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[lazuli]

What kept me with the series was the universe they created. ME3's ending shot that to pieces. I'll keep an open mind about further games, though.

[Yate]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Yate wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

Yate wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

In my honest opinion...I feel that if the ending ruins the entire series for you...then you weren't that much of a fan of the Mass Effect series and universe to begin with.

Saw your post, had to pick you out of the bunch David - sorry. A true fan knows when to speak up and lash out at the thing he or she is a fan of. I don't fear the backlash because the developers NEED to understand the **** up they just made. I spent years playing this series, getting into its story, enjoying it, and calling it probably the second best game / franchise ever created - and standing up for it whenever a critic bashed it (with logical debates). But when the producers/developers spit in your face not once, not twice, but three whole times THEN expect us to like it and lick it up - I come out and go ""Yeah okay how about no"". I'm a true fan because I have always existed as a lover of a good story, I still love Mass Effect BUT I will not just sit there while a company ****s itself out and becomes a corporation that doesn't give a **** about its fans. Sure - maybe you think you're a fan - but a real fan would have no problem standing up for the thing they are a fan of. And yeah I said standing up - because I'm not knocking the game, I'm knocking the developers and saying ""you ****ed up, fix it and make it right"".

The reason we fans are doing this is mainly due to EAware having the nerve to make an extended cut that is basically saying ""HUR HUR DON'T LIKE OUR ENDINGS? LETS TAKE A FAT DUMP ON THEIR FACES "" when in reality if they could spend that much time working on a ****ty piece of **** extended cut - they could have damn well spent time working on a brand new ending UNLESS they really are planning a major come back with 4 / 5 / 6 and having Shepard in it (Like with that ****ty series Halo - how MC was 100% confirmed gone at 3 but then brought back at 4). Now I seriously doubt EAware is this bright to actually pull such a move, but considering there is evidance to suggest the possibility of that (larger than normal dlc files that aren't as large IN GAME as they are PHYSICALLY) I won't leave it as a confirmed kill yet.

Still - if you are a fan - stand up and find the balls to help Mass Effect stay the ****ing course. Don't settle for EAware porking you in the chocolate starfish like some of these dumb mother ****ers do.

you got the EC. good job. now shut up and let the rest of us enjoy the game.

Oh so you like being **** on huh? Tell you what, I have this great game for gaming wannabe's like yourself its called Call of Duty. Maybe you should invest your time into that and stop ****ing up Mass Effect. Filth like you aren't considered gamers when you hop on a bandwagon just for the mulitplayer.

I've been a fan since ME1. And I'll continue being a fan. If you want to only play ME1/ME2, that's fine, have fun.

Buddy you have a signature that states "Mass Effect 3 deserves better servers" - you're a ****ing half-wit liar. You're a troll who enjoys rubbing your throat as a brown trout gentle trickles down it.

The chances of ME3 getting better servers is infinitely better than the chances of a different ending.

[Yate]

Or are you trying to argue that playing MP means I'm not a real fan?

[LeVaughnX]

Yate wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Yate wrote...

you got the EC. good job. now shut up and let the rest of us enjoy the game.

Really? Who's stopping you? Get off the message board and go play the game. That's right, trolling is more fun than Mass Effect, admit it. 

Not 'more' fun.

And asking people to stop complaining about something they've been complaining about for months is not trolling.

Right so I'll find you on political websites telling Israel and Gaza to stop complaining after a hundred years of complaining? Orrrr maybe on random news sites in general telling people to stop complaining about whose the president? Or maybe even still I'll see you doing this on Youtube or Newgrounds or some other site - saying ""Oh stop complaining"" about something musical or game based? No - you're targeting this thread because you're a butt hurt little troll. Go home, go play your ****ty games and leave Mass Effect alone since you aren't intelligent enough nor do you care enough about it.

[LilLino]

It didn't destroy an entire trilogy. I'm sorry OP feels that way.

[TheTrueObelus]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Yate wrote...

you got the EC. good job. now shut up and let the rest of us enjoy the game.

Really? Who's stopping you? Get off the message board and go play the game. That's right, trolling is more fun than Mass Effect, admit it. 

Haha so true.

[LeVaughnX]

LilLino wrote...

It didn't destroy an entire trilogy. I'm sorry OP feels that way.

You also didn't play the trilogy / start at Mass Effect 1 - so you don't count.

[CDR David Shepard]

LeVaughnX wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

In my honest opinion...I feel that if the ending ruins the entire series for you...then you weren't that much of a fan of the Mass Effect series and universe to begin with.

Saw your post, had to pick you out of the bunch David - sorry. A true fan knows when to speak up and lash out at the thing he or she is a fan of. I don't fear the backlash because the developers NEED to understand the **** up they just made. I spent years playing this series, getting into its story, enjoying it, and calling it probably the second best game / franchise ever created - and standing up for it whenever a critic bashed it (with logical debates). But when the producers/developers spit in your face not once, not twice, but three whole times THEN expect us to like it and lick it up - I come out and go ""Yeah okay how about no"". I'm a true fan because I have always existed as a lover of a good story, I still love Mass Effect BUT I will not just sit there while a company ****s itself out and becomes a corporation that doesn't give a **** about its fans. Sure - maybe you think you're a fan - but a real fan would have no problem standing up for the thing they are a fan of. And yeah I said standing up - because I'm not knocking the game, I'm knocking the developers and saying ""you ****ed up, fix it and make it right"".

The reason we fans are doing this is mainly due to EAware having the nerve to make an extended cut that is basically saying ""HUR HUR DON'T LIKE OUR ENDINGS? LETS TAKE A FAT DUMP ON THEIR FACES "" when in reality if they could spend that much time working on a ****ty piece of **** extended cut - they could have damn well spent time working on a brand new ending UNLESS they really are planning a major come back with 4 / 5 / 6 and having Shepard in it (Like with that ****ty series Halo - how MC was 100% confirmed gone at 3 but then brought back at 4). Now I seriously doubt EAware is this bright to actually pull such a move, but considering there is evidance to suggest the possibility of that (larger than normal dlc files that aren't as large IN GAME as they are PHYSICALLY) I won't leave it as a confirmed kill yet.

Still - if you are a fan - stand up and find the balls to help Mass Effect stay the ****ing course. Don't settle for EAware porking you in the chocolate starfish like some of these dumb mother ****ers do.

I definitely understand your points and your reasoning...and they are valid.

Granted, most people obviously don't like EC as well...but we have it because people stood up and said they didn't like the original endings...and I'm glad they did.

My main point was that...the EC ending should not completely ruin the whole entire Mass Effect series and universe for someone...and if it did...then maybe said person wasn't that big of a fan to begin with.

I can see why some people would want to argue against my statement...but I honestly believe it to be valid.

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 20 novembre 2012 - 07:35 .

[Maxster_]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

I definitely understand your points and your reasoning...and they are valid.

Granted, most people obviously don't like EC as well...but we have it because people stood up and said they didn't like the original endings...and I'm glad they did.

My main point was that...the EC ending should not completely ruin the whole entire Mass Effect series and universe for someone...and if it did...then maybe said person wasn't that big of a fan to begin with.

I can see why some people would want to argue against my statement...but I honestly believe it to be valid.

Sure. EAWare can do no wrong.

[Yate]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Yate wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Yate wrote...

you got the EC. good job. now shut up and let the rest of us enjoy the game.

Really? Who's stopping you? Get off the message board and go play the game. That's right, trolling is more fun than Mass Effect, admit it. 

Not 'more' fun.

And asking people to stop complaining about something they've been complaining about for months is not trolling.

Right so I'll find you on political websites telling Israel and Gaza to stop complaining after a hundred years of complaining? Orrrr maybe on random news sites in general telling people to stop complaining about whose the president? Or maybe even still I'll see you doing this on Youtube or Newgrounds or some other site - saying ""Oh stop complaining"" about something musical or game based? No - you're targeting this thread because you're a butt hurt little troll. Go home, go play your ****ty games and leave Mass Effect alone since you aren't intelligent enough nor do you care enough about it.

I don't enjoy hanging out on news sites like that. I do enjoy hanging out on these forums.

I would say that my persistence proves I do care about ME, but you don't seem to get that anyone could actually appreciate ME3, so in your mind I'm doing this out of spite. Please stop projecting your own emotions onto me.

[Yate]

LeVaughnX wrote...

LilLino wrote...

It didn't destroy an entire trilogy. I'm sorry OP feels that way.

You also didn't play the trilogy / start at Mass Effect 1 - so you don't count.

This is actually your biggest fallacy. You want everything you assumed about the universe back in ME1 to be true. It's not. The ending doesn't conflict with anything in ME1 or ME2, I've played through the entire saga since EC and it works.

Don't try and control the story. Just relax and enjoy the ride.

[LeVaughnX]

The original Mass Effect 3 endings made Mass Effect 2 and 1 and all of 3 leading up to it feel like it was worthless. It left a feeling of ""Why the **** would they put this out there? Fix the plot holes and give us something that has feeling - that feels epic - that feels good even if we gotta say goodbye to Shepard"". It's not about wanting more, its about wanting closure that is proper closure - not just ""HURHUR BAI"". It went against all logic, all rhyme and all reason - the ending was a major foul up. I'm sorry but in "in-game" context it was even heavily flawed - they basically removed the years of experience Shepard had and replaced it with ""DURRR DO NOT COMPUTE"" at the last minute.

The extended cut wasn't even close to being better. The only thing it did was show that Harbinger didn't blow up the Normandy for some reason or another - and that Joker is a **** for not shooting Harbinger down instead of coming for the Evac. I mean hell, if the original Normandy had enough fire power to take on Nazara then why couldn't it have provided some form of cover with hit and run tactics on Harbinger with heavily upgraded weapons that far outweighed the ones from ME1 or 2? Seriously the ending plot holes in and out of game are numerous - and illogical considering how well the rest of the game was. The fact that it all goes unaddressed AND that EAware decided ""Hey lets put in more plot holes, not fix anything, and spit on our fanbase"" was a good idea - makes it even worse.


Lemme put it this way. If you get a burger at the same burger joint from when you were 5 till when you had kids - only to learn that someone whose worked there the same length of time just spit on your burgers - it would not only make you sick but it would make your memory tarnished.

[LeVaughnX]

Yate wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

LilLino wrote...

It didn't destroy an entire trilogy. I'm sorry OP feels that way.

You also didn't play the trilogy / start at Mass Effect 1 - so you don't count.

This is actually your biggest fallacy. You want everything you assumed about the universe back in ME1 to be true. It's not. The ending doesn't conflict with anything in ME1 or ME2, I've played through the entire saga since EC and it works.

Don't try and control the story. Just relax and enjoy the ride.

Okay we've established you're a troll, but that last statement just reinforced that fact. One of the biggest highlights of the series is that the story is in some way controlled BY YOU. Are you that dense? I don't think I can comprehend responding to you anymore, you're just a walk talking oxymoron - it's ****ing annoying.

Modifié par LeVaughnX, 20 novembre 2012 - 07:42 .

[KingZayd]

Yate wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

LilLino wrote...

It didn't destroy an entire trilogy. I'm sorry OP feels that way.

You also didn't play the trilogy / start at Mass Effect 1 - so you don't count.

This is actually your biggest fallacy. You want everything you assumed about the universe back in ME1 to be true. It's not. The ending doesn't conflict with anything in ME1 or ME2, I've played through the entire saga since EC and it works.

Don't try and control the story. Just relax and enjoy the ride.

Play through the series again.

Maybe then you'll find the conflicts.

[TheTrueObelus]

Yate wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

LilLino wrote...

It didn't destroy an entire trilogy. I'm sorry OP feels that way.

You also didn't play the trilogy / start at Mass Effect 1 - so you don't count.

This is actually your biggest fallacy. You want everything you assumed about the universe back in ME1 to be true. It's not. The ending doesn't conflict with anything in ME1 or ME2, I've played through the entire saga since EC and it works.

Don't try and control the story. Just relax and enjoy the ride.

Except the ending does conflict so either you lied about playing through the entire saga or you weren't paying attention.

Or you're just trolling.

[Seival]

dasGleamer, you are whining...

...Maybe this picture will help you to change your mind:

[Almostfaceman]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

I definitely understand your points and your reasoning...and they are valid.

Granted, most people obviously don't like EC as well...but we have it because people stood up and said they didn't like the original endings...and I'm glad they did.

My main point was that...the EC ending should not completely ruin the whole entire Mass Effect series and universe for someone...and if it did...then maybe said person wasn't that big of a fan to begin with.

I can see why some people would want to argue against my statement...but I honestly believe it to be valid.

Anecdotally, most of those who agree with me and don't like the ending (pre/post EC) are like me - people who have invested a lot of time and money in the series. Thus the disappointment is commensurate with all that time and money. So, I'm not sure where you're deriving your measure of "wasn't that big of a fan". It seems like it's just because they don't share your perspective. Investing a lot of time and money in something entertaining is a universally accepted measure of being a big fan of something.  

[Mylia Stenetch]

LeVaughnX wrote...

LilLino wrote...

It didn't destroy an entire trilogy. I'm sorry OP feels that way.

You also didn't play the trilogy / start at Mass Effect 1 - so you don't count.

I played them starting at ME1. Sure the ending was bad, but I accepted the EC and made some head cannon. I am still able to play the games and enjoy them for the escapsim that games are suppose to do. Do I not count now cause of that?

[LeVaughnX]

Seival wrote...

dasGleamer, you are whining...

...Maybe this picture will help you to change your mind:

Hi Mr or Mrs Reaper, can I get a side of Indoctrination with your theory?

[LeVaughnX]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

LilLino wrote...

It didn't destroy an entire trilogy. I'm sorry OP feels that way.

You also didn't play the trilogy / start at Mass Effect 1 - so you don't count.

I played them starting at ME1. Sure the ending was bad, but I accepted the EC and made some head cannon. I am still able to play the games and enjoy them for the escapsim that games are suppose to do. Do I not count now cause of that?

If you played them starting at Mass Effect 1, enjoyed them all - and played to the very end without making Religious suggestions, Gay/Bi suggestions, or generally didn't try to change the game for the worse - then you aren't as bad as the supporters of the ending but the fact that you accept the ending still makes you a poor fan. Not a bad fan, but a poor fan since you're basically accepting the fact that one person can't change the world - when in realtiy you are the catalyst to change. Without people complaining and pushing the issue - it cannot be heard - if it isn't heard then no one cares. Sometimes they don't care anyway, but regardless of that - its better to not accept something that is a slap in the face than to accept it.

[Seival]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Seival wrote...

dasGleamer, you are whining...

...Maybe this picture will help you to change your mind:

Hi Mr or Mrs Reaper, can I get a side of Indoctrination with your theory?

There is no indoctrination. The is only the ending.

[CDR David Shepard]

Almostfaceman wrote...

CDR David Shepard wrote...

I definitely understand your points and your reasoning...and they are valid.

Granted, most people obviously don't like EC as well...but we have it because people stood up and said they didn't like the original endings...and I'm glad they did.

My main point was that...the EC ending should not completely ruin the whole entire Mass Effect series and universe for someone...and if it did...then maybe said person wasn't that big of a fan to begin with.

I can see why some people would want to argue against my statement...but I honestly believe it to be valid.

Anecdotally, most of those who agree with me and don't like the ending (pre/post EC) are like me - people who have invested a lot of time and money in the series. Thus the disappointment is commensurate with all that time and money. So, I'm not sure where you're deriving your measure of "wasn't that big of a fan". It seems like it's just because they don't share your perspective. Investing a lot of time and money in something entertaining is a universally accepted measure of being a big fan of something.  

I guess my measurement is about how many "perceived flaws" one can overlook and still love something.

If the ending...the "perceived flaw" in question...is enough to completely "destroy" and ruin the entire mass effect series and universe...despite all the amount of time and money invested in it...then maybe you just weren't that "big of a fan" to begin with.

I'm not saying that these people were never fans. I'm just saying that when it came down to it...they just weren't that "big of fans".

Modifié par CDR David Shepard, 20 novembre 2012 - 07:56 .

[dorktainian]

Seival wrote...

dasGleamer, you are whining...

...Maybe this picture will help you to change your mind:

you forgot to mention that actually the colour choices at the end do not reflect paragon renegde but exactly the opposite....therefore red is the correct choice and blue/green pickers just doomed us all to kingdom come.

hope your happy now.

[Iakus]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

I definitely understand your points and your reasoning...and they are valid.

Granted, most people obviously don't like EC as well...but we have it because people stood up and said they didn't like the original endings...and I'm glad they did.

See my post a couple of pages back on why EC didn't help much

My main point was that...the EC ending should not completely ruin the whole entire Mass Effect series and universe for someone...and if it did...then maybe said person wasn't that big of a fan to begin with.

I can see why some people would want to argue against my statement...but I honestly believe it to be valid.

A lot of people didn't appreciate the ending telling them everything they fought for was a lie.