipe that one species before the threat goes any further. They then become unfortunate but necessary casualties of war.