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[dorktainian]

for those wondering why the ending fails... you have to take the whole story and it's structure... then try and understand what they were actually thinking....

Story Structure.

Stasis
Trigger
The quest
Surprise
Critical choice
Climax
Reversal
Resolution

err...

[drayfish]

Seival wrote...

Liamv2 wrote...

God this thread is still alive

Frequent whining can be considered as a spam. So, let's hope BioWare will make whining prohibited on BSN eventually. This will reduce number of such useless threads greatly.

Much better to spam the forums with totalitarian hate speech.

Got it.

Thanks Seival.

[dorktainian]

Seival. would you like some cheeze with your whine?

[Discouraged_one]

I agree OP. Do you know how many times I have wanted to pick up ME1 and play from start to finish to ME3, mixing it up and seeing all the different outcomes? But then that STUPID starchild somehow seems to melt my brain with incomprehensible logic that ultimatly, makes me play something else.

[Ithurael]

Discouraged_one wrote...

I agree OP. Do you know how many times I have wanted to pick up ME1 and play from start to finish to ME3, mixing it up and seeing all the different outcomes? But then that STUPID starchild somehow seems to melt my brain with incomprehensible logic that ultimatly, makes me play something else.

I don't think it is the ridiculous logic of starkid. It is no matter what you do, no matter how high you get your war assets (which are the RESULTS of your choices) you will inevitable be left with:
Red
Green
Blue

And then you get a nice cutscene, an epilogue showing how you choices impacted the galaxy via slides, and a funeral. Then, maybe, a breath scene that makes no sense.

U gather the entire galaxy, save the council, destroy the base, cure the krogan, make peace between geth/quarian, etc
RGB

You gather the galaxy, kill the council, save the base, sabotage the krogan, keep the geth, save the scienetists, recruit leviathans, save Omega?

RGB

You gather most of the galaxy, kill the council, destroy/Save the base, sabotage the krogan, keep the quarians, etc

R/B?

Basically it goes: "You wanna take earth back and defeat the reapers? Pick a color" on every gameplay.

Modifié par Ithurael, 21 novembre 2012 - 01:07 .

[galland]

CSunkyst wrote...

ElSuperGecko wrote...

This one humbly disagrees with the topic creator's expressed opinion. This one finds the ending to Mass Effect 3 a fitting and effective finale to an outstanding series.

this one thinks that one is stupid.

this one agrees with that one who thinks the other one is stupid.

[Arxduke]

Yep.

Commander Shepard, Kaidan Alenko, Liara T'Soni, Garrus
Vakarian, Ashley Williams, Jack, Thane, Samara, Miranda Lawson, Kasumi
Goto, EDI, Grunt, Urdnot Wrex, Tali Zorah vas Normandy, Jacob Taylor,
Mordin Solus, Samantha Traynor, James Vega, Steve Cortez, Kelly
Chambers, Legion, Morinth, Aria T'Loak, Admiral Hackett, Major Coats,
Zaeed, David Anderson, and even frickin Allers deserved better than what
they got.

However, BW sometime somehwere decided that they all
should be left to burn on the backburner and unfortunately, Shepard got
the worst of it.

Modifié par Arxduke, 21 novembre 2012 - 02:59 .

[DirtyPhoenix]

GT Zazzerka wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

BringBackNihlus wrote...

You NEED to get over, you big baby.

NEEO!

NEEO? I Googled it, but it turns out that Neeo is a Czech porn-star, which probably isn't what you were referring to.

Hahaha xD

[Kildin_of_the_Volus]

I read the 'NEEO' in Eric Cartman's voice, and it was awesome. Being confused with a Czech porn star is just more awesome and hilarious.

[aj2070]

I actually just started a new playthrough in preparation for Omega. Months later, the opening is still outstanding. I do not look forward to the end.

[darthoptimus003]

and that is still the biggest problem alot of people still have
tne ending
what is the point of the series if we cant see shep live and be reunited with li/freinds etc?
there isnt one
the war assests dont mean nothing it all ends the same way
oh yeah the breath scene what big cop out that is
none of what we did maters at all
then they told us to imagine tthe end we want sorry i didnt pay to use my imagination
i paid bw to entertain me and i was for 2 1/2 games but the ending is what killed the enjoyment and replayablity of all three games and i sure as hell didnt spend $300+ {+dlcs} on this series just to get a fancy color coded game over
bw yall use to be great now yall are a joke what yall did is nothing short of straight up theft, and everything that was said before relese was nothing but lies and the way i see it the ec was just a quick fix to keep yall from getting sued now with that being said i dont condone the treaths of employees or ****** crap like that but imho a complaint to the ftc is warrented because this is now a mater of did we get what we paid for when the game came out i say NO
yall had and still have a chance to fix this and alot of people are willing to pay for it
do the right damn thing by your customers and fix the damn ending
im not saying change the ending just add to the ending that people are calling for a {happy nongenical ending that should be there u know with reunion and all}
its been 8 months and people are still pissed off
this right here should speak volumes on how bad yall messed up
sorry for the long rant but it still pisses me off

[Persephone]

Maxster_ wrote...


So, to save 2 expendable squadmates, one of which is EDI(mobile platform), Shepard ordered Normandy(which is actually EDI) to endanger itself and over 100 crew, to save mobile platform.
And that's an order. A moral one.

If you want to be THAT nitpicky, the entire suicide mission was herp derp. Lots of things in the ENTIRE trilogy (Including several rescue runs of the Normandy) could be dissected like that. But oooooooh, one is always harder on games one hates for one reason or another and flaws just as aggravating get a pass in ME2 and ME1. (ME1 especially)

[Archonsg]

ME1 and 2 were flawed, no doubt, but they both *REWARDED* the player for his or her efforts for *playing a damn game*

It's that simple.
You play a game.
And if it's a single player game, the idea is that you win and be rewarded at a personal level.

ME1 and 2 did this, especially ME2, which is why many forgave and were willing to overlook the human Reapers / terminator larvae thing.

ME3 shat on a plate, served it up and than told you to like it. 

You didn't "win".
You surrendered, then picked a suicide of choice. And in doing so, betray at least one core character value that up to that point you had kept true to.

Modifié par Archonsg, 21 novembre 2012 - 05:12 .

[Kawamura]

Archonsg wrote...

ME1 and 2 were flawed, no doubt, but they both *REWARDED* the player for his or her efforts for *playing a damn game*

It's that simple.
You play a game.
And if it's a single player game, the idea is that you win and be rewarded at a personal level.

ME1 and 2 did this, especially ME2, which is why many forgave and were willing to overlook the human Reapers / terminator larvae thing.

ME3 shat on a plate, served it up and than told you to like it. 

You didn't "win".
You surrendered, then picked a suicide of choice. And in doing so, betray at least one core character value that up to that point you had kept true to.

I don't really mind the lack of winning, though I do believe that, in a game billed on choices, we really should have the choice to choose much of our ending's tone. Maybe not all of it, because that would be impossible, but a few general ratios between "bitter" and "sweet". 

It's more the betrayal of that value you and the series have held. They do add a little of it back in the EC with the Refusal "ending" (and I refuse to believe that's anything other than a "screw you, fans" since I don't believe it counts as an ending for the achievement sections), but at the end of the day, you have a story about the celebration of diversity and what things we can accomplish when we decide to put aside our differences and come together and that story ends with the "happy" ending of erasing all of that diversity because working through problems that arise from diverse populations interacting isjust impossible. 

That's a really weird ending. And, as an LGBT person and a person of colour, it's a really uncomfortable ending. I don't want to participate in a story that ends with "differences are too difficult so let's just get rid of them". 

[TMPAL]

I hate what has been done to this game series as well...I can go on with minor plot holes but my sweet baby Jebus how can you end a series so badly and only in really the last 10 minutes!

Edit:  Just imagine the resale of the triliogy and the money they could make if they had an ending that was not complete garbage heck I would even buy the trilogy again on a platforum - currently played all three on PC

Modifié par TMPAL, 21 novembre 2012 - 05:21 .

[Persephone]

Archonsg wrote...

ME1 and 2 were flawed, no doubt, but they both *REWARDED* the player for his or her efforts for *playing a damn game*

Well, the ME series was never the series I'd play for gamer pandering. I don't care about "rewards" ala sappy endings and what not.

This is what it REALLY boils down to.

[Kawamura]

Persephone wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

ME1 and 2 were flawed, no doubt, but they both *REWARDED* the player for his or her efforts for *playing a damn game*

Well, the ME series was never the series I'd play for gamer pandering. I don't care about "rewards" ala sappy endings and what not.

This is what it REALLY boils down to.

Rewards =/= sappy endings. 

That's probably a straw man of all complaints about people unhappy with the endings.

Modifié par Kawamura, 21 novembre 2012 - 05:26 .

[Nerevar-as]

Persephone wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


So, to save 2 expendable squadmates, one of which is EDI(mobile platform), Shepard ordered Normandy(which is actually EDI) to endanger itself and over 100 crew, to save mobile platform.
And that's an order. A moral one.

If you want to be THAT nitpicky, the entire suicide mission was herp derp. Lots of things in the ENTIRE trilogy (Including several rescue runs of the Normandy) could be dissected like that. But oooooooh, one is always harder on games one hates for one reason or another and flaws just as aggravating get a pass in ME2 and ME1. (ME1 especially)

The only thing that got close to that level of stupidity in ME1 (and there were things, especially concerning the evidence against Saren) was going on sidequests after hijacking the Normandy. Should have been a special game over for that. But it was your choice, not something forced.

[Persephone]

Kawamura wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Archonsg wrote...

ME1 and 2 were flawed, no doubt, but they both *REWARDED* the player for his or her efforts for *playing a damn game*

Well, the ME series was never the series I'd play for gamer pandering. I don't care about "rewards" ala sappy endings and what not.

This is what it REALLY boils down to.

Rewards =/= sappy endings. 

That's probably a straw man of all complaints about people unhappy with the endings.

No. I was unhappy with the pre EC endings. VERY unhappy.

I guess it really is about individual taste. No game has put my emotions through the wringer like ME3 did. I sobbed my heart out serveral times. And I loved it.

And choosing Renegade Control and seeing that ending, everything came together at last. I loved it, yup.

[Kawamura]

Persephone wrote...

No. I was unhappy with the pre EC endings. VERY unhappy.

I guess it really is about individual taste. No game has put my emotions through the wringer like ME3 did. I sobbed my heart out serveral times. And I loved it.

And choosing Renegade Control and seeing that ending, everything came together at last. I loved it, yup.

It is a matter of taste, not "those people that don't like it just don't get it, man, they want their sappy LI endings and that's just pandering". 

See how that's problematic?

[Persephone]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


So, to save 2 expendable squadmates, one of which is EDI(mobile platform), Shepard ordered Normandy(which is actually EDI) to endanger itself and over 100 crew, to save mobile platform.
And that's an order. A moral one.

If you want to be THAT nitpicky, the entire suicide mission was herp derp. Lots of things in the ENTIRE trilogy (Including several rescue runs of the Normandy) could be dissected like that. But oooooooh, one is always harder on games one hates for one reason or another and flaws just as aggravating get a pass in ME2 and ME1. (ME1 especially)

The only thing that got close to that level of stupidity in ME1 (and there were things, especially concerning the evidence against Saren) was going on sidequests after hijacking the Normandy. Should have been a special game over for that. But it was your choice, not something forced.

Let's see....


The Ending Choices. The Destiny Ascension is worth thousands of lives just because it has a bunch of incompetent idiots on board? (Don't even get me started on how those politicians ought to have stepped down. Only they reappear for "Reapers? LULZ!" in ME2!) 

The Conduit. If I were to be nitpicky, I'd be all "Chasing for something without even knowing it exists or what it does because it will solve everything?" Hmmmmmm, sound familiar?

I could tear all three games to bloody shreds like that. Easily.

[Maxster_]

Persephone wrote...

Maxster_ wrote...


So, to save 2 expendable squadmates, one of which is EDI(mobile platform), Shepard ordered Normandy(which is actually EDI) to endanger itself and over 100 crew, to save mobile platform.
And that's an order. A moral one.

If you want to be THAT nitpicky, the entire suicide mission was herp derp. Lots of things in the ENTIRE trilogy (Including several rescue runs of the Normandy) could be dissected like that. But oooooooh, one is always harder on games one hates for one reason or another and flaws just as aggravating get a pass in ME2 and ME1. (ME1 especially)

Of course. ME2 was far worse than ME1 in conxtext of main plot. And ME3 outdone even that by orders of magnitude.
But you are just trying to bash prequels, to defend ME3 garbage z-movie grade storytelling.

And as for "nitpicking" - you are just trying to defend undefenable. "Evacuation scene" is nonsensical garbage even without EDI, with EDI it is so bad that it is actually funny.
So, we have Telepoting Normandy plothole, Shepard made retarded again(no sane person would give such order), Joker ignoring chain of command, Harbringer made even more retarded.
Entire priority:earth is unneeded, anyone who would propose such an retarded battle "plan" would be immediately shot, as reaper pawn. But that was before the EC, so EC haven't added to this nonsense.

Real nitpicking would be talking about flying mako, which bigger than any other mako, and actually couldn't fly at such angle being shot by Harbringer.
And pointing at such major flaws, as EAWare forgetting EDI is a Normandy - is not a nitpicking.

[Persephone]

Kawamura wrote...

Persephone wrote...

No. I was unhappy with the pre EC endings. VERY unhappy.

I guess it really is about individual taste. No game has put my emotions through the wringer like ME3 did. I sobbed my heart out serveral times. And I loved it.

And choosing Renegade Control and seeing that ending, everything came together at last. I loved it, yup.

It is a matter of taste, not "those people that don't like it just don't get it, man, they want their sappy LI endings and that's just pandering". 

See how that's problematic?

I would have agreed prior to the MEHEM and its reception. Now I'm more cynical.

[Archonsg]

And is it too much to ask for a Dragon Age : Origins style ending where you ARE given the full range of "winning" endings from yes, sappy we saved everyone to naive I sacrifice myself so to remain true to my ideals to my own canon "marry the queen, kept Leliana as my mistress, convinced Longain to do "the deed" with Morrigan, and oh yes, chop off Alistair's head and become ruler if not in name, in fact, of Fereldan?

Its not a "nice" all sunshine ending, but it was *mine*

ME3 took all my control out of my hands, and made me choose choices I would not have.
It was written with the intent to kill Shepard. This was an admitted fact. They only put in the "breath scene", a tack on, because they belatedly realised that they went too far with the depresive ends.