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[Mylia Stenetch]

LeVaughnX wrote...
If you played them starting at Mass Effect 1, enjoyed them all - and played to the very end without making Religious suggestions, Gay/Bi suggestions, or generally didn't try to change the game for the worse - then you aren't as bad as the supporters of the ending but the fact that you accept the ending still makes you a poor fan. Not a bad fan, but a poor fan since you're basically accepting the fact that one person can't change the world - when in realtiy you are the catalyst to change. Without people complaining and pushing the issue - it cannot be heard - if it isn't heard then no one cares. Sometimes they don't care anyway, but regardless of that - its better to not accept something that is a slap in the face than to accept it. 

Wow, you know me so well. I am a poor fan cause I accepted something. For me it was not a bitter pill to swallow like others. I made my opinion of the game towards my friends, Bioware, and on the forums. About how I felt about it what could of been changed and what it was. Was I frothing a the mouth like some? No. Was I gushing over everything and defending Bioware thoughout? No. I put my opinions on what it was, out there and moved on. I accepted that the once they said it was done, it was done. Since I hear it from the company I work for with their customers all the time.

I like to think I am an educated fan that learned some you need to pick your battles and make sure your voice is hear through critisim not, bashing either side for something they do not agree with. Of course though this is the internet and everything is serious buisness.

[Robhuzz]

Maxster_ wrote...

Robhuzz wrote...

It is irrelevant, how much "effort" they put in EC, if they failed. And they failed, and actually there was no effort in EC.
Garbage like "evacuation scene" just made everything ever more idiotic.
EC fixes completely nothing, just adds more nonsense, to already nonsensical fairytale.

So no, they failed, with DA2, SWTOR and ME3 - and they fully deserve what they getting as the result.

Thank you! I've been trying to make this point for a while now. From the EC it becomes clear that bioware didn't think the ending through at all in the first place. The holes that are left in the story after the original nonsense ending are filled up with nothing but more nonsense. Some of it (lol at evacuation scene) just adds a few more plot holes even. Definitive proof that bioware had no idea how to finish up the story in the first place and it was as much a result of incompetent writers as lack of time.

How is the EC an improvement I wonder? I will never understand....

ME3 story is completely broken from the start of the development process.
It completely nullifies it's prequels.
So, reapers just sit in dark space, for thousand of years of Sovereign machinations, - when they could just flew into a galaxy in 0.5-3 years, losing completely nothing in the process? What was the point of Mass Effect 1?? What was the point of Mass Effect 2?
Why such retarded creatures even came up with such a sophisticated plan like Citadel trap? Why they even need it at all, if they could just fly into a galaxy, losing nothing, and then just stomp everyone without losses?

And for "plot" of ME3 - to shoehorn Catalyst's nonsense, which existence utterly destroys everything that left of overarching series plot after first point(about reapers sitting in dark space for lulz) - they needed some unknown device with unknown function.
So, someone designed a device with unknown function, which should interface with another unknown device, with unknown interface, unknown function, unknown location, and unconfirmed existence, and even need of it.
Really?
Crucible is absurd and nonsense, which completely destroys ME3 "plot".
So we have destroyed overarching plot, and destroyed ME3 plot.
And then there is Cerberus Empire, which contradicts common sense.

Of course, EC couldn't have fixed that, but it is still utter crap and failure. You do not fix a plothole(teleporting crew) with even bigger plothole(teleporting Normandy).
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So, if you are saying, that ME3 story problems lies only in endings, you are very wrong, comrade.

Mass Effect 3's story problems pretty much start before the 'Previously on Mass Effect' screen even begins, with Hackett mobilizing the fleets to defend against a Reaper invasion when in Arrival he stated the alliance wasn't remotely ready for them. That's what you get when you sacrifice a proper story for 'action!' and 'more explosions!'

I agree the entire main plot of this game is simply ridiculous, as if they just had to put together...something... on a short notice. The crucible (mcguffin), catalyst (deus ex machina), Reapers being demoted to moronic slaves, Cerberus being turned into the sith empire. The entire game is full of plot holes and inconsistencies, (Legion: "The Reapers offered to give the Heretics a future, Geth will create their own future"... yeah we noticed that) and downright poor writing. But I was able to look past that because I'm not usually one to pick over every flaw in a game. I am usually able to focus on the good points and ignore the bad. Hell, I even enjoyed DA2 for the most part. 
I would've been able to ignore all of ME3's flaws, including the story. Even the journal, the boring fetch quests, most companions being shafted, hardly any rpg elements, auto diaogue, crappy console port, mandatory multiplayer for the 'best' ending... the list goes on... if not for that ending. I just have no proper words to express the incredible fail of that ending.

[Seboist]

ME2's intro is what destroyed the trilogy. Once you start killing the protagonist within the first few minutes of a story for plot contrived idiocy the only way is down.

[Kel Riever]

Hey, I get a lot of entertainment from these forums. From pro and ending haters. And, sadly, you aren't just supposed to post an image without a point. Because some of the images I've seen are really funny.

And damn, I wish I could see glowing eye shepard and glowing eye boy after Synthesis. There's no reason, none, that if the Catalyst was as powerful as it was, that it would need to obliterate you in a beam to install a motherboard in all biological life, while sliding a slice of beef into all synthetic life. I mean, really, if we are going to go THAT FAR, then there's really no reason that Space Magic can't actually solve the sacrifice as well.

Unless someone wants to tell me it is the sadness of the loss of Shepard which makes Synthesis work. Now, that'd be an interesting, albeit obtuse, interpretation....

[LeVaughnX]

Seival wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

Seival wrote...

dasGleamer, you are whining...

...Maybe this picture will help you to change your mind:

Hi Mr or Mrs Reaper, can I get a side of Indoctrination with your theory?

There is no indoctrination. The is only the ending.

I'm Commander Shepard, Alliance Drag Queen.

[Tootles FTW]

Yate wrote...

if you claim the right to complain

we have the right to complain about your complaining

Dear gawd, you're complaining about people complaining you're complaining,  It's like a whine-paradox. 

These forums are for Mass Effect 3 discussion, not just positive Mass Effect 3 discussion.  I understand you being tired of these threads, but what is it accomplishing by b!tching about it here?  If anything, you're serving to bump the topic.  

Why not make a seperate topic about complaining about complaining?  Probably because that's just as redundant as Ending threads.

[Seival]

LeVaughnX wrote...

I'm Commander Shepard, Alliance Drag Queen.

[Almostfaceman]

CDR David Shepard wrote...

I guess my measurement is about how many "perceived flaws" one can overlook and still love something.

If the ending...the "perceived flaw" in question...is enough to completely "destroy" and ruin the entire mass effect series and universe...despite all the amount of time and money invested in it...then maybe you just weren't that big of a fan.

I'm not saying that these people were never fans. I'm just saying that when it came down to it...they just weren't that "big of fans".

Something to think about. I'd suggest you take more into account the location of that last perceived flaw and how it does or does not tie the entire story and character choices all together. I submit it places its "flaw level" way above something like the silly inventory system of ME1 or the journal system of ME3 or the lack of cool stuff to buy in ME2 (to cite a few examples).  You can also throw into the mix the expectations based on promises by the developers. So, in my case, I went into ME3 thinking that all the choices I made in the previous two games could possibly result in dramaticly different arcs throughout ME3. Like, if I failed to save the queen in ME1, it could result in the death of *plug in race here* because I didn't have that extra firepower in the Reaper conflict. Or, if I killed off the Counsel in ME1, it resulted in the loss of Turian support altogether in ME3, resulting in devastating consequences for the Turian race, Garrus consequences, and of course possibly losing *place race here* in the final conflict with the Reapers.  These are just examples of what I consider big differences based on choices. I built up expectations based on being a big fan, and Bioware let me down. 

One wonders where the responsibility of the developer to produce a quality product falls into your measurements. 

Modifié par Almostfaceman, 20 novembre 2012 - 08:11 .

[LeVaughnX]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...
If you played them starting at Mass Effect 1, enjoyed them all - and played to the very end without making Religious suggestions, Gay/Bi suggestions, or generally didn't try to change the game for the worse - then you aren't as bad as the supporters of the ending but the fact that you accept the ending still makes you a poor fan. Not a bad fan, but a poor fan since you're basically accepting the fact that one person can't change the world - when in realtiy you are the catalyst to change. Without people complaining and pushing the issue - it cannot be heard - if it isn't heard then no one cares. Sometimes they don't care anyway, but regardless of that - its better to not accept something that is a slap in the face than to accept it. 

Wow, you know me so well. I am a poor fan cause I accepted something. For me it was not a bitter pill to swallow like others. I made my opinion of the game towards my friends, Bioware, and on the forums. About how I felt about it what could of been changed and what it was. Was I frothing a the mouth like some? No. Was I gushing over everything and defending Bioware thoughout? No. I put my opinions on what it was, out there and moved on. I accepted that the once they said it was done, it was done. Since I hear it from the company I work for with their customers all the time.

I like to think I am an educated fan that learned some you need to pick your battles and make sure your voice is hear through critisim not, bashing either side for something they do not agree with. Of course though this is the internet and everything is serious buisness.

First - I'm not going to kiss your ass which is kind of what you seemed to have wanted. How do I know that? Because you're complaining over me saying you are a "poor fan" not a "bad one". I didn't insult or **** with you - but now I guess I will a little since you're acting like little priss pants about me not insulting you and letting you in the group of people to be insulted.

Second - Good for you, you've stated your opinion once and it vanished into a sea not fully searchable by mankind. I'm not saying you have to shove your **** down someones throat, but honestly if you want to give up easily after admiting it was a bitter pill to swallow - then you might as well just bend over and say ""Alright EAware, my starfish demands attention"". I'm not trying to insult you here - but it's a matter of "honor" kind of. Bioware has to "honor" their side of the agreement, and they aren't. They turned at the last second and ****ed everyone which is not only rude but disgusting - and they have to be aware of that / reminded of that until they make at least a public statement saying ""We don't care"" flat out or ""We do care and will make this right"" flat out. We just want closure.

Third - I bash people who are trying to be half wits. I bash people who try to change things who have no say in the matter. But most importantly I bash people who really bash others or ruin something for others first. If they don't act like jerks in the beginning, I'll not bash them. I'll pick my arguments and say what needs to be said based on the situation and the people involved. I rarely in fact bash anyone unless they are ****s, seems to me that most of the supporters are Bio-Drones (the word without the - is banned here apparently) who try to screw with good / long time fans of the series (which many fans actually left during ME2 - and even more bailed during ME3).

[LeVaughnX]

Seival wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

I'm Commander Shepard, Alliance Drag Queen.

I just wanted to bang you. I'll come by when you're feeling better. We'll bang okay?

[GimmeDaGun]

 HEUREKA!
I found the right "soundtrack" for this thread! It's a perfect fit, don't you think? Lets stop for a moment and enjoy it, both parties! 

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 20 novembre 2012 - 08:14 .

[SpamBot2000]

I don't believe the endings were anything but a 'screw you', inflicted on us by a sad, tired individual who just wanted to bury Mass Effect. But if you happen to accept BW's explanation of the endings, consider this: Casey Hudson stated he wanted the endings to be 'polarizing'. That would mean he very deliberately crafted an ending designed to be hated by an unspecified segment of the people who in many cases had invested not only their money but their very personal identification in this story over a number of years, all the while explicitly encouraged by BioWare to do so. And why did he do this? He says he didn't want the ending to be 'unmemorable'. Translation: Casey Hudson decided Casey Hudson being remembered as an edgy, daring kinda guy is way, way more important than the investment made by us in this franchise.

Now this may strike some of you Art Lovers as positively reactionary, but given the nature of the medium, wouldn't the decent thing to do have been to try to make an ending that would satisfy as many of the personally invested participants as possible? This is what Casey Hudson says he outright rejected, in the greater interest of the Myth of Casey Hudson.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 20 novembre 2012 - 08:27 .

[Seival]

LeVaughnX wrote...

Seival wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

I'm Commander Shepard, Alliance Drag Queen.

I just wanted to bang you. I'll come by when you're feeling better. We'll bang okay?

No, thanks

[LeVaughnX]

Seival wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

Seival wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...

I'm Commander Shepard, Alliance Drag Queen.

I just wanted to bang you. I'll come by when you're feeling better. We'll bang okay?

No, thanks

Am I your dirty little secret?

[Conniving_Eagle]

dasGleamer wrote...

8 months later and i still can't look at any of the games without a feeling of being let down.  destroyed a masterpiece with these shenanigans.

hope it feels good to sell out bioware...i can only hope future sales reflect the disrespect towards fans

Play the Black Ops and Black Ops 2 Story Modes. You won't be disappointed. And your choices matter in the second.

[LeVaughnX]

Now what really get's me about the ending is this.

Casey Hudson flat out said on an interview before Mass Effect 3's release that ""The ending will not be an A,B,C, pick and choose ending."" Yet that is exactly what it is. That right there is one reason I will never stop pushing the issue and one reason why EAware has to make this right. As well as one big reason why I put down the supporters of the endings, because they get fed lies, they accepted the lies, love the lies, and relish in it. Total **** if you ask me.

[Dr_Extrem]

Yate wrote...

Dr_Extrem wrote...

MattFini wrote...

Playing through ME3 for a third time right now, so I can get fully into Omega next week.

While there's a lot about ME3 I don't like before the ending, I can honestly overlook it: the flat opening, the nonsensical Cerberus coup, severe lack of Jack and Miranda, etc...

The overall game is still fun, combat is smooth and some of the character moments are absolutely stellar.

But that ending ... it just hangs over the whole experience. And not just the fact that the Catalyst is silly and poorly written, but that the entire Priority: Earth mission is terrible. Couple that with the passive and anticlimactic way in which Shepard achieves "victory", and you've got an ending that just fails on every possible level.

But ... it's a testament to how good the series is. Because I still love Mass Effect on the whole, and hope this is just a setback.

hope ... you have it.

i agree with your statements. 

higher difficulties, should come with some kind of resistences to powers though. i normally play on hardcore - my personal smooth speed thoughout me1 and 2. in me3, hardcore is just ae-mezz and bomb.


the endings are equally disgusting and my paragon shepards could not choose any of the endings.

he/she would not put herself on top of all (he/she is not a hegemon - he/she is "pro self responsibility")
he/she would not sacrifice the geth (ashs conversation in me1 about council races, dogs and bears)
he/she would not amalgamate all life and uplift society (she knows what happened to the krogan - cultural shock)
he/she would not stand aside and do nothing at all

If you think Shepard would not sacrifice the geth to stop the Reapers, congratulations, you missed the entire point of the series.

You want a perfect happy ending where everyone lives. I say that is stupid. Go play Animal Crossing.

what i want, is not of your concern.

well you missed the point - my shepard. even my shepard would kill the geth before doing nothing - but still, he/she would not do it carelessly. my shepard believed in equal rights for every living species.


you should really stop calling opinions and people stupid - someone could think, that you do not know how stupid that is.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Grasping at straws, Yate?

Seival, I have to ask... Control... or Synthesis?

I mean which one do you prefer, it's just so hard to choose between those two.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 20 novembre 2012 - 08:39 .

[Tootles FTW]

@LeVaughnX - this is really where a lot of the fan umbrage comes from, I think.  I don't think I've seen one solid answer addressing the contradiction of these statements versus the finished project since the game's release.  And let's not forget Mac Walters and his "Obviously it's set in the future so you have to make some leaps of faith but we didn't want it to be just magic in space" quote, and Hudson's "You won't just find some long-lost Reaper “off” button".
While I don't agree with stuff like the one fan trying to file a lawsuit against Bioware for false advertising, at best these quotes are disingenuous & misinformed.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Arcian wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Grasping at straws, Yate?

Seival, I have to ask... Control... or Synthesis?

I mean which one do you prefer, it's just so hard to choose between those two.

Seival prefers the IT.

The Insane Theory.

Weren't you the retro guy with sunglasses 5 minutes ago?

[AlanC9]

LeVaughnX wrote...
..... but the fact that you accept the ending still makes you a poor fan. Not a bad fan, but a poor fan since you're basically accepting the fact that one person can't change the world - when in realtiy you are the catalyst to change. 

Wait... you seem to be saying that Shepard should be able to shape the universe however he pleases. Because he's the hero?

[LeVaughnX]

AlanC9 wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...
..... but the fact that you accept the ending still makes you a poor fan. Not a bad fan, but a poor fan since you're basically accepting the fact that one person can't change the world - when in realtiy you are the catalyst to change. 

Wait... you seem to be saying that Shepard should be able to shape the universe however he pleases. Because he's the hero?

Now Alan I know reading is a difficult thing for you, but try and re-read what I was getting at there.

Didn't catch on?

I was talking about the PERSON not Shepard. I was talking about US talking / complaining, nothing to do with Shepard in that statement.

[Conniving_Eagle]

AlanC9 wrote...

LeVaughnX wrote...
..... but the fact that you accept the ending still makes you a poor fan. Not a bad fan, but a poor fan since you're basically accepting the fact that one person can't change the world - when in realtiy you are the catalyst to change. 

Wait... you seem to be saying that Shepard should be able to shape the universe however he pleases. Because he's the hero?

I don't see why not. The universe is already being shaped by a cheap and contrived plot-device. Anything is possible when you have space magic.

[Seival]

Arcian wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Grasping at straws, Yate?

Seival, I have to ask... Control... or Synthesis?

I mean which one do you prefer, it's just so hard to choose between those two.

Seival prefers the IT.

The Insane Theory.

IT = Insane Theory... That's quite precise

...My favorite ending is Control, but I also think that Synthesis is inevitable. Controlled-Synthesis is the inevitable major step that my Catalyst-Shepard will perform eventually.