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[JPN17]

What could have been. I think that when looking at both ME and Kotor. Though with Kotor, it could still be made right if they throw out the TOR canon and release Kotor 3. However with how far Bioware has fallen in the video game world, I'm not sure I'd actually want them to do that anymore.

[Fnork]

I'm over it alright, but it's still entertaining to think about now and then. I hope ME4 just ignores the ludicrous ME3 endings, I'm afraid it'll be tarnished before it hits the shelves if it doesn't.

[Fixers0]

wholeheartedly agree OP.

[Massa FX]

Yes a lot of us hated those last 10 min of the game. ... and loved everything else about the trilogy.

Bad ending does not equal bad trilogy, IMO.

So... you know. Be mad. Be sad. And then start a new ME1 game and remember why you loved Mass Effect to begin with.

[darthoptimus003]

Massa FX wrote...

Yes a lot of us hated those last 10 min of the game. ... and loved everything else about the trilogy.

Bad ending does not equal bad trilogy, IMO.

So... you know. Be mad. Be sad. And then start a new ME1 game and remember why you loved Mass Effect to begin with.

hard to do when those last min of a riology negate everything that came before

[Fur28]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Yes a lot of us hated those last 10 min of the game. ... and loved everything else about the trilogy.

Bad ending does not equal bad trilogy, IMO.

So... you know. Be mad. Be sad. And then start a new ME1 game and remember why you loved Mass Effect to begin with.

hard to do when those last min of a riology negate everything that came before

That´s exactly what i hate the most about the ending, it took all replayability, atleast for me, said that before someone comes saying "well it didn´t do that for me"

[Keldon Northwind]

Replayability for the entire series is dead. What does choice matter when it's all flushed down the toilet in the end of ME3? But what do we know. It's "art"....

[Yate]

OK, new rule:

if you think the ending ruined the franchise, GTFO of these forums.

We don't want to hear your whining. Go back to MySpace and post your emo crap there.

Nobody's going to miss you.

[Yate]

WAH WAH WAH

I DIDN'T LIKE A PLOT POINT SO THE ENTIRE FRANCHISE SUCKS NOW

BIOWARE SHOULD CAVE TO MY WHIMS

grow the hell up - you lot are disgusting

[Dean_the_Young]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Yes a lot of us hated those last 10 min of the game. ... and loved everything else about the trilogy.

Bad ending does not equal bad trilogy, IMO.

So... you know. Be mad. Be sad. And then start a new ME1 game and remember why you loved Mass Effect to begin with.

hard to do when those last min of a riology negate everything that came before

How?

[spirosz]

Yate wrote...

OK, new rule:

if you think the ending ruined the franchise, GTFO of these forums.

We don't want to hear your whining. Go back to MySpace and post your emo crap there.

Nobody's going to miss you.

[Yate]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Yes a lot of us hated those last 10 min of the game. ... and loved everything else about the trilogy.

Bad ending does not equal bad trilogy, IMO.

So... you know. Be mad. Be sad. And then start a new ME1 game and remember why you loved Mass Effect to begin with.

hard to do when those last min of a riology negate everything that came before

How?

because he didn't get his HAPPY SUNSHINE AND RAINBOWS ending

which nobody at BioWare indicated they were making

but these losers expected it anyway because they are arrogant entitled morons who think BW is their slave.

[spirosz]

Yate, you do realize you're generalizing when you state that people that dislike the endings, only want a Disney ending, that's not the case, but hey, keep at it.

[Vigilant111]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Yes a lot of us hated those last 10 min of the game. ... and loved everything else about the trilogy.

Bad ending does not equal bad trilogy, IMO.

So... you know. Be mad. Be sad. And then start a new ME1 game and remember why you loved Mass Effect to begin with.

hard to do when those last min of a riology negate everything that came before

How?

Do I need to spell it out to you?

Because we were forced to solve the reapers' problem, accept their ideals, BW should have given people a chance to join the reapers a long time ago, and not lead them to believe the reapers are the bad guys until the last ten minutes

Modifié par Vigilant111, 22 novembre 2012 - 02:52 .

[guacamayus]

To me it was not the ending but most of the plot. Retcons and contradictions make it very hard to enjoy or even replay previous games, some examples;

ME1:
-why the need of a sentinel annalyzing organic life and opening the citadel relay if the "brain" of the reapers was already there, at the heart of galactic civilization?

ME2:
-the whole plot is rendered useless, according to their initial idea Harbinger was using the collectors to create a human reaper before the invasion because they've ran out of time to stop the dark energy problem. After ME3 the existance of the human reaper and the collectors makes no sense because there was no problem to fix other than AI vs Organics, which is not related in any way to the collectors or the human reaper. The human reaper plot is left as “Harbinger's side project” (Mac actually said this via twitter) and that is a real kick in the balls.

And even ME3:

-the whole charge to the conduit thing is pointess since apparently the normandy can get there without trouble. Why not pull an “Illos” again and throw a mako into the beam?

And these are just some examples, thereare many more.

So yeah, I'm a little pissed too because suddenly the writers forgot that the story has to make sense as a whole, you can't crap over the story of 2 games just like that and expect everyone to remain calm and understanding.

Modifié par guacamayus, 22 novembre 2012 - 02:52 .

[Yate]

spirosz wrote...

Yate, you do realize you're generalizing when you state that people that dislike the endings, only want a Disney ending, that's not the case, but hey, keep at it.

sort of

there are two kinds of people who don't like the endings

one camp is logical - they think the choices are a rip-off of Deus Ex, the Catalyst is bad storytelling, etc.

these guys are cool, they're entitled to their own opinion, and generally they accept the endings. They don't like them, but they accept them and move on.

The other camp is emotional - full of teenagers who somehow got it into their heads that ME should have a happy ultimate paragon ending, and who are too emotionally distraught to do anything but spew their hatred everywhere.

these guys and girls need to grow up and shut up. They don't listen to reason, they have ridiculous expectations of BioWare, claim to hate the franchise now but still hang around spreading their poison.

If you are still emotionally distraught over the endings, SEEK PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP.

[Yate]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Yes a lot of us hated those last 10 min of the game. ... and loved everything else about the trilogy.

Bad ending does not equal bad trilogy, IMO.

So... you know. Be mad. Be sad. And then start a new ME1 game and remember why you loved Mass Effect to begin with.

hard to do when those last min of a riology negate everything that came before

How?

Do I need to spell it out to you?

Because we were forced to solve the reapers' problem, accept their ideals, BW should have given people a chance to join the reapers a long time ago, and not lead them to believe the reapers are the bad guys until the last ten minutes

destroy or control

'accept their ideals'? What ideals? That synthesis is good? My Shepard rejected that notion and blew the reapers to little bits. How's that for solving their problem?

Bad guys? They are absolutely still the bad guys, have you forgot what all this was for?

[Vigilant111]

Yate wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Yate, you do realize you're generalizing when you state that people that dislike the endings, only want a Disney ending, that's not the case, but hey, keep at it.

sort of

there are two kinds of people who don't like the endings

one camp is logical - they think the choices are a rip-off of Deus Ex, the Catalyst is bad storytelling, etc.

these guys are cool, they're entitled to their own opinion, and generally they accept the endings. They don't like them, but they accept them and move on.

The other camp is emotional - full of teenagers who somehow got it into their heads that ME should have a happy ultimate paragon ending, and who are too emotionally distraught to do anything but spew their hatred everywhere.

these guys and girls need to grow up and shut up. They don't listen to reason, they have ridiculous expectations of BioWare, claim to hate the franchise now but still hang around spreading their poison.

If you are still emotionally distraught over the endings, SEEK PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP.

Take it down a notch will you, your post would only induce more unnecessary gibberish

[Yate]

guacamayus wrote...

To me it was not the ending but most of the plot. Retcons and contradictions make it very hard to enjoy or even replay previous games, some examples;

ME1:
-why the need of a sentinel annalyzing organic life and opening the citadel relay if the "brain" of the reapers was already there, at the heart of galactic civilization?

ME2:
-the whole plot is rendered useless, according to their initial idea Harbinger was using the collectors to create a human reaper before the invasion because they've ran out of time to stop the dark energy problem. After ME3 the existance of the human reaper and the collectors makes no sense because there was no problem to fix other than AI vs Organics, which is not related in any way to the collectors or the human reaper. The human reaper plot is left as “Harbinger's side project” (Mac actually said this via twitter) and that is a real kick in the balls.

And even ME3:

-the whole charge to the conduit thing is pointess since apparently the normandy can get there without trouble. Why not pull an “Illos” again and throw a mako into the beam?

And these are just some examples, thereare many more.

So yeah, I'm a little pissed too because suddenly the writers forgot that the story has to make sense as a whole, you can't crap over the story of 2 games just like that and expect everyone to remain calm and understanding.

1. Harbinger wanted the reapers to take out the Citadel first, because it's the centre of government and contains data on the populations.

2. I'm not sure what your problem is here. The plot of each of the games is stand-alone, ME2 did far more than spend time on the collectors, it revealed part of the reaper's goal and introduced Cerberus properly.

3. That beam is for lifting humans up, not for transporting ships. Normandy's pretty big you know.

[Yate]

And questions like "why didn't the reapers just fly in" have been present since ME1.

You lot are arguing from emotion, unwilling to face the truth - that you didn't get the ending you wanted, and that's not a total problem.

[Vigilant111]

Yate wrote...

Vigilant111 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Yes a lot of us hated those last 10 min of the game. ... and loved everything else about the trilogy.

Bad ending does not equal bad trilogy, IMO.

So... you know. Be mad. Be sad. And then start a new ME1 game and remember why you loved Mass Effect to begin with.

hard to do when those last min of a riology negate everything that came before

How?

Do I need to spell it out to you?

Because we were forced to solve the reapers' problem, accept their ideals, BW should have given people a chance to join the reapers a long time ago, and not lead them to believe the reapers are the bad guys until the last ten minutes

destroy or control

'accept their ideals'? What ideals? That synthesis is good? My Shepard rejected that notion and blew the reapers to little bits. How's that for solving their problem?

Bad guys? They are absolutely still the bad guys, have you forgot what all this was for?

You solve their problem by blowing up all the AIs that allegedly wipe all organics out

What ideals?! That organics and synthetics must be joined in order to settle conflicts, and that perfection can ONLY be achieved this way

Have I forgot?! I think YOU forgot the last ten minutes of the game where the Catalyst tells you it does not see torturing and murdering people as despicable but actually a way to bring salvation! It is trying to save you! How can someone who is desperately trying to preserve life be a bad guy?

[RebelTitan428]

Yate wrote...

OK, new rule:

if you think the ending ruined the franchise, GTFO of these forums.

We don't want to hear your whining. Go back to MySpace and post your emo crap there.

Nobody's going to miss you.

it boggles my mind that someone such as yourself can  make yourself sound so void of intelligence in such a few words.

you were the one that entered this topic of discussion, And as it appears simply to attack and insult those who do not think what you think, and want what you want.

i believe it is you who should go to myspace and talk about your feelings because i can assure you not one person on all of the Bioware forums cares what you have to say, nor will they care what you say after your poorly constructed argument.

[Nerevar-as]

Yate wrote...

And questions like "why didn't the reapers just fly in" have been present since ME1.

No, it wasn´t. Besides the obvious advantages of sucker-punching the goverment, it hinted the voyage wasn´t plausible even for Reapers. Then in the sequels it turned out it was a short stroll (from their POV), yet they waited centuries for Sovereign to open the relay.

As the evil overlord list says:

One of my proof-readers will be a 5 year old kid. Any plot holes s/he detects will be corrected.

[Gtacatalina]

RebelTitan428 wrote...

Yate wrote...

OK, new rule:

if you think the ending ruined the franchise, GTFO of these forums.

We don't want to hear your whining. Go back to MySpace and post your emo crap there.

Nobody's going to miss you.

it boggles my mind that someone such as yourself can  make yourself sound so void of intelligence in such a few words.

you were the one that entered this topic of discussion, And as it appears simply to attack and insult those who do not think what you think, and want what you want.

i believe it is you who should go to myspace and talk about your feelings because i can assure you not one person on all of the Bioware forums cares what you have to say, nor will they care what you say after your poorly constructed argument.

After Yate telling me to go kill myself because of my views on page 5 of this thread, I wouldn't take anything that nasty Yate says seriously.

[Dean_the_Young]

Vigilant111 wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

darthoptimus003 wrote...

Massa FX wrote...

Yes a lot of us hated those last 10 min of the game. ... and loved everything else about the trilogy.

Bad ending does not equal bad trilogy, IMO.

So... you know. Be mad. Be sad. And then start a new ME1 game and remember why you loved Mass Effect to begin with.

hard to do when those last min of a riology negate everything that came before

How?

Do I need to spell it out to you?

Because we were forced to solve the reapers' problem,

Two of the four endings don't solve the Reaper's problem.

accept their ideals,

You never have to accept their motivations or rational. You bring your own justification for any of the Crucible options.

BW should have given people a chance to join the reapers a long time ago, and not lead them to believe the reapers are the bad guys until the last ten minutes

The Reapers are still the bad guys even in the last ten minutes. The last ten minutes just offers you the explanation for their rational, a problem you don't even have to agree is a problem. It doesn't validate or pardon their cycle of genocide.